Dear Graham, This is a very very interesting presentation ... Do you have any extra background on the Lucas Plan? Michel The Lucas Plan shopping list: 1. The process by which the product is identified and designed is(Continue reading)
Hi Stefan, I'm not sure what exactly is the wishful thinking you refer to, if I understand correctly, with Christian's position here in this context. Thanks for elaborating, Michel ----- Original Message ---- > From: Stefan Merten <smerten@...> > To: list-en@... > Cc: Stefan Merten <smerten@...> > Sent: Friday, February 1, 2008 12:59:55 AM > Subject: Peer governance (was: Re: [ox-en] Terminology: Peer X?) > > -----BEGIN > PGP > SIGNED > MESSAGE----- > Hash: > SHA1 > > Hi > Christian > and(Continue reading)
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:02:37 +0000, graham <graham@...> wrote: > Dimytri, Matteo's article is anything but 'factual, logical and > philosophical'; it is an exercise in rhetoric from a school whose > closest kin is Juenger cross-bred with d'Annunzio. Some muttering name dropping, without a point. > If I came over as > whining, that is not what I meant; I meant to be abusive. This explains why you come across as a posturing twit. -- -- Dmytri Kleiner editing text files since 1981 http://www.telekommunisten.net _________________________________ Web-Site: http://www.oekonux.org/ Organization: http://www.oekonux.de/projekt/ Contact: projekt@...
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:45:49 -0800 (PST), Michael Bauwens <michelsub2003@...> wrote: > and Dmytri, there is really no need to psychologize arguments, like "being > defensive", I can't speak for Graham, but it does certainly not correspond > to my feeling and intention. Sorry, but when you renounced Matteo's endorsement of Copyfarleft because it was "unproven," that struck me as defensive. Why should an essayist limit themselves to the "proven"? Matteo is writing theoretical articles, not dictating State policy. It implies that other currents in peer production discussions are based on things that are "proven," i.e. your contentions that a "immaterial, non-reciprocal" mode of production exists because free software exists, and I feel I have completely refuted these arguments, thus your reaction to Matteo's endorsements of these and similar ideas as defensive, gripping to interpretations that are important to you, that these arguments challenge. It seems to me like you do understand that an "immaterial, non-reciprocal" mode of production has not, does not, and can not exist and are having trouble synthesizing this knowledge with your world view, thus you are inclined to react defensively to this loss, as you go through the stages of grieving for this idea that was obviously important to you. Sorry about the psychologizing, I fully understand I could be comepletely(Continue reading)
Specialized knowledge production and (the limits of) its remuneration ===================================================================== Basic Income as an alternative? ------------------------------- Manfred Füllsack [manfred.fuellsack at univie.ac.at] The presentation will try to assess the potential of a Basic Income to solve or at least to alleviate a fundamental problem commonly met in the context of "specialized knowledge production": the problem of its remuneration , or in other words, the problem that not every kind of specialized knowledge by itself is able to generate sufficient revenues to enable those who produce, process or distribute it to live on. Based not on "ethical" conceptions of the one or the other type, but on a general theory of differentiation the presentation will 1.) try to show that the detachment of the terms of knowledge production and the terms of its remuneration as it would be incited by a Basic Income is nothing essentially new in history. And 2.) it will give an overview about the current social, economical and political discussions, problems and prospects for the introduction of a Basic Income. Working paper - Not to be quoted without permission of the author! The following considerations will try to assess the chances of a Basic Income to "solve" or at least to "alleviate" a fundamental problem(Continue reading)
Sorry Dmytri, but it is at times difficult to discuss with you. Claiming that you have refuted my arguments does not make it so, you have stated your opinion, shown that you could not understand mine and others arguments about it. Each time you say that you have refuted my arguments, I'm not going to do like a child and say 'not so', as that would be tiresome. You have not refuted any of the empirical evidence that exists for non-reciprocal peer production, and offered no arguments to prove that free software is market economy, a command and control economy, or a gift economy. You have simple pointed out that it has a material basis, which everybody here knows and is not rocket science. So, after a contribution like this, I'm very much inclined to say, I'm not interested in having any discussions at all with you. Strange, it is the first time in my life I would take a decision like that ... which in my mind means that I have rarely encountered so obtuse a character. Let me and others be the judge if you have refuted any arguments, and not yourself. Doing that means that you are living in your own sollipsic world, not in the world of mutual discourse. Michel The P2P Foundation researches, documents and promotes peer to peer alternatives. Wiki and Encyclopedia, at http://p2pfoundation.net; Blog, at http://blog.p2pfoundation.net; Newsletter, at http://integralvisioning.org/index.php?topic=p2p Basic essay at http://www.ctheory.net/articles.aspx?id=499; interview at http://poynder.blogspot.com/2006/09/p2p-very-core-of-world-to-come.html; video interview, at http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2006/09/29/network_collaboration_peer_to_peer.htm ----- Original Message ---- > From: Dmytri Kleiner <dk@...> > To: list-en@... > Sent: Friday, February 1, 2008 10:01:56 PM > Subject: Re: [ox-en] The Ideology of Free Culture and the Grammar of Sabotage(Continue reading)
> > Sorry, > but > when > you > renounced > Matteo's > endorsement > of > Copyfarleft > because > it > was > "unproven," > that > struck(Continue reading)
Please Dmytri, again, this is not the place for testosterone induced ad hominem attacks ... The P2P Foundation researches, documents and promotes peer to peer alternatives. Wiki and Encyclopedia, at http://p2pfoundation.net; Blog, at http://blog.p2pfoundation.net; Newsletter, at http://integralvisioning.org/index.php?topic=p2p Basic essay at http://www.ctheory.net/articles.aspx?id=499; interview at http://poynder.blogspot.com/2006/09/p2p-very-core-of-world-to-come.html; video interview, at http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2006/09/29/network_collaboration_peer_to_peer.htm ----- Original Message ---- > From: Dmytri Kleiner <dk@...> > To: list-en@... > Sent: Friday, February 1, 2008 9:00:01 PM > Subject: Re: [ox-en] The Ideology of Free Culture and the Grammar of Sabotage > > > > On > Mon, > 28 > Jan > 2008 > 20:02:37 > +0000,(Continue reading)
Michel, could you please fix this stupid line breaking occuring in all of your responses? If not possible, please simply cut these useless lines, or, even better, change the mail service provider. -- I wonder why this happens _before_ Microsoft has taken over Yahoo(Continue reading)Tnx, Stefan On 2008-02-02 12:30, Michael Bauwens wrote: > > On > > Mon, > > 28 > > Jan > > 2008 > > 20:02:37 > > +0000, > > graham -- -- Start here: www.meretz.de _________________________________ Web-Site: http://www.oekonux.org/ Organization: http://www.oekonux.de/projekt/
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