Re: Back-atcha, Cayitano! {was:Hello Warren [was: Tibetan Crackdown Demands Response]
Leslie:
If my msg to you suggested paternalism, I do
apologize and hurry to try to correct that impression.
The only point on which I might differ with you is the
use of the word "independence," since it is so clearly
not independence, but SECESSION which is the outcome
the Dalai Gang are trying to bring about. We fought
that tactic in the 1860's and even warned the
Europeans to stay the hell OUT of our domestic
affairs.
And one other thing I seem to have left unclear:
all these (little 'd') democrats in sheeps' clothing
seem to think there was not chattel slavery under the
holy rule of the lama's feudal theocracy, but there
was. Just as the Pharaonic theocracy of Egypt used
slaves as the means of production, so did the Tibetan
lamas.
I'm sorry that carpal tunnel syndrome doesn't
permit me to write more in defense of my point of
view, but as long as you are writing, the truth will
out.
Warren
--- Leslie Lowe <Artisanlo <at> yahoo.com> wrote:
> Warren,
>
> How can one acknowledge and commend another whose
> views are shared without appearing patronizing,
> hooking little fingers ?
>
>
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> This is directed to all the blinkered people that
> advocate a boycott of the Chinese Olympic.
>
> Had they knowledge of world history, imperialism,
> colonialism and occupation they would know that the
> present China / Tibet problem was planned long ago
> by previous Imperialist Western nations to use the
> Dalai Lama as a pawn and spring board at a time of
> the Olympic to embarass China and later gradually
> bring about secession of Tibet, that over time will
> be in the Western camp and controlled by them..
> Western imperialism are envious that Nations they
> once controlled, exploited and
> dictated to are now independent and playing a
> significant role in world affairs.
>
> The USA.- a preditor nation - aided by England -
> the old master of "divide and rule"-
> France, Germany et al, hatched this move at least
> a year ago, or so it appears to me.
>
> France right wing President Sarkozky the most
> vocal in criticism of Chinas retalliation
> and advocate of a boycott, seems to forget his
> reaction to the rioting in Villers--le-Bel
> a Paris suburb, when brutal measures were used..
>
> Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel, another right
> wing, also met with the Dalai Lama
> last fall.
> England PM.Gordon Brown is set to met with him in
> a few weeks when he visits London.
>
> Czech President Vaclar Havel met with the Dalai
> Lama and while slurring China, in the same breath
> asking China to meet with the D.L.
>
> This past october G.W. Bush met with the Dalai
> Lama.and attended a ceremony on Capital Hill whem
> the DL. was awarded the Congressional Medal of
> Honor.
> All this is being done while knowing China's stand
> against independence for Tibet.
>
> Are intelligent people to be made to believe that
> the private meetings with the above mentioned with
> the Dalai Lama did not dixcuss and planned the time
> and place for the rioting and attack on Chinese
> businesses and killing and beating of many ?
>
> It is always easy to mask subversive schemes,
> plots etc. in the name of democracy and
> human rights that fool many.
>
> The Bushes, Sarkozkys, Merkels, Browns, Havels,
> Pelosis of the world have not the
> moral authority to speak about democracy and human
> rights while engaging in and supporting
> indiscriminate slautering of innocents as is being
> done to the peoples of Afghanistan and Iraq, the
> starving and erecting miles of wall to hold whole
> societies
> in open air prison who are not even allowed to use
> their shores..
>
> It is well past time when we all should determine
> who are the real terrorists..
>
> The Chinese leaders and people are fully aware of
> the history of Western Nations to
> splinter and divide established historical Nations
> that will then be easier to control and exploit for
> its natural and human resources.
> Africa a typical example, no continent or people
> have been more robbed and raped by
> White Western Imperialists to a point where they
> will never in the foreseesable centuries enjoy
> genuine independence.
>
> More recently Serbia ( originally Yugoslavia led
> by Martial Tito,
> a very close friend of a very close friend )
>
> Then there is Iraq -- widely accepted as the
> cradle of civilization-- next in line, never to
> regain even a fraction of its past history in a
> hundred generations.
>
> All moves point that this is the fate reserved for
> China by those that hold the view that
> they have a mandate to rule, and for whom enough
> is never enough.
> The USA, Britain, France, Germany and others are
> presently in Iraq and Afghanistan bombing them with
> depleted uranium bombs killing over an estimated two
> million men, women and children, plus the other two
> millions living as refugees in atrocious
> substandard conditions in their own land without
> water, food, sanitary conditons, the
> basic for human needs.
> Pause for a moment, how would you feel having to
> live in those conditione even for a day
>
> Yet falsely criticize Chinafor thr Darfur and
> Tibet problem
>
> This past october President Bush met with the
> Dalai Lama and attende a ceremony on Capiiol Hill
> when the D L. was awarded the Congressional Medal of
> Honor.
>
> Do these people expect China to bow to their
> demands and have talk with the DL.under these
> conditions when the DL.is actively supporting
> independence ?
>
> This China / Tibet confrontation comes as no
> surprise to me, one cannot fail to see the gradual
> mounting pf slurring of everything Chinese over
> recent times by the media and
> bigots full of envy whose agenda is to demonize
> China in the eyes of the world.
>
> It is the tried and proven system used, use the
> Media to mount a campaign and slur the intended
> victim, repeat it often till it becomes fact, then
> when we goes in with our Missiles and Marines we can
> say that our people are in approval.
>
> How this will end remains to be seen, one thing
> though, we are again entering another cold war era
> and where the western media will again be playing a
> major role in conditioning the minds of those
> already somewhat biased and unable to fathom facts
> from fiction.
>
> Leslie
>
> warren greer <warrengreer <at> yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> You didn't know slavery was practiced in Tibet?
> You believe the Nat'l. Geog. isn't part of the
> establishment? What'd N. Geo. say about Guantanamo?
> Were they there when we kidnapped the freely elected
> president of Haiti? Of course you saw their articles
> about the thirty years of genocide in Guatemala. How
> was the coverage of our valiant invasion and
> toppling
> the government of Grenada? Paraguay, the Geo doesn't
> show us, is still C.I.A. base of last resort in the
> So. American outback. When our military dictators
> usurped Argentina a la bu..sh.., did N.G. show the
> mothers there with the photos of their "disappeared"
> sons and daughters who had been thrown from flying
> planes? Tell me about the over forty years of
> fascism in Burma, and how clucking our tongues at
> the slaughter of Buddhist monks in Burma makes us
> holier-than-China and shocked -- I tell you,
> SHOCKED!
> about the wicked Chinese! Scuttle their Olympics!
> I'm afraid Lugo is selling a bridge in Brooklyn,
> to finance a blue-dog Republican run for the Senate
> and you, out of the purity of your heart and
> trusting
> nature, are buying.
> As Kangas on the Nightly Business Report always
> says, "I wish you the Best of Buys!" (Byes)
> Warren
>
> --- Cayitano Jones <cayitano <at> yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > warren greer <warrengreer <at> yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Talk REAL Democratic politics to us, Chris. No
> more
> > of this geo. w. bu..sh.
> > Warren
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >
> > You do seem to be unaware of the history of
> genocide
> > that has taken place in Tibet since 1949, Warren;
> > not of the Chinese by Tibetans, but by the Chinese
> > against the Tibetan and his way of life which in
> > your opinion was a slavery the Chinese liberated
> > them from by death. Pick up a copy of National
> > Geographic and get a feel for what it is like to
> be
> > objective without a political agenda. There have
> > been numerous articles in it on Tibet.
> >
> > Cayitano
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
>
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