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Date: Mon, Oct 6 2008 4:58 am 
From: "अभिजित Abhijit"  

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Ashok | 1 Dec 10:07 2008
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Please think my countrymen !

Dear Friends:

 

 

Mumbai terrorist Ordeal has thrown open a Pandora box of very critical issues to get answers from our leaders to some Crucial questions staring us in our face. I am sure hundreds of thousands of Indians must have felt surprised why we all still are not able to dump our politicians and political parties who have absolutely no regard for the country other than the oft repeated shallow promises and blaming other rival parties.

This harrowing drama that unfolded on Nov the 26th and continues perhaps till even now, presented a spectacle which, if not addressed immediately, is bound to cause more deaths and destructions in coming days in our society and certainly there are not any reassuring signs for us on many levels.

The menace of Terrorism which has fanatic tones can spring some unprecedented sudden surprises that it may entirely be out of question to resolve without suffering unimaginable destruction and loss of great number of precious lives the count of which may exceed millions!.

Surprisingly the scenario is our own creation born out of our own laxity in applying some corrective measures when these were crucially needed. Coupled with the fact that we preferred to sleep and left the issues trusting our Government who ever looked elsewhere to fill their own bank accounts or remain busy serving the dictates of their Masters who operate them during entire periods of their tenure while we thought they were managing the nation!

When shall we think that time is really NOW to dump them all. Can our people, all eligible VOTERS boycott two known brand names of Thugs this time in coming Election and rather choose INDEPENDENT candidates who are not sponsored by any Political Party?

During past 6 decades we have helplessly seen that just two political parties taking the nation and our entire civil society to ransom  and it is simply impossible to ban these two parties out of our governing system because Highest in Judiciary and Bureaucracy work as their puppets. Besides this, these two parties; BJP and UPA, have deep connections and interests with thoroughly corrupt Print & Visual Media who conducts itself in most irresponsible manner giving clear signals as if they are the Lords beyond any accountability to our people and society. 

Media is irresponsible to society and serves the interests of both; UPA and BJP and is keen to serve both because any one of these goons making at top is victory of Media Lords who are in league for sharing the spoils rather than any service to our people. Our Leaders have systematically subverted the Governance SYSTEM and made is cozy and comfortable for their clans.

Please think my friends, as a concerned Citizen what can you do in present express conditions?

The only available option for the voters is to undertake a conscious experiment where entire Nation elects only the Independent Candidates in their respective constituencies and bound them with an Oath that they would not change and jump to join these two gangs who our people decided to dump for ever..!

 

Ashok Sharma

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Amitabh Thakur | 3 Dec 12:32 2008
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The view from the other side- Introduction

Friends, 

The Mumbai incidents have made an unprecedented effect on various 
facets of India. It has simultaneously generated massive ripples all 
around us. Pakistan, for the reasons we all very well know, has been 
the country that has been the next deeply affected by the Mumbai 
attacks for so many reasons. There are so many national, regional 
and international issues, matters and aspects related to these most 
barbaric and horrendous acts and there has been a very wide uproar 
against these acts, not only in India but also all through the 
world. Even the President of the USA and the President-Elect have 
reacted severely and sternly to these incidents. The President-elect 
Obama has gone to the extent of saying that India has all the right 
to do such acts as are needed for its self-defence. 
But what exactly is going through Pakistan during all these 
momentous events. How do various sections in Pakistan react to this? 
What are the voices being raised in the Pakistani media? These are 
questions of vital importance, great relevance and quite some 
interest to India because it is now amply proved that these worst-
conceivable mayhem were conducted by men who had come from the 
neighbouring soil. 
Going through the Pak newspapers, one comes through a rather wide 
range of reactions, opinions and outlooks. 
I thought it proper to assemble the various facets of the media 
reporting, clubbing them in different groups to present it before 
you for your own assessment, understanding and reaction. I present 
these in a total of seven mails.   

Amitabh Thakur,
SP (Intll),
Faizabad
# 94155-34526

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Amitabh Thakur | 3 Dec 12:53 2008
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The view from the other side- General Scenario

Friends, 

Here, I present those news which have today( viz. 03/12/2008) hogged 
the headlines in Pakistan. 
To begin with, the Pakistan President President Asif Ali Zardari has 
been said to have strongly rejected suggestions that Pakistan was in 
some way involved in last week's deadly attacks on Mumbai, asserting 
no evidence has been brought forward to substantiate such claims. 
Appearing in CNN's Larry King Live, Zardari said he believed that 
the Mumbai attackers were `stateless actors,' and that the state of 
Pakistan was in no way responsible for the attacks. Though at the 
same time, he pledged to look into any proof of any Pakistani 
individual's link to the Mumbai incident, if it was provided to 
Islamabad. This news was reported by almost all the important 
newspapers of Pakistan in a rather prominent manner and was given 
quite emphasis. 
There Zardari had said that "The gunmen plus the planners, whoever 
they are, (are) stateless actors who have been holding hostage the 
whole world", though at the same time adding that "I am sorry for 
the Indians, and I feel sorry for them."  He even offered to have 
his security advisor and Indian security advisor and in charge of 
intelligence security of the two nations to have a joint committee 
for a joint investigation in the Mumbai incident." 
But interesting, in the same interview, Zardari also said something 
which no Indian is going to believe- "We have not been given any 
tangible proof to say that he is definitely a Pakistani. I very much 
doubt it, Larry, that he is a Pakistani." 
Another important news is as regards the All Parties Conference on 
National Security at the PM's House  in the evening of 02 December 
which unanimously agreed to a strong condemnation of the 
reprehensible terrorist attacks in Mumbai, in their 7-point 
resolution, sharing the grief of the people of India and extend 
their sympathy to the families of the victims along wiuth others 
related matters.
Then there is the statement of Defence Secretary Robert Gates as 
having vowed to strengthen partnership with Pakistan in meeting with 
challenges of violent extremism along the Afghan border region, 
where Gates also acknowledged Pakistan's sustained campaign against 
terrorists in the rugged border region under the elected government.
The news of the External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee handing 
over a list of 20 fugitives to arrest and hand over of those persons 
who are settled in Pakistan also came up in most newspapers, as also 
his statements that India was not considering military action 
against Pakistan in the wake of Mumbai terror attacks, which was 
generally hailed as sane act by the media on the other side.
The Associated Press of Pakistan (the official news agency of the 
country) also reported of the strong exception taken by the various 
political leaders to the supposedly-baseless allegations of New 
Delhi upon Pakistan after these attacks. It reported the PMLQ leader 
Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain's view of the need to adopt an aggressive 
and proactive diplomatic onslaught against baseless and hostile 
Indian offensive against Pakistan.
At the same timer, the Daily Times 03/12/2008 quoted US Senator John 
McCain saying in New Delhi – "No, we don't have any hard evidence of 
Pakistani government's involvement", and wrote that McCain had made 
it clear that "The United States will not support any military 
campaign against Pakistan in the wake of the Mumbai terrorist 
attacks". 

Amitabh Thakur
SP (Intll),
Faizabad
# 94155-34526

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Dhruva Trivedy | 3 Dec 17:20 2008
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Fwd: Pls read & wake u



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Date: 2008/12/3
Subject: Pls read & wake u
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LETTER OF EDITOR OF TIMES OF INDIA TO PRIMEMINISTER

Dear Mr. Prime minister

I am a typical mouse from Mumbai. In the local train compartment which has capacity of 100 persons, I travel with 500 more mouse. Mouse at least squeak but we don't even do that.

Today I heard your speech. In which you said 'NO BODY WOULD BE SPARED'. I would like to remind you that fourteen years has passed since serial bomb blast in Mumbai took place. Dawood was the main conspirator. Till today he is not caught. All our bolywood actors, our builders, our Gutka king meets him but your Government can not catch him. Reason is simple; all your ministers are hand in glove with him. If any attempt is made to catch him everybody will be exposed. Your statement 'NOBODY WOULD BE SPARED' is nothing but a cruel joke on this unfortunate people of India .

Enough is enough. As such after seeing terrorist attack carried out by about a dozen young boys I realize that if same thing continues days are not away when terrorist will attack by air, destroy our nuclear reactor and there will be one more Hiroshima .

We the people are left with only one mantra. Womb to Bomb to Tomb. You promised Mumbaikar Shanghai what you have given us is Jalianwala Baug.

Today only your home minister resigned. What took you so long to kick out this joker? Only reason was that he was loyal to Gandhi family. Loyalty to Gandhi family is more important than blood of innocent people, isn't it?

I am born and bought up in Mumbai for last fifty eight years. Believe me corruption in Maharashtra is worse than that in Bihar . Look at all the politician, Sharad Pawar, Chagan Bhujbal, Narayan Rane, Bal Thackray , Gopinath Munde, Raj Thackray, Vilasrao Deshmukh all are rolling in money.  Vilasrao Deshmukh is one of the worst Chief minister I have seen. His only business is to increase the FSI every other day, make money and send it to Delhi so Congress can fight next election. Now the clown has found new way and will increase FSI for fisherman so they can build concrete house right on sea shore. Next time terrorist can comfortably live in those house , enjoy the beauty of sea and then attack the Mumbai at their will.

Recently I had to purchase house in Mumbai. I met about two dozen builders. Everybody wanted about 30% in black. A common person like me knows this and with all your intelligent agency & CBI you and your finance minister are not aware of it. Where all the black money goes? To the underworld isn't it? Our politicians take help of these goondas to vacate people by force. I myself was victim of it. If you have time please come to me, I will tell you everything.

If this has been land of fools, idiots then I would not have ever cared to write you this letter. Just see the tragedy, on one side we are reaching moon, people are so intelligent and on other side you politician has converted nectar into deadly poison. I am everything Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Schedule caste, OBC, Muslim OBC, Christian Schedule caste, Creamy Schedule caste only what I am not is INDIAN. You politician have raped every part of mother India by your policy of divide and rule.

Take example of former president Abdul Kalam. Such a intelligent person, such a fine human being. You politician didn't even spare him.  Your party along with opposition joined the hands, because politician feels they are supreme and there is no place for good person.

Dear Mr Prime minister you are one of the most intelligent person, most learned person. Just wake up, be a real SARDAR. First and foremost expose all selfish politician. Ask Swiss bank to give name of all Indian account holders. Give reins of CBI to independent agency. Let them find wolf among us. There will be political upheaval but that will better than dance of death which we are witnessing every day.  Just give us ambient where we can work honestly and without fear. Let there be rule of law. Everything else will be taken care of.

Choice is yours Mr. Prime Minister. Do you want to be lead by one person or you want to lead the nation of 100 Crore people?

Prakash B. Bajaj

Editor Mumbai-Times of India

Chandralok 'A" Wing, Flat No 104

97 Nepean Sea Road

Mumbai 400 036

Phone 98210-71194

PLEASE READ N FORWARD AS MANY PEOPLE IN YOUR CONTACT LIST

 

 





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Sanjay Sarda | 4 Dec 03:52 2008
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Re: Black day

 
Our sincere condolences for the great soul, May their soul rest in peace.
 
We should take a serious note of it and should fight it out so the in future no one can dare for the same.
 
Warm regards
 
Sanjay Sarda 

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KUMAR GYANESH | 4 Dec 10:26 2008
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Very Important

Dear Members,
 
Something which is very important : -
 
 
Guys Please Read this its very important and Necesary to change our system!!!!
CHANGE is the Keyword
Did you know the power of registering your vot e as "Not-interested- in-voting- for-anyone" ? read the below!
As per the 1969 act, in section "49-O" that a person can go to the polling booth, confirm his identity, get his finger marked and convey the presiding election officer that he doesn't want to vote anyone!
Yes such a feature is available, but obviously these seemingly notorious leaders have never disclosed it. This is called "49-O".
 Why should you go and say "I VOTE NOBODY"... becaus e, in a ward, if a candidate wins, say by 123 votes, and that particular ward has received "49-O" votes more than 123, then that polling will be cancelled and will have to be re-polled.
Not only that, but the candidature of the contestants will be removed and they cannot contest the re-polling, since people had already expressed their decision on them. This would bring fear into parties and hence look for genuine candidates for their parties for election. This would change the way, of our whole political system... it is seemingly surprising why the election commission has not revealed such a feature to the public....
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Please spread this news to as many as you know... Seems to be a wonderful weapon against corrupt parties in India... show your power, expressing your desire not to vote for anybody, is even more powerful than voting... so don't miss your chance. So either vote, or vote not to vote (vote 49-O) and pass this info on...
Use your voting right for a better INDIA.
 
With Regards,
 
Gyanesh Thakur
Manager - Planning & Implementation
RFID Division
Dolphin Group, Mumbai
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SanjibKumar Dash | 4 Dec 13:08 2008
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Re: Black day

The common citizens all over the nation are deeply concerned with the recently happened incidents  at Mumbai and elsewhere in India.
My personal concern over the issue goes to the grass roots and the internal virus in the society including the administrative system of our country. I am a regular reader of local Oriya news paper 'The Samaj" & English daily 'The Times of India". Apart from I also remain in touch with Internet news sites.
Mr.Thakur also has served as SP, Bhubaneswar, some few days back. Although, BBSR and Orissa state are peaceful. But, during his recent postings at UP, he must been satisfied himself about his stress and pressure from political groups commanding him what not to /  what to do upon his jobs. 
UNLESS AND UNTILL, THE ADMINISTRATION IS FREED FROM THE COMMANDS OF POLITICIANS & THE OFFICERS ARE SPARED TO APPLY THEIR OWN MIND WITHOUT VICES, ALL WILL DEFINITELY SUFFER.
The time is ripe now to put pressure upon the legistures to bring changes in the system of administration and curtail the politician's limits upto the Parliament and / or Legislative Assembly. Strict Accountability clauses are also needed for all sorts of public officers in performances of their day to day duties. 
Once, our own home is made and set it to right, there will never further occasion arise, to, loss our beloved and mourn for them in future.
Thanks.                                                                                ( S . K . Dash, Advocate )
                                                                                              Cuttack , Orissa, India.  

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Manish Goyal | 17 Dec 12:58 2008
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It hurts me.... Does this hurt u ?



WHO Deserves MORE?

The India cricket team bus. & DON'T MISS the VIJAY RATH

Now lets have a look at the luxury our commandos had after their 60 hr sleepless battle!!!

The Black Cat (NSG) commando bus after operation at TAJ .

WHICH VICTORY WAS CRITICAL ??

What a shame and disgrace to every citizen of India that the elite NSG
Force was transported into ordinary BEST buses,
whereas our cricketers are transported into state of the art
luxury buses, these Jawans lay down their lives to protect every
Indian and these cricketers get paid even if they lose a match,
we worship these cricketers and forget the martyrdom of these brave Jawans.
The Jawans should be paid the salaries of the cricketers
and the cricketers should be paid the salaries of the Jawans.

Huh... This is
our India ....
Do not worry about those who have come thru boats...
Our forces can easily defeat them.
WORRY about those who have come thru votes....whoever it is…
Those are our REAL ENEMIES…,
These political leaders just use our panic & insecurity feeling to fill their vote banks…. No one cares for the people… whether it is the ruling party or the opposition

Guys lets utilize our votes sensibly, that's the least we can do.
Manish Goyal (A Hurt Indian)
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Amitabh Thakur | 3 Dec 13:22 2008
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The View from the other Side- Rhetorics

Friends,

Here I present the view which have a general tinge of anti-Indian 
sentiments in them and seem to put forth the point of view held by a 
decently large section of the Pakistani media.
Makhdoom Babar, the Editor-in-Chief of the Daily Mail wrote in an 
Article entitled "India to taste its own medicine" that Islamabad 
has prepared a list of some 35 top terrorists, involved in a number 
of terror activities in Pakistan and is set to hand over the names 
to Delhi seeking an early arrest and handing over of the accused to 
Pakistan.  It said that "Islamabad is also sending a copy of this 
list to Washington to bring it to the notice of US authorities". 
Babbar expresses surprise for L K Advani's name not being there in 
the list saying that he "is also wanted by Karachi Police for years 
and Pakistan has been asking India for his extradition to 
Islamabad." And adds that "many of the accused, included in the list 
are direct or indirect RAW operatives while a few belong to Hindutva 
Brotherhood terror network, though Hindutva establishment is also 
operating with full blessing and connivance of RAW."
An editorial in the Daily Times (Mumbai attack: what next?) 
presented a theory for the Mumbai attacks which said it had been 
carried by the perpetrators of crime to divert attention from some 
future planning of more serious nature. It quoted the Pakistan 
interior adviser, Mr Rehman Malik, as saying that "the Mumbai 
attacks were designed to force Pakistan to deploy its troops on the 
country's eastern borders, thereby clearing the western borders for 
infiltration" into Afghanistan. At the same time, it also 
criticized "the fear and loathing" spread by "the reckless and 
xenophobic Indian media". It speculates that "an authority higher 
than the Taliban may have commissioned a plot to push the Army out 
of the Tribal Areas on to the border with India." At the same time, 
it could not resist from remarking that there is "a very pro-India 
international community" at the moment.
In the same way, a "The Jang" Editorial of 3/12/2008 brings in yet 
another possibility saying that "it is also possible that these 
people are part of the wave of 'celebrity terrorists' now operating, 
self-starters who aim to get themselves their fifteen minutes of 
fame and notoriety"
The Dawn 3/12/2008 editorial "go-ahead for India?" begins with the 
words "No American president has ever encouraged any aggression on 
India's part towards Pakistan." And expresses great surprise over 
Obama having "ditched this time-honoured American policy".  
Dr Qadir Rashid in "The Nation" in an article "Mumbai: attacks and 
ISI" says that "the blame game has begun by India and the ISI has 
again been made the scapegoat." He claims that "both Afghanistan and 
India are now openly alleging the ISI to mask their own failure in 
tackling their indigenous problems.", drawing concern over the fact 
that "the forthcoming is a tough time for the ISI from both regional 
and international directions". 
Exactly the same thing in reiterated by S M Hali in "Mumbai mayhem - 
whodunit?" saying that " it is Indian psyche to blame Pakistan and 
its premier intelligence agency ISI for all its woes" going up 
to "the preposterous allegation of inflicting the epidemic of plague 
in some Indian states".

Amitabh Thakur
SP(Intll),
Faizabad
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