Matt Lee | 1 Nov 2007 12:49
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Meeting is confirmed!

If can, add yourself to the FSF Groups wiki...

http://groups.fsf.org/index.php/Manchester/2007-11-13

If you don't have an FSF account, you can either create one, or ask me
to add you. There's also an early agenda up there.

Oh, and if you've not already done so, you can join the FSF today and
take advantage of the cheap dollar.

http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=2442

matt
Dave Page | 2 Nov 2007 13:06
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GNU/Linux users of BBC Websites

In a recent article [1], BBC Head of Technology Ashley Highfield has
claimed that the BBC websites at bbc.co.uk only have 400-600 GNU/Linux
users. There's a petition [2] going round to collect signatures from us,
which I expect will get 600 signatures very quickly.

The claim is incredible - if true, it means that my office represents
~10% of the BBC's entire GNU/Linux usage. Either far more GNU/Linux
users are pretending [3] to be on Windows than I would expect, or
Highfield is downplaying the number of GNU/Linux users accessing BBC
services on line, in the same way that he downplays the Defective by
Design [4] protests.

It may make sense for him to do so; the BBC is coming under fire for
spending 130 million pounds of license-fee payers' money on software
which is tied to Windows XP and Microsoft-specific Digital Restrictions
Management [5]. A recent article [6] shows the depth of ties between
Microsoft and Auntie, and the Free the BBC campaign [7] exists to oppose
this.

Please forward the petition link to your local LUG [8], favorite IRC
channel, LiveJournal community etc. and encourage UK GNU/Linux users to
sign, and sign up to the Free the BBC Mailing List [9]. Only when the
BBC provides content in open formats without DRM which can be accessed
from any platform and operating system will we have a fair, free and
equal service.

Dave

[1] http://preview.tinyurl.com/23ojj6
[2] http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/linuxbbc/
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Tim Dobson | 5 Nov 2007 21:50
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BBC's Ashley Highfield discusses iPlayer on BBC Backstage Podcast

The BBC has released an interview with BBC Tech Boss Ashley Highfield regarding the iPlayer and many frequently asked questions.

You can get an ogg file of the http://blip.tv/file/get/Cubicgarden-backstagebbccoukAshleyHighfieldOnIPlayer648.ogg
licenced under Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike but don't ask me what version because I don't know.

See for yourself: http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/

He gets quite an harsh interview (in context), though obviously his view is not one I share.

I personally have noticed a couple of errors, in particular, I know upstream contributes towards my monthly bandwidth cap.

-Tim

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Tim Dobson | 5 Nov 2007 18:19
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BBC Ashley Highfield discusses iPlayer on BBC Backstage Podcast

The BBC has released an interview with BBC Tech Boss Ashley Highfield regarding the iPlayer and many frequently asked questions.

You can get an ogg file of the http://blip.tv/file/get/Cubicgarden-backstagebbccoukAshleyHighfieldOnIPlayer648.ogg
licenced under Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike but don't ask me what version because I don't know.

See for yourself: http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/

He gets quite an harsh interview (in context), though obviously his view is not one I share.

I personally have noticed a couple of errors, in particular, I know upstream contributes towards my monthly bandwidth cap.

-Tim

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Noah Slater | 6 Nov 2007 13:35
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This is the Android you've been looking for

(Sorry to anyone getting this a second, or third, time.)

There is no GPhone. That is, there isn't a Google branded handset.
There is Android. From the Open Handset Alliance:

    http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/index.html

    Android is built on the open Linux Kernel. Furthermore, it
utilizes a custom virtual machine that has been designed to optimize
memory and hardware resources in a mobile environment. Android will be
open source; it can be liberally extended to incorporate new cutting
edge technologies as they emerge.

The license is Apache 2.

VIA: http://bitworking.org/news/263/This-is-the-Android-you-ve-been-looking-for

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Peter Colton | 8 Nov 2007 08:35
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Selected Essays of Richard M. Stallman


	Hello matt,

Would it be possible for you to bring a copy of the book,

Free Software, Free Society: Selected Essays of Richard M. Stallman

To the meeting, so I can purchase it ?

All so could you sign my GnuPG key with your fsf key.

I will bring down with me.

My passport, back statement, water bill.
and a copy of my Key ID: 0x4079DC03

Once you seen my ID you can sign the key when you have time.

	Regards: peter

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Matt Lee | 12 Nov 2007 15:35
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Meeting reminder - Free Software Manchester - tomorrow 7pm

Interested in free software? Keen to learn more about ethical computing?
Need a hand sorting your kernel from your operating system? Come along!

Where? MDDA: http://www.manchesterdda.com/directions/

When? 7pm

Who? Matthew Bloch from Bytemark Hosting talks about free software.

How to sign up? http://groups.fsf.org/index.php/Manchester/2007-11-13

Fairtrade tea and coffee available at the event.

See you there!
Matthew Edmondson | 12 Nov 2007 15:57
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Re: Meeting reminder - Free Software Manchester - tomorrow 7pm


On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 14:35 +0000, Matt Lee wrote:
> Interested in free software? Keen to learn more about ethical computing?
> Need a hand sorting your kernel from your operating system? Come along!
> 
> Where? MDDA: http://www.manchesterdda.com/directions/
> 
> When? 7pm
> 
> Who? Matthew Bloch from Bytemark Hosting talks about free software.
> 
> How to sign up? http://groups.fsf.org/index.php/Manchester/2007-11-13
> 
> Fairtrade tea and coffee available at the event.

hehe i used my "Fair Trade" slide in London for the FSFE gig on
2/11/07 : >

http://freeitup.org/dl/ME_021107.odp

(apologies that its not better published yet)

some of the feedback from a (drunken) NGO participant was that NGO's
already have a great deal of ethical stuff that they have to comply with
so to them Free Software can seem like just another ethical hassle.  I
thought that this was very very useful feedback for FS advocates.

Obviously FS is not like Fair Trade, however I do see a correlation
between people who will consider and act upon the ethical merits of each
idea.

I am however very pleased with the 'memespace' seeding that seems to
have occured with this debate about Fair Trade / Free Software.   One
day on the street I asked a Greenpeace activist (not chugger) whether or
not Greenpeace used FS, he immediately replied (not knowing who or what
I was) by saying, "FS is NOT like Fair Trade - I am a VB programmer, I
have to earn a living for my wife and kids".  tee hee.

: )

have fun

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Noah Slater | 12 Nov 2007 16:10
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Re: Meeting reminder - Free Software Manchester - tomorrow 7pm

> I am however very pleased with the 'memespace' seeding that seems to
> have occured with this debate about Fair Trade / Free Software.   One
> day on the street I asked a Greenpeace activist (not chugger) whether or
> not Greenpeace used FS, he immediately replied (not knowing who or what
> I was) by saying, "FS is NOT like Fair Trade - I am a VB programmer, I
> have to earn a living for my wife and kids".  tee hee.

I am going to draw a comparison that is clearly blown out of
proportions - but in doing so I hope to illustrate the fallacy of such
arguments.

If you spoke to someone who was involved with organised crime, drug
dealing and prostitution and told him that you thought it wasn't an
ethical way of life can you imagine him turning around to you and
saying:

    "But I have a wife and kids to feed!"

Just because something pays money does not mean it is ethically correct.

No one is compelled to earn money in any particular way - if you feel
strongly against the ethics of something you cannot plausibly continue
doing that thing under the pretence of "earning a living". At least,
it makes no sense to me.

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Giacomo Lacava | 12 Nov 2007 16:40
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Re: Meeting reminder - Free Software Manchester - tomorrow 7pm

On Nov 12, 2007 3:10 PM, Noah Slater <nslater@...> wrote:

> I am going to draw a comparison that is clearly blown out of
> proportions - but in doing so I hope to illustrate the fallacy of such
> arguments.

uhm, the problem I see here is that you are trying to make people
realize that they are "guilty" of something. Similar to certain RIAA
arguments... You don't persuade a criminal to get "legit" by telling
him he's morally wrong, but by painting crime-free life like a better
option (no fear of capture, access to social services, more respect
from people, etc etc).

I think we should spin it in a more positive way, like (i'm
improvising) "yeah, but by using/developing FS, you don't just feed
your kids, you help people in economically disadvantaged areas" or
"you'll probably find more help to deal with problems"  etc...

just my 2p

cheers
Giacomo

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> If you spoke to someone who was involved with organised crime, drug
> dealing and prostitution and told him that you thought it wasn't an
> ethical way of life can you imagine him turning around to you and
> saying:
>
>     "But I have a wife and kids to feed!"
>
> Just because something pays money does not mean it is ethically correct.
>
> No one is compelled to earn money in any particular way - if you feel
> strongly against the ethics of something you cannot plausibly continue
> doing that thing under the pretence of "earning a living". At least,
> it makes no sense to me.
>
> --
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> far as society is free to use the results." - R. Stallman
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