Bruce EVangel Parmenter | 1 Jun 03:04 2012

Re: AMP Electric SUV Conversions Get A Cincy Showroom

Please correct me if wrong, but aerodynamic drag at highway speed
(65mph) is not the only kWh eater that demands a more costly higher
capacity pack, thus a more expensive e-SUV purchase price. 

My 1985 S-10 Blazer was a serious wind pusher, and can not compare to
today's more aerodynamic designed SUVs
http://www.distrocars.com/search/Most+efficient+Aerodynamic+SUV

When you want to take the whole family on a long trip in comfort and be
able to also carry all their crap as well, that takes a big vehicle
(like two vehicles in one). 

That means more weight to get up to speed, just to throw all of that
energy away by braking for the next red light (regen only regains 5-8%
of that energy used to get up to speed). Plus all the added friction
loss from bigger tires, brakes that might drag, and driver-train losses.
I think Bill also meant/inferred the above losses be included when he
said aerodynamic drag.

Considering what is being asked of of an e-SUV, that huge vehicle does
pretty well just to satisfy the whims of a driver who wants to feel like
he is driving his living room down the road ...

(it has everything: rear hatch that automatically opens or closes from
the remote, cup holders at every seat, wifi, USB ports, TV/multimedia
system with 1000W surround sound, sat nav, Internet console built-in,
cell-phone cradle with hands-free interface, seats that remember and
adjust to each driver's butt preferences, and it's AI tells you it
LOVE's YOU when you get in ... ).

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EVDL Administrator | 1 Jun 04:48 2012
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Re: AMP Electric SUV Conversions Get A Cincy Showroom

On 31 May 2012 at 18:04, Bruce EVangel Parmenter wrote:

> When you want to take the whole family on a long trip in comfort and be
> able to also carry all their crap as well, that takes a big vehicle (like
> two vehicles in one). 

But (IMO) that's not what EVs are for.  If you're an EV driver and you want 
to take a long trip, and you feel the need for more room, you rent or borrow 
a mini-monster, no?

I remain hopeful that we'll see more vehicle-sharing and station car schemes 
surface in the coming years.  I'm not a fan of leasing, but I might change 
my mind for a scheme with some flexibility.  I'd lease whatever vehicle I 
needed for daily use, such as a small EV.   When I wanted to go on a trip, 
I'd drop off the small EV and pick up an ICE minivan for the week, with the 
extra cost billed to my account.  When I wanted to get some lumber, I'd drop 
off the EV and drive away in a pickup (maybe EV) for the day.

David Roden
EVDL Administrator
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Otmar | 1 Jun 07:07 2012

Re: Has anyone found a source for the level 3 vehicle

I'm also hoping to add Chademo (and hopefully Tesla Supercharger later on)
capability to my conversion. Here in Oregon Aerovironment is quickly
installing many level 3 chargers and I'd love to use them for longer trips
(to the beach!) 

Nice map here, we'll see if they hit the end of 2012 target since they
missed the last one by many months. 
http://westcoastgreenhighway.com/images/WCEH_infrastructure.pdf

Manzanita Micro has a vehicle inlet sitting on the engineering bench. I
understand it's a standard Leaf part that cost about $800. A few contactors
and a very good BMS (I'd suggest at least one temperature monitor per cell
and mine may have one on each terminal) will be required. 

The stumbling block seems to be finding a legal way to get the CAN protocol
without spending an arm and a leg. Maybe some Leaf owners could start
sniffing the data stream while charging? From what I hear the TEPCO spec is
guarded with large upfront subscription fees. 

Hack away!

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914 EV, California Poppy, Zilla research vehicle. 
http://evcl.com/914/

The Zilla factory is at:
http://manzanitamicro.com/

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Bruce EVangel Parmenter | 1 Jun 10:10 2012

Re: AMP Electric SUV Conversions Get A Cincy Showroom

I agree David idyllically that isn't what EVs are for, but you and I are
not talking in 'real world' terms. As in, the public has been told/sold
by TV commercials, they 'NEED' an SUV to be happy (by the way, TV ads
are tailored to the region they are broadcast, so they are different
from area to area). 

The above applies, from families with four or more members (2 adults & 2
children, or more), to a single man that wants to spend all of his
paycheck showing that he can afford a large guzzler to party with his
buds, and also use as his date-mobile.

I can confirm this with the experiences I have in my daily-exercise
walks around my local (Silicon Valley - SF area) shopping center parking
lots that not only let me see what the general public is driving but
also interact with them to get a quick question or two in as they load
up, and before they dash off to go dance in traffic. 

Even with regular going for $4.40/gal, the ratio of SUVs to more
efficient vehicles is about the same. Those more efficient vehicles have
gotten leaner and meaner (i.e.: econ-boxes, Fiat 500, etc.), but the
SUVs are what we are talking about here: A vehicle that you use to take
the family on trips (that can be to the corner store, around town as a
family, or farther - not necessarily over a 100 miles per trip).

Here is what I see, the images are mostly of the back as that is what I
see the public as they are piling the crap they just got on top of the
crap they always carry around with them:

http://i.oodleimg.com/item/2954933963u_2x424x360f_2008_chevrolet_tahoe/?1331297465

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brucedp5 | 1 Jun 11:01 2012

EVLN: EVs are what an ordinary ‘Joe’ is to do


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http://www.thecarbondalenews.com/opinions/editorials/x358807553/My-Two-Cents
[image] My Two Cents; 'Go Green' on a Leaf
By JOHN HUDANISH  May 30 2012 

Carbondale, PA — Gasoline prices strain household budgets.  
Even if you don't own a car, the consumer goods you buy come to your
neighborhood stores by truck, so the price of gasoline for transporting them
is factored into how much you pay at the cash register when you buy them.

Back in December, I paid $3.30 per gallon of gas I put in my car at a Gulf
station in Dickson City.   The price per gallon climbed to $4 by mid-April.  
Now prices are falling again. It's about $3.56 per gallon as I write.   Why
these fluctuations?   Apparently higher prices at the pump have little to do
with supply and demand.   Prices follow market manipulations on Wall Street.

So what's an ordinary ‘Joe’ to do?
Why not follow 52,000 Americans who bought gas-electric hybrids and
all-electric cars last March?  This was a record in sales for hybrids and
all-electric cars, up from 34,000 in March 2011, but it represents only
3.64% of total car sales in the United States.  The market share will surely
grow, however.  Higher gas prices drive sales of fuel efficient vehicles,
and more market manipulations are always imminent.

Any ‘Joe’ in Northeastern Pennsylvania who's interested can test drive a
Toyota Prius, a Chevrolet Volt, a Mitsubishi I-car and a Nissan Leaf — all
electric vehicles.   I've driven them all, and the Leaf, in my view, is the
best of the lot. I was accompanied on my test drive by sales consultant
Arnold Schiavi at Tom Hesser Nissan in Scranton.
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brucedp5 | 1 Jun 11:03 2012
Steve Clunn | 1 Jun 14:21 2012
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re No personal attacks

Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:32:50 -0700
From: corbin dunn
>  are sprinkling gasoline and lighting matches

Oh! I propose a new catch phrase for EV people:

"leaving batteries exposed and dropping wrenches"

:)

that's a good one ,, "don't wrench me bro"   . I think the drag race stuff
might also go over better if OT ,( off topic ) was used or some thing like
Bruce dose  .  Its kind of like noise in a library , when people are
excited about stuff . We want to here the news but If it gets to loud you
know your not going to hear anything .
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Steve Clunn | 1 Jun 14:33 2012
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GC batteries with GC post

We have 3 conversion going on a Mr D's shop Sean's pu which now has a tilt
bed and battery box under ben . Some how 1/2 of the batteries he got have
the golf cart style post . I've never had good luck with the lug connectors
on them . I'm for taking them back and getting the automove post ,, but we
have a time factor here . Yesterday Shack got his porsche 914 drivable and
his has the lug type GC battery post , and one his first ride , one melted
off ... He thinks it might be becuse it he might not have tightened it . I
was trying to think of another fix for this ... Problem .  I got my first
ride the other day , still lots to do including getting pictures up .. steve

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brucedp5 | 1 Jun 14:41 2012

Re: EVLN: 2012 i-MiEV driving on the Electric Avenue

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Zeke Yewdall | 1 Jun 16:28 2012
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Re: AMP Electric SUV Conversions Get A Cincy Showroom

I'm not a fan of leasing either, but I do like the idea of having a
flexible lease.... little two seater commuter for most days, but
occasionally, I could swap it out for the 7 seater monster SUV, when the
whole family goes on a trip.

Ironically, that's exactly what I'm looking at now...  all of my ICE
vehicles are either small efficient ones, or are large cargo vehicles that
only get used when I need to haul 10,000 lbs, not people haulers, and I'm
trying to take my brother and sister in law and his family on a road trip,
with my family, in July.... I don't own anything that'll seat that many
people :)  But... I only need it for about a week, not all year.

Z

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 2:10 AM, Bruce EVangel Parmenter <
brucedp5@...> wrote:

> I agree David idyllically that isn't what EVs are for, but you and I are
> not talking in 'real world' terms. As in, the public has been told/sold
> by TV commercials, they 'NEED' an SUV to be happy (by the way, TV ads
> are tailored to the region they are broadcast, so they are different
> from area to area).
>
> The above applies, from families with four or more members (2 adults & 2
> children, or more), to a single man that wants to spend all of his
> paycheck showing that he can afford a large guzzler to party with his
> buds, and also use as his date-mobile.
>
> I can confirm this with the experiences I have in my daily-exercise
> walks around my local (Silicon Valley - SF area) shopping center parking
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