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Geert Lovink [c] | 1 Nov 2005 14:11
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[ox-en] May I help to enrich your product offering? [u]


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> Subject: To GEERT: May I help to enrich your product offering
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>  Hi GEERT,
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> Ref: May I open a dialogue with you?
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> Hope you don't mind my disturbing your work again. Please forgive our 
> database mistake if we have sent our email to a wrong person.
>
> We should send you email previously and introduce ourselves a little 
> bit. You may have visited our website at 
> http://chinatrade.redirectme.net/, you may have also found that we've 
> been focused on Linux systems for years. Not sure how you would be 
> impressed by us?
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> Also having a look on your corpoate website, I believe we have a 
> common ground for some kinds of business. We're not going to sell our 
> Linux solutions. It may not meet your need. Apart from Linux, we have 
> well-tested computer accessories they are very suitable to sell at 
> your marketplace. These products are carefully developed so we hope
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V. Sasi Kumar | 3 Nov 2005 10:37
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Re: [ox-en] Re: Next successful Free Product?

On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 23:32 -0700, Michael Bouwens wrote:
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> Thanks, but is that then not exclusionary for the less well funded, or for authors less well connected to
their institutional funding. I know that in my case, as a part-time instructor, I simply could not pay for
getting published. But does that make my articles less valuable 'in se'?

Sorry for the delay in replying -- I have been short of time.

Certainly, it is always desirable to make it possible for anyone to
publish, but that is not the situation today. What I said was only that
the author having to pay is not a significant step backwards. Moreover,
at least some open access journals (PLoS journals, for instance) do give
concessions to those who do not have funds to pay. Even conventional
journals that ask for page charges do have provisions for publishing
without payment, but I am not sure how effective it is. I have not yet
published in one :-)

V. Sasi Kumar

> "V. Sasi Kumar" <sasi.fsfs@...> wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 19:49 -0700, Michael Bouwens wrote:
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> > Isn't it also mainly motivated by the new role of
> > patents, which block sharing and slow down innovation
> > in academic research. But the abandomnent of the old
> > scientific publishing scheme now also has perverse
> > results: the authors are now asked to pay for
> > publishing!!
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Benj. Mako Hill | 2 Nov 2005 02:49
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Re: [ox-en] sell your free software "lifestyle" business for nine figures [u]

<quote who="Michael Bouwens" date="Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 04:00:52AM -0700">
> Do you not have a problem with 'some people' profiting from the work
> of a whole community?

As a matter of princple, I do not. I think that, to varying degrees,
it happens with any collaboratively or community produced work. That
doesn't mean I always enjoy it.

> Are there any examples of free software communities perhaps forming
> cooperatives of producers so that more can benefit?

Can you explain what you mean by this? Geert suggested that the Debian
project is one example although I think I may disagree if you mean
"benefit" financially. A little clarification would be good.

Regards,
Mako

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Karel Kulhavy | 5 Nov 2005 10:29

Re: [ox-en] sell your free software "lifestyle" business for nine figures [u]

On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 01:49:51AM +0000, Benj. Mako Hill wrote:
> <quote who="Michael Bouwens" date="Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 04:00:52AM -0700">
> > Do you not have a problem with 'some people' profiting from the work
> > of a whole community?
> 
> As a matter of princple, I do not. I think that, to varying degrees,
> it happens with any collaboratively or community produced work. That
> doesn't mean I always enjoy it.
> 
> > Are there any examples of free software communities perhaps forming
> > cooperatives of producers so that more can benefit?

What is a free software community? Is it a community of users,
developers, or both?
What would the cooperatives of producers produce?

CL<
> 
> Can you explain what you mean by this? Geert suggested that the Debian
> project is one example although I think I may disagree if you mean
> "benefit" financially. A little clarification would be good.
> 
> Regards,
> Mako
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Stefan Merten | 6 Nov 2005 16:17
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Re: [ox-en] sell your free software "lifestyle" business for nine figures [u]


Hi Michel!

2 weeks (14 days) ago Michael Bouwens wrote:
> Do you not have a problem with 'some people' profiting from the work
> of a whole community?

Well, isn't this the very, very characterization of a human society? I
mean a human society is defined by individuals profiting from the
society. So what can be wrong with this?

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						Stefan

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Stefan Merten | 6 Nov 2005 17:58
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Re: [ox-en] New economic model for free technology?


Hi Michel and list!

Last week (13 days ago) Michael Bouwens wrote:
> My apologies for this very late reply, I was abroad for ten days,
> attending the re-activism conference.

Well, I for one save responding to the Oekonux main lists to times
when I have enough time *and* brain to say something useful. Sometimes
this can last *very* long ;-) .

> It was not really a great conference for me. I found Yochai Benkler
> to be very inspiring, but Lessig, though having a strong presence,
> to be somewhat arrogant, needing to 'put down' Benkler on several
> occasions. Also, he does not have a concept of peer production at
> all, for him P2P is filesharing, nothing more.

Well, to my knowledge I think you are the only one who use the term
P2P in this sense. Though I think this in an interesting idea it is
hard to expect others to know what you mean.

BTW this is why I find Oekonux such a good name. It simply means
nothing and people do not even start interpreting it but immediately
start asking.

> You seem to accept that in
> order to do self-unfolding, one must have traditional and
> 'alienated' employment.

Or more generally: Means to cope with capitalist reality. Yes, I
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Stefan Merten | 5 Nov 2005 14:45
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Scarcity, limitedness, deposits, needs (was: Re: [ox-en] [Upd-discuss] Paper:"Digital property" By Sabine Nuss - Response to Stallman)


Hi Michael and all!

I agree with Sabine's contribution.

Last month (29 days ago) Michael Bouwens wrote:
>> > My conclusion is:
>> > 
>> > In the material world the scarcity is artificial
>> as well, it is the  
>> > result of the private property regime:
>> 
>> Absolutely. Indeed this was one of the early
>> insights you gave to
>> Oekonux :-) .
> 
> I do have problems with this. On the one hand, I
> understand that property creates scarcity, artificial
> scarcity. But does that necessarily mean that there is
> no objective scarcity in the good itself. After all,is
> that not the difference between non-rival and rival
> goods.

Some time ago in Oekonux we found the terms scarcity, limitedness and
deposits (right term?) to describe what you mean.

Deposits mean the total amount of some raw material available on earth
/ solar system / universe. The deposits are present and fixed and may
not be known. This is the only thing which has to do with nature BTW.
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Stefan Merten | 6 Nov 2005 15:22
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References to the germ form theory (was: Re: [ox-en] Translation complete: GNU/Linux - Milestone on the Way to the GPL Society)


Hi Michel!

3 weeks (26 days) ago Michael Bouwens wrote:
> Were have you worked out the germ theory in most
> detail or most understandable form. Is it on the net
> somewhere, or if not, could you post it here?

The germ form theory is mainly a contribution from Stefan Meretz
(usually called StefanMz to distinguish all the StefanM's in the
project ;-) ). As far as I know this is also part of the Kritische
Psychologie which AFAIK is mainly a work of Klaus Holzkamp.

Either StefanMz may help or you can use Google.

						Hope this helps

						Stefan

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Stefan Merten | 5 Nov 2005 15:05
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Cheap production and Global Villages (was: Re: [ox-en] [Upd-discuss] Paper:"Digital property" By Sabine Nuss - Response t)


Hi Franz and all!

Last month (29 days ago) Franz Nahrada wrote:
> What I feel Free Modes in agriculture and cultivation can contribute is a
> large incentive of finding out the most appropriate ways to quickly
> regenerate resources needed for our human needs (not necessarily the ones
> of coreporations, as Sabine thoughtfully added).
> 
> We have basically two non-rival and almost non-exhaustive resources:
> knowledge and sunlight.

You might probably add energy from fusion reactors - if they ever will
become reality.

> if we base the material aspects of our production
> on easy and fast reproduceability of basic materials, we will see a
> predominance of non-rival / non exclusive schemes.

I think this applies not only to basic materials but to everything and
not only to reproduceability - whatever this may mean exactly - but to
all production. But this is trivial. "Easy and fast" means little or
no human activity is needed - or in other words: highly automated
production.

Automation here may mean in an industrialized way but also in a
biological sense as in the ideas you are promoting so often. In any
case, however, it is a technical thing where humans put together
artefacts in a new way to make them produce things.
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Stefan Merten | 5 Nov 2005 14:47
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Branding - good or bad? (was: Re: [ox-en] [Upd-discuss] Paper:"Digital property" By Sabine Nuss - Response t)


Hi Franz and all!

Last month (29 days ago) Franz Nahrada wrote:
> With the cheap and efficient reproduceability of everything, branding has
> been one of the main strategies to create artificial scarcities. We know
> that from pharmaceutical markets, where there often is practically no
> difference between branded drugs and generika. But we know that from many
> markets. Talking about your Nokia the mobile companies make damned sure
> there is a different plug for each model line so you are forced to
> purchase all equipnent anew.
> 
> I think one of the main achievements of Open Source Hardware is that it
> will put an end to that spook. There will be exact technical details of
> anything, but not necessarily a brand name.
> 
> Maybe to have no logo will become sexy one day again.

Well, a brand is also a sign standing for some features of a product.
As such there is nothing wrong with a brand as long as it's kind of
abbreviation for a set of features.

However, of course branding can be used to valorize. Such use of
branding is probably the one which needs to vanish. But this is easy
to conclude because such branding does not focus on use value and thus
is alienated to the use value.

A brand which says: "Products using this brand are long-lived,
standards compatible as can be, ..." is for sure a good thing. In some
general sense Free Software is itself already such a brand.
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