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Ed McLaren | 9 Dec 03:00 2004

[ox-en] research opportunity


I am completing a course on the Philosophy and Theory of Open Source
and Free Software. The assessment involves completing a project
equivalent to approximately 4,500 word on a topic within this subject.
Would anyone be interested in the results of such a project? If so I
would be happy to select the topic jointly, although I am keen to
consider legal issues such as 'software' patents or licensing issues.
I have experience completing legal research at a postgraduate level in
addition to experience producing reports within industry. I have
access to 2 university libraries and Lexis professional edition legal
database. I would be happy to provide a CV if requested. I cannot
guarantee any offers will be selected, as it is necessary to ratify
the title through the course, although I do not anticipate this to be
a problem.

Alternatively if anyone can suggest someone that maybe interested in
this opportunity.
Unfortunately my offer was not selected at  .

I look forward to some interesting suggestions

Many thanks


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Soenke Zehle | 9 Dec 12:39 2004

[ox-en] Code theft or liberalisation?

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Code theft or liberalisation?

December 9 2004
Christiaan Erasmus

An interesting row is brewing between SugarCRM and vTiger CRM, which 
could have a large impact for open source developers.

SugarCRM is a brilliant CRM (Client Relationship Management) application 
that achieved the prestigious award of being's Project 
of the Month during October. SugarCRM is released as a free downloadable 
version and an optimised Professional version that is charged for on an 
annual per user basis.

Recently vTiger took SugarCRM's source code, stripped the logos, added 
an installer and released it as vTiger CRM. I am not a lawyer but it 
appears to be legal to do this under the SugarCRM Public Licence (SPL), 
which is an adapted version of the Mozilla Public Licence. vTiger then 
went further to ensure that they adhere to the SPL by publicly stating 
that it is based on SugarCRM code and kept the copyright notices intact.

However, on the launch of vTiger a SugarCRM developer named John (it 
later emerged that it was John Roberts a lead SugarCRM developer) placed 
the following rant on one of the vTiger forums:

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Rob Myers | 9 Dec 13:02 2004

Re: [ox-en] Code theft or liberalisation?

On 9 Dec 2004, at 11:39, Soenke Zehle wrote:

> The question that has to be asked is whether a paid-for and free 
> business model can co-exist in the open source world. I am sure there 
> are projects that work successfully on this model but none that I can 
> think of offhand. You are most probably saying hey what about Red Hat, 
> but you can download and compile RHEL yourself, such as done by the 
> White Box Linux project.

This is the classic confusion of freedom and cost. Apache, Red Hat, 
Apple, IBM and others all make money off of Free software.

Yellow Dog Linux is a good example of a project that build on Red Hat's 
work with their PowerPC Linux, and returns work to the community, with 

What doesn't work, as this case shows very clearly, is trying to set up 
an Open Source buzz around a project that a company only has a 
proprietary profit model for. Dual licensing is not a long-term viable 
option, and as an employee or investor I'd steer clear of any company 
that uses it.

- Rob.

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Stefan Merten | 9 Dec 19:17 2004

Re: [ox-en] Designing a currency for encouraging online outreach

Hi Andrius!

Last week (13 days ago) Andrius Kulikauskas wrote:
>   The result is that we can have a currency that is not "zero-sum" but 
> whose purpose is to let us know who in our community we should be 
> rallying round and not forgetting.  Once a month or so, those people who 
> have participated the most actively (somebody like Lucas) will get to 
> choose how to redeem their points (we oblige them to!):
> - they can "cash out" (based on the modest income our community is 
> earning through our lab's activities)
> - they can use their point for some of our non-cash rewards or services 
> (such as our "virtual flash mobs")
> - they can use their points for decision-making power regarding 
> particular questions at hand (for example, Lucas might say - I want our 
> lab to reach out to the Spanish-speaking world!)
> - they can give their points away to somebody else.
> In this way, their sum is reduced and then next month or so we give the 
> choice to whoever is on top.

In other words: Who does not work may not eat. Old testament if I
remember correctly.

> Or 
> what do we owe to Bala Pillai?

I don't know your exact relationship but how about: Nothing.

> How can we understand that?

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Stefan Merten | 11 Dec 23:07 2004

[ox-en] Open Scientific Publishing Forum


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Stefan Merten | 12 Dec 21:03 2004

[ox-en] Translation complete: GNU/Linux - Milestone on the Way to the GPL Society

Hi list!

Finally my old text from 2000

     GNU/Linux - Meilenstein auf dem Weg in die GPL-Gesellschaft

is completely translated. Graham and ThomasUG did a great job by
translating the main body of the text. Many, many thanks for this
:-) . Bit by bit I reviewed their translation and - my main task -
added translations for all the footnotes.

Though the text is nearly five years old now reading it is still
worthwhile IMHO - at least as an introduction. On the other hand a
number of things mentioned in the text are already history today.
Personally I think it should be that way and I look at this text more
as a historic document.

As most Oekonux texts this one also can be commented on as an
OpenTheory project under

For now I subscribed this list to this OpenTheory project so all
comments there will go here. If this is a hassle in one way or the
other this list can easily be unsubscribed from the project again.

The text is also available at
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Tom Chance | 13 Dec 15:51 2004

Re: [ox-en] Translation complete: GNU/Linux - Milestone on the Way to the GPL Society

Stefan and others,

On Sunday 12 Dec 2004 20:03, Stefan Merten wrote:
> As most Oekonux texts this one also can be commented on as an
> OpenTheory project under

I couldn't see where to make general comments on that page, so here are some 
thoughts I had whilst reading it.

1) GNU/Linux has exchange value, and that is significant. You dismiss the fact 
that companies have based profit models on Free Software as being temporary, 
something that will disintegrate when all software is released under the GPL 
(what about other licenses?). Of course for hackers, the exchange value is 
irrelevant - or rather, invisible - to the account of their mode of 
production. They are working outside of the capitalist paradigm, unalienated.

But is it not significant that a product and a mode of production that is 
unalienated, that isn't created fetishistic commodities, can also have an 
exchange value? GNU/Linux is embedded in a capitalist paradigm and is, at the 
same time, challenging it and making it irrelevant. It strikes me that 
because of this, GNU/Linux poses part of an answer to Andre Gorz's challenge 
to find spaces within capitalist society in which life unfolds freely, and 
that can become increasingly broad with time.

2) Why have you not accounted for paid work on GNU/Linux? Many hackers are 
paid full or part time wages for their work on Free Software projects, and 
wouldn't be able to dedicate anywhere near the amount of time that they do 
otherwise. This fact raises two questions: a) are they still unalienated? And 
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