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davidmississauga | 1 Nov 2005 01:20
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Re: Ocean consists Oct. 29,30,31 2005

--- In Canadian-Passenger-Rail@..., "Lyman Holmes" 
<llholmes1948 <at> y...> wrote:
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> --- In Canadian-Passenger-Rail@..., Tom Box 
<tbox <at> g...> 
> wrote:
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> > When you break it down this way, the difference in the length
> > of Budd vs. Ren sets doesn't seem so surprising as when you
> > just say 10 vs. 18 cars.
> > 
> Thanks for your helpful analysis on these trainsets.  It would be 
> interesting to know just how much capacity on each set is unused.
> 
> Lyman Holmes
>

There has been one change in the two Ren. consists between my July 
and October trips: the removal of one coach.  On my July trip (round 
trip in Ren.) three of the eight sleepers were designated Easterly 
Class and they were well-occupied but not full.  As I said in an 
earlier posting, VIA Preference messed up my Easterly Class booking, 
but it was later corrected with no problem.  On my Halifax-Montreal 
Ren. trip of early October, the service manager said all sleeping 
accommodation was booked (four Comfort sleepers and four Easterly 
Class.)

David Brain,
Mississauga, Ont.
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Lyman Holmes | 1 Nov 2005 01:48
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Re: Ocean consists Oct. 29,30,31 2005

--- In Canadian-Passenger-Rail@..., "davidmississauga" 
<david.brain <at> s...> wrote:
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  On my Halifax-Montreal 
> Ren. trip of early October, the service manager said all sleeping 
> accommodation was booked (four Comfort sleepers and four Easterly 
> Class.)
> 
So if I understand the capacity of Ren sleepers correctly, these eight 
full sleepers would have carried a minimum of 80 passengers (assuming 
all bedrooms were occupied by only a single passenger) and a maximum of 
160 passengers (assuming all bedrooms were occupied by two passengers). 

Lyman Holmes 

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gburridge | 1 Nov 2005 03:31
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Re: Northern Spirit vs. Chateau (was Pavilion/Park car)


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>Thanks for your comments on the Hudson Bay.  From a passenger
>standpoint which are preferable, the Northern Spirit cars or the
>Chateau cars?
         If you want to be able to clearly make out what is on the other 
side of the room window, then on that basis the Northern Spirit cars, with 
their worn plastic windows,  are useless. At any time.

>Lyman Holmes

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davidmississauga | 1 Nov 2005 03:41
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Re: Ocean consists Oct. 29,30,31 2005

--- In Canadian-Passenger-Rail@..., "Lyman Holmes" 
<llholmes1948 <at> y...> wrote:
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> > 
> So if I understand the capacity of Ren sleepers correctly, these 
eight 
> full sleepers would have carried a minimum of 80 passengers 
(assuming 
> all bedrooms were occupied by only a single passenger) and a maximum 
of 
> 160 passengers (assuming all bedrooms were occupied by two 
passengers). 
> 
> Lyman Holmes
>
We can't forget about the crew.  I don't know the assignment of 
sleeping car space procedures, but I was told the three double 
bedrooms and drawing room in the Park car are crew space as well as 
several other bedrooms throughout the train.  I assume that, as on 
other trains, some crew members have to double up in double bedrooms 
when there are no roomettes available.  The Learning Co-ordinator has 
the drawing room to his/her self - well, other than sharing it with 
the plastic lobster.  The boss (service manager) gets a mere double 
bedroom, as one co-ordinator joked.

I observed some bedrooms occupied by three people, one of whom was 
always a young child.

David Brain,
Mississauga, Ont.
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Gerald Gaugl | 1 Nov 2005 03:49
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Re: Pavilion/Park car on Hudson Bay

> Tom Box wrote:
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> > What is the history of the Melville - Canora line?  Was
> it Canadian Northern, Grand Trunk Pacific, or
> post-nationalization?

This line was built as the Grand Trunk Pacific Branch Lines
Ry in 1911.

Gerry Gaugl,
Ottawa ON

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westmountroad | 1 Nov 2005 03:18
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A couple of consists from 1987

December 5, 1987
#12 'Atlantic'
Halifax, NS

6428     F40PH-2
6617     F9B
15472    Steam Generator Unit
9618     Baggage
3203     Coach (Snack Bar)
5616     Coach
5703     Dayniter
1347     Diner
Evanston              Sleeper
Chateau Richelieu     Sleeper
Chateau Salaberry     Sleeper
Jarvis Manor          Sleeper
Riding Mountain Park  Dome Obs.

December 27, 1987
#12 'Atlantic'
Halifax, NS (arriving 50 minutes late)

6422     F40PH-2
6770     FPA-4
15416    Steam Generator Unit
9654     Baggage
3207     Coach (Snack Bar)
5583     Coach
3024     Coach - Cafe Lounge
5736     Dayniter
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Gary Hadfield | 1 Nov 2005 10:09
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CP Canadian Consist 1977

Lyman Holmes wrote:

This did not seem to be a case with the CP Canadian.  At Sudbury at 
least in the late 1970s, even in the summer, baggage from the Toronto 
section and the Montreal section would be combined into one baggage 
car which continued west and baggage would be spilt going east.  I do 
not recall which baggage car ran the whole trip to Vancouver and 
which ran only east of Sudbury but perhaps someone has this 
information.  

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Here's a Canadian consist from 1977:

CP#1 Canadian w/b 
Montreal-Sudbury October 29, 1977
1414 FP9A
8528 GP9
601 Baggage Dorm
127 Coach
500 Skyline Dome
York Diner
Chateau Latour
Laurentide Park

CP#11 Canadian w/b
Toronto-Sudbury October 29, 1977
4067 FP7A
616 Baggage Dorm
113 Coach
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Gary Hadfield | 1 Nov 2005 10:15
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FW: CP Canadian Consist 1977


Sorry "KENT" is a DINER!! Not MANOR

Gary 

CP#11 Canadian w/b
Toronto-Sudbury October 29, 1977
4067 FP7A
616 Baggage Dorm
113 Coach
Skyline 514
>>>>Kent Manor
Chateau Roberval

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trackscapes | 1 Nov 2005 12:33
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Re: Northern Spirit vs. Chateau (was Pavilion/Park car)


In a message dated 01/11/2005 00:01:54 GMT Standard Time,  
llholmes1948@... writes:

From a  passenger 
standpoint which are preferable, the Northern Spirit cars or the  
Chateau cars?

It depends on the passenger. As a single traveller, I would go for the  
Northern Spirit and keep the bed up all day as a daybed so that I could face  
forwards. If I was with my wife I would probably prefer the Chateau.
Peter Weldon
PS: Also, the Northern Spirit side logos look great!
PPS: I wrote the above before reading the post about the windows. That  was 
my one objection to the NS cars; even getting out and cleaning the outside  
didn't help much as they hadn't been replaced for many  years.

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Canadian | 1 Nov 2005 13:47
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