Minutes of April Meeting

http://groups.fsf.org/index.php/Manchester/2009-04-06/Minutes

Administrative Meeting - 11th May

The May administrative meeting will be on the second Monday of the
month at the usual time and place:

    * Date: Monday, 11th May
    * Time: 19:00
    * Location: The Waterhouse [1]

The meeting is open to everyone and normally lasts about an hour. We
stay around for a social meet up afterwards, so it’s a good
opportunity to meet up with people and have a chat.

You can find the minutes of April’s meeting [2] on the FSF Groups
wiki. An initial agenda is also available [3]. If you have any thing
you’d like included please contact us [4].

[1] http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/54/5490/Waterhouse/Manchester
[2] http://groups.fsf.org/index.php/Manchester/2009-04-05/Minutes
[3] http://groups.fsf.org/index.php/Manchester/2009-05-11#Agenda
[4] team@...

DFEY - Logo Competition - Cash Prizes

DFEY is having a Logo Competition.

Top Prize: £40
First Runner Up: £10

Brief for Entries
=================

* Should be easily recognisable, visually pleasing and easily reproduced 
in different mediums.
* Should echo themes of Digital Freedom, Technology, Young People and 
Education.
* All entries must be licenced under Creative Commons Zero Licence 
http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0
* Should be submitted in SVG format, though high resolution bitmap might 
be acceptable.
* Ideally, should be created solely using free software but entries 
created using non-free software will be accepted.
* Ideally, shouldn't use that many different primary colours.
* Have been emailed entry to logo@... with the SVG or other image 
file attached by 23:59, 31st May 2009

Eligibility of Entrants
=======================

* Anyone can enter, regardless of age, geographic location etc.
* There is no limit to the number of entries per entrant

How to Enter
============

Re: DFEY - Logo Competition - Cash Prizes

I don't think that the creative commons zero licence is the correct
licence to use, it leaves the logo open to too much abuse while still
forwarding the responsibility back to us. I personally think that the
open source model is better, allowing for the owner to distance
himself from derivative works while still requiring a nod as it were.

But, that's just my thoughts as an artist...

thanks,

badspyro

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Tim Dobson <lists@...> wrote:
> DFEY is having a Logo Competition.
>
> Top Prize: £40
> First Runner Up: £10
>
>
> Brief for Entries
> =================
>
> * Should be easily recognisable, visually pleasing and easily reproduced in
> different mediums.
> * Should echo themes of Digital Freedom, Technology, Young People and
> Education.
> * All entries must be licenced under Creative Commons Zero Licence
> http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0
> * Should be submitted in SVG format, though high resolution bitmap might be
> acceptable.

Re: DFEY - Logo Competition - Cash Prizes

So a lot of questions have been asked about the licence.

Let me try and clear some of them up.

The CC zero licence essentially allows use by anyone for any purpose, in 
the USA this is known as "Public Domain", in the UK we don't have that 
legally, so we have a licence that says the same thing.

So some people have suggested using CC Attribution or Attribution 
Sharealike...

Having a logo licenced under these clearly becomes unworkable as the 
author of the logo needs to be credited on every letterhead, website, 
newsletter etc. You never see the FSF requiring you to attribute whoever 
drew their logo (and whoever subsequently modified it) every time it's 
used do you?

It would be very difficult, on a badge with the logo on it for instance, 
to credit several people who had drawn and designed the logo.

Having no legal entity and a very broad interpretation of who the 
members are in DFEY makes it very difficult to do any sort of copyright 
assignment - who exactly are they transferring copyright to anyway?

Having a logo licenced under Creative Commons Zero does have negative 
sides - we aren't able to use copyright law to stop people using it in 
ways we'd prefer they didn't but at the end of the day, this is not, in 
comparison, a difficult problem.

I know will disagree with my points of view - that's par for the course, 

Re: DFEY - Logo Competition - Cash Prizes

On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 07:35:53PM +0100, Tim Dobson wrote:
> * All entries must be licenced under Creative Commons Zero Licence  
> http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0

Interesting choice of licence.  Would you not also accept WTFPL and any
similar licences?  Is CC-by, or CC-by-SA really not acceptable?  I think
the reasons for this  decision are something that people on the list
might be interested to hear.

> * Ideally, should be created solely using free software but entries  
> created using non-free software will be accepted.

Given that the group is at least in part about freedom (if it isn’t, why
is it being bandied about here?), and that free software provides all of
the tools necessary, even if they do work differently to the de facto
standard proprietary software, I don’t think it is necessary to allow
the use of software that goes against freedom (with the obvious caveat
that this takes away a freedom of the author to use proprietary
software).

Simon
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Re: DFEY - Logo Competition - Cash Prizes

On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 11:42:28PM +0100, Tim Dobson wrote:
> So some people have suggested using CC Attribution or Attribution  
> Sharealike...
>
> Having a logo licenced under these clearly becomes unworkable as the  
> author of the logo needs to be credited on every letterhead, website,  
> newsletter etc. […]

> It would be very difficult, on a badge with the logo on it for instance,  
> to credit several people who had drawn and designed the logo.

Attribution under CC-by-sa allows for these circumstances.  In CC-by-sa
3.0 section 4(c) [my emphasis added]:

    “If You Distribute, or Publicly Perform the Work or any Adaptations
    or Collections, You must, unless a request has been made pursuant to
    Section 4(a), keep intact all copyright notices for the Work and
    provide, *reasonable to the medium or means You are utilizing* […]”

If you don’t think that is enough for you to be going with, you can
always ask the author to explicitly declare that it may be used without
attribution for small items where attribution is impractical, without
broadening it to just disregarding attribution for everything.

> You never see the FSF requiring you to attribute whoever  
> drew their logo (and whoever subsequently modified it) every time it's  
> used do you?

This is a bit of a straw man:  The FSF has shown on multiple occasions
that it does not give as much care, or to be utterly inconsistent in how

Re: DFEY - Logo Competition - Cash Prizes

2009/5/4 Simon Ward <simon@...>:
> On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 07:35:53PM +0100, Tim Dobson wrote:
>> * All entries must be licenced under Creative Commons Zero Licence
>> http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0
>
> Interesting choice of licence.  Would you not also accept WTFPL and any
> similar licences?  Is CC-by, or CC-by-SA really not acceptable?  I think
> the reasons for this  decision are something that people on the list
> might be interested to hear.

I fully understand Tim's concerns regarding attribution and I also
don't think it's workable for a logo.

It's interesting that no-one's mentioned CC-SA though.

Is PD verses copyleft so important when it comes to a simple image?
It's a genuine question because I'm not sure at the moment and would
be interested to hear others opinions.

>> * Ideally, should be created solely using free software but entries
>> created using non-free software will be accepted.
>
> Given that the group is at least in part about freedom (if it isn’t, why
> is it being bandied about here?), and that free software provides all of
> the tools necessary, even if they do work differently to the de facto
> standard proprietary software, I don’t think it is necessary to allow
> the use of software that goes against freedom (with the obvious caveat
> that this takes away a freedom of the author to use proprietary
> software).

[Fwd: [GeekUp] WordCamp UK 2009]

Interesting to anyone?

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [GeekUp] WordCamp UK 2009
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:19:48 +0100
From: Simon Wheatley <lists@...>
Reply-To: geekup@...
To: geekup@...

Greetings Hivemind,

WordCamp UK 2009, the UK's conference for all things WordPress, is in
Cardiff on July 18-19. More information and tickets can be got here:
http://wordcamp.org.uk/en/

If you're at all involved in WordPress, bbPress, BuddyPress or WPMu
development I can thoroughly recommend WordCamp as an excellent
opportunity to chat, network, learn and share. The format is
unconference-ish, although we have a number of exciting speakers lined
up: Matt Mullenweg (WordPress co-founder and chief Automattician), our
very own Stockport based Mike Little (WordPress co-founder), Peter
Westwood (WordPress core dev). More to follow I'm sure.

On a more commercial note, we're still looking for Sponsors [1], so if
you think your company might be interested in flashing some cash in
front of the UK WordPress crowd, but get in touch[2].

Cheers,

Simon

Futuresonic Arcspace volunteers needed

This year's Futuresonic and Social Technologies Summit is taking place
in a few weeks, on 13-16 May 2009. It's a hugely popular event in
Manchester with music, art and, most importantly, technology events.
More information can be found at http://www.futuresonic.com.

Manchester Free Software are going to be involved in a fringe event to
be held by Arcspace, at St Wilfrid's on Royce Road in Hulme.

Some activities will be happening on Friday 15th May from 12-3pm,
including a networking lunch. Vicky would like some representatives
from Manchester Free Software to go along to the lunch if possible.
Any volunteers?

The main events will take place on Saturday 16th May from 10am-5.30pm.
See the full list of events on the Arcspace website[1] and please drop
by on the day. It is planned that Manchester Free Software will run
drop-in sessions on computer recycling, free software and GNU/Linux
installation from 12-4pm. It would be great if we could have some
volunteers to help out. Any takers?

The Saturday's events will conclude with a BBQ at the Afewe Pub, just
across from St Wilfrid's.

Best wishes

Lucy

[1] http://www.arcspacemanchester.org.uk/?q=node/11