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Bruce Williford | 1 Aug 2009 01:12
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Re: Hypothetical question about EV registration

Gene,  Two years ago I had no problems registering a 1968 VW Ghia that  
was off the computer records here in California.  No one at the DMV  
cared that it was a conversion at all.  I could find no benefit for  
having it registered as an electric vehicle.  My only issue was mixed  
VIN numbers.  I needed to have the CHP inspect the numbers and issue me  
a new VIN plate that matched the frame and title number.  Again the CHP  
officer seemed to not care at all that it was electric powered.  The  
only questions I had to answer were the classic "how fast, how far and  
how much".  The last two year I send them my money and they send me a  
sticker.

Bruce

On Jul 31, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Gene Stopp wrote:

> If a state's DMV regulations specify that vehicles older than, say,  
> 1975, are exempt from needing a yearly or bi-yearly smog check, and  
> say that I convert, say, a 1974 car, is there any reason to apply for  
> the "E" status for the vehicle? Can the registration just be renewed  
> on a yearly basis as if the car were never converted? Let's say that  
> the state is, say, California.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> - Gene
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David Dymaxion | 1 Aug 2009 01:16
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Re: Hypothetical question about EV registration

In California (at least it used to be) and Utah electrics can get a sticker or plate that lets them drive in the
car pool lane.

You might need the correctly notated title if you are applying for a tax credit.

If your state charges extra taxes for vehicles that use non road-taxed fuel (electricity in our case), it
might be a form of tax evasion to represent the vehicle as a gasoline car. 

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Subject: [EVDL] Hypothetical question about EV registration

If a state's DMV regulations specify that vehicles older than, say, 1975, are exempt from needing a yearly
or bi-yearly smog check, and say that I convert, say, a 1974 car, is there any reason to apply for the "E"
status for the vehicle? Can the registration just be renewed on a yearly basis as if the car were never
converted? Let's say that the state is, say, California.

Best Regards,

- Gene

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Gene Stopp | 1 Aug 2009 01:18
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Re: Hypothetical question about EV registration

It occurs to me that there may be some road-use tax that is rolled into gas prices that aren't going to be
collected with an EV. Would that be tax evasion?

Best Regards,

- Gene

Gene,  Two years ago I had no problems registering a 1968 VW Ghia that  
was off the computer records here in California.  No one at the DMV  
cared that it was a conversion at all.  I could find no benefit for  
having it registered as an electric vehicle.  My only issue was mixed  
VIN numbers.  I needed to have the CHP inspect the numbers and issue me  
a new VIN plate that matched the frame and title number.  Again the CHP  
officer seemed to not care at all that it was electric powered.  The  
only questions I had to answer were the classic "how fast, how far and  
how much".  The last two year I send them my money and they send me a  
sticker.

Bruce

On Jul 31, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Gene Stopp wrote:

> If a state's DMV regulations specify that vehicles older than, say,  
> 1975, are exempt from needing a yearly or bi-yearly smog check, and  
> say that I convert, say, a 1974 car, is there any reason to apply for  
> the "E" status for the vehicle? Can the registration just be renewed  
> on a yearly basis as if the car were never converted? Let's say that  
> the state is, say, California.
>
> Best Regards,
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Gene Stopp | 1 Aug 2009 01:21
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Re: Hypothetical question about EV registration

Our messages passed in the ether... clearly more research is needed here. I don't want to miss out on tax
credits and I don't want tax trouble. Never had it, but I've heard bad things.

Best Regards,

- Gene

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In California (at least it used to be) and Utah electrics can get a sticker or plate that lets them drive in the
car pool lane.

You might need the correctly notated title if you are applying for a tax credit.

If your state charges extra taxes for vehicles that use non road-taxed fuel (electricity in our case), it
might be a form of tax evasion to represent the vehicle as a gasoline car. 

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From: Gene Stopp <gene@...>
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 2:28:59 PM
Subject: [EVDL] Hypothetical question about EV registration

If a state's DMV regulations specify that vehicles older than, say, 1975, are exempt from needing a yearly
or bi-yearly smog check, and say that I convert, say, a 1974 car, is there any reason to apply for the "E"
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John Stegall | 1 Aug 2009 02:48
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Re: Clunkers for gliders

And a mustang may be worth more than $4500.00

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Haudy Kazemi <kaze0010@...> wrote:

> Dennis Miles wrote:
> >> (i) selling any parts of the disposed vehicle other
> >> than the engine block and drive train (unless with
> >> respect to the drive train, the transmission, drive
> >> shaft, or rear end are sold as separate parts); or
> >> (ii) retaining the proceeds from such sale.
> >>
> >
> >
> >> Interpretation: The savings provision is the big exception to the
> >> crushing/shredding clause.  The vehicle can be completely parted out
> >> except for the engine block.  That would mean glass, seats, body panels,
> >> suspension components, etc. can all be sold as parts.  'Rear end' is
> >> specifically included even though that would be a large assembly of
> >> parts...so it reads as if the vehicle can be cut in half with the back
> >> half sold without further disassembly.  This would be useful for anyone
> >> replacing truck beds or salvaging currently running vehicles with heavy
> >> rear end damage.  The dealer/salvage/disposal facility gets to keep any
> >> money made from these parts sales.
> >>
> >
> > No, the "Rear-End" is the parts inside the rear drive axle. not the back
> > half of the vehicle. the "Rear Clip" is the back half of the body, these
> are
> > common terms used by Mechanics in the United States. However other
> meanings
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Bruce Williford | 1 Aug 2009 02:52
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Re: Hypothetical question about EV registration

Does any one that owns a California registered electric vehicle,  
conversion or manufactured pay any extra road use tax?  Ca DMV knew my  
car was electric and did not care.  I asked my accountant to search for  
any possible tax incentives for registering it as an electric and he  
could find none.  I don't know if he checked for any extra taxes.  My  
commute does not include any carpool lanes but such a sticker is  
valuable in other cities. I have heard that used Priuses (Prii?)   
getting a much better price if they have the HOV lane sticker.

I would also like to know if any one has received any sort of time of  
use/electric vehicle special pricing from PG&E?

Bruce

On Jul 31, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Gene Stopp wrote:

> Our messages passed in the ether... clearly more research is needed  
> here. I don't want to miss out on tax credits and I don't want tax  
> trouble. Never had it, but I've heard bad things.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> - Gene
>
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Jorg Brown | 1 Aug 2009 03:06
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Re: [NEDRA] Is Tesla the difference maker?

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:34 AM, damon henry <damonhenry@...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I had the chance to see a Tesla in person for the first time this weekend drag racing
> here in Portland.  It was a lot of fun, and a very impressive car.  Not only did it perform
> extremely well on the race track, but most of the cars were driven down from Seattle.
> The question that I have is , is this enough to push electrics into the main stream?

Yes.  Simply put, before Tesla, and despite the efforts of groups like
NEDRA, most people thought of golf carts whenever you mention
"electric car" to them.  Underpowered vehicles with no range, driven
by vegetarian-quiche-eating hippies.

Then the Tesla appears, and suddenly it's a car that looks like a
cross between an Acura NSX and a Lotus Elise, a car that looks fast...
and is.  A car that is blowing past Porsches and Lamborghinis... *and*
it's electric.

As the BBC show Top Gear put it, it's the first time someone's made an
electric car you might actually want to buy.  [I disagree with that
statement, but it is indicative of the general public's feelings
toward the Tesla and previous electrics]

I think many interpret your question as "will this particular electric
go mainstream", and that's clearly no.  It costs too much, end of
statement.

But you question was "is this enough to push electrics into the main
stream", and I think it definitely has.  Prior to the Tesla, I don't
know of any major manufacturers who were thinking seriously of doing
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gary | 1 Aug 2009 01:35
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Re: Clunkers for gliders

I plan on calling the listed scrapyards in San Antonio and asking about 
T-birds and Cougars - we need to save the Sunrise gliders!

Gary Krysztopik
www.ZWheelz.com
www.aceaa.org
San Antonio, TX
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Cor van de Water | 1 Aug 2009 09:23
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Re: Hypothetical question about EV registration

PG&E will replace your fixed rate meter for free by a TOU
(Time of Use) meter with 3 rates, the nightly tariff typically being
5 to 6 cents/kWh, dependent how far you exceed the base consumption
that is determined for you (see your bill).
Go over the 130% and you pay a lot more for your kWhs....
I forget whether you get E9A or E9B tariff with a simple fax to PG&E
stating that you have an EV which you charge at home.

My factory-converted S10 was registered as an S10 with its original
VIN, so for insurance there was no difference from it being just
another S10, only for the DMV and smog check guys its 'E' fuel type
meant that it never needed to be tested.

You can apply for the *white* HOV stickers (no limit per vehicle
type as for the Prius) so for $8 you can use the HOV lane and pay no
toll during rush-hour....
Some cities have free parking for EVs, you need to request a dedicated
sticker for that - San Jose is one of them.

BTW, I did sell my Prius with *yellow* (hybrid) HOV sticker one year ago
and did indeed receive a significant higher price than "blue book".

Cor van de Water
Director HW & Systems Architecture Group
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Cor van de Water | 1 Aug 2009 09:42
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Vote for JB Straubel as Engineer of the Year

http://www.designnews.com/article/326033-Tesla_Engineer_Boosts_EV_Range_
to_New_Heights.php

Cor van de Water
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