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Stuart Munckton | 1 Nov 2011 01:12
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Re: Oakland general strike question

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Thanks to everyone who has replied. It looks exciting.

On a much smaller scale, back during the lead up to Iraq war,
Resistancecalled a student strike for high school students and campus
students in Australia. Some on the left on campus argued there was no
chance for a serious uni strike, but no one on campus who actually took
part was worried it wasn't a total shut down of universities -- they just
took part and marched with the higher numbers of highs school students who
walked out of their classes.

A similar debate happened when resistance called a high school student
strike against anti-worker laws in 2006 -- it wasn't a shut down of high
schools, but the mobilisation, in a number of places, of hundreds of high
school students had a positive impact -- no one worried it wasn't a total
shut down, those who could be mobilised were mobilised and it was positive.

In a more significant and dramatic fashion, that seems the dynamic at work
here -- the call seems important and, from the comments and links around of
who has endorsed it etc, it seems it obviously not going to be some sort of
total general strike, but any mobilisation will be positive and a step up
from no mobilisation, which is what you would get if you didn't put out the
call.
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Peggy Dobbins | 1 Nov 2011 01:19
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Re: Oakland general strike question

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Sociology:  as a form of Art
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Reduce labor time for livable wage

On Oct 31, 2011, at 6:02 PM, Matthew Russo <russo.matthew9 <at> gmail.com> wrote:

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> Nor should anyone

> disparage people in struggle against state repression.
> . Under present conditions, what would appear as a delusional
> stunt before could spark a fire now.
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Alan Bradley | 1 Nov 2011 02:09
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Re: Occupy Brisbane

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From: Gary MacLennan
> I sincerely don't want to get into any kind of spat with Comrade
> Bradley, especially since his post is a thoughtful one that very
> much deserve a thoughtful response.

I'll try and behave too. :)

Gary writes
> Yet in the mean time the great achievement of Occupy brisbane is that it
> connects us to the world wide occupy movement. 

Yes, and this is the basic aspect that we mustn't lose sight of.

> Here in Oz both Sydney and Melbourne have been taken out by the state
> and they do not appear to be on the way back any time soon. 

Occupy Melbourne is showing some signs of life again:
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Occupy Melbourne takes to the streets again
Sunday, October 30, 2011
By Aron Micallef, Melbourne

Despite the police brutality faced by Occupy Melbourne protesters just over a week before during their
eviction from City Square, Occupy Melbourne returned to the streets on October 29.
http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/49286
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Louis Proyect | 1 Nov 2011 02:14
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Is Capitalism Losing the Debate?

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http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/10/31-3
Published on Monday, October 31, 2011 by CommonDreams.org
Is Capitalism Losing the Debate?
by Carl Finamore
A remarkable shift in mass public opinion is occurring right before our 
eyes. It does not happen often. Normally, only when there is a severe 
breakdown in public confidence about the future.

Now is such a time.

Millions are demanding clear explanations for the economic turmoil 
surrounding their lives and rejecting en masse standard platitudes from 
an increasingly discredited political establishment.

Fox-News pundits, Heritage Foundation business scholars, glib right-wing 
loud mouths and two-faced politicians from both major parties have been 
exposed as stand-in ventriloquists for the wealthy – shockingly, all in 
a few short weeks.

It all began with only a few hundred protestors camped out on Wall 
Street challenging conceited notions of the one percent.

Through it all, the Occupy Movement is discovering what my generation 
learned during the civil rights, antiwar, feminist and gay rights 
struggles begun some 65 years ago – the ideas of the rich and powerful 
just don’t stand up.
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Louis Proyect | 1 Nov 2011 02:15
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Re: expose of the IPCC

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On 10/31/11 6:30 PM, Paula wrote:
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> Louis T. said: "The people we are interested in are the researchers in
> the relevant fields ... Paula, whenever you tell a huge group of people
> that they are stupid, you
> need to give strong, cohesive evidence."
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> I never told such a thing; you're putting words into my mouth. It's not
> stupid to say that the climate is changing - it has been changing for
> billions of years. It's not stupid to say that human activity is
> probably a factor - after all lots of things affect the climate, why
> shouldn't humans? And it's not stupid to be concerned about future
> climate change, natural and man-made. A sensible skeptic wouldn't have a
> problem with any of this. The problem is the extreme-catastrophist
> narrative promoted, not by climate scientists, but by people like Gore.

Could you and Louis T. please continue this conversation privately? 
Nobody else is showing any interest in it.

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Stuart Munckton | 1 Nov 2011 02:34
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Capitalist charm: Top foreclosure firm threw homeless-themed Halloween bash

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http://gawker.com/5854540/top-foreclosure-firm-threw-homeless+themed-halloween-bash
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original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made,
through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man
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“The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of
dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker
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Juan Fajardo | 1 Nov 2011 02:44
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Another attempt to red-bait OWS

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http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2011/10/31/the-99-official-list-of-ows/

Cute how they claim it's an "official" list.

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DW | 1 Nov 2011 02:46
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Re: Oakland general strike question,

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Mathew is right of course. My point is...pointing out the mechanics of this
strike call...was more for our European readers who do experience the kind
of general strikes that...fit the norm, so to speak.

Locally the word is getting out. By that I mean it's broken into the local
news stations. This is very important because even though it's only so far
mentioned in passing, the general strike call is now 'known' by more and
more of the general populace. I think this is very important and can be
crucial in terms of the actual turn out.

The 9am/12noon/5pm times are still the main calling times for actions, all
meeting at 12th and Broadway in Oakland. I will be bringing some high
school activists myself from my town I live in to the 5pm event(s).

David
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Glenn Kissack | 1 Nov 2011 04:08
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NYRB: Qatar

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This is an interesting article about the hereditary monarchy of Qatar (the sponsor of Al Jazeera):

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/oct/27/strange-power-qatar/

The Qatar monarchy -- which allows no parliament or political parties -- was deeply involved in supporting
the rebellions in Libya, Tunisia, and Egypt, while welcoming the Saudi-led repression of the Shia-led
revolt in Bahrain. Qatar houses the headquarters of US CENTCOM and assisted in the invasion of Iraq, while
at the same time backing Hamas.

This is from the article:

'Though little noted in the West, Qatar’s enthusiasm for the Libyan revolt had been on display from the
outset. The emirate was instrumental in securing the support of the Arab League for the NATO intervention
back in March, contributing its own military aircraft to the mission. It also gave $400 million to the
rebels, helped them market Libyan oil out of Benghazi, and set up a TV station for them in Doha, the Qatari
capital. Following the conquest of Bab al-Aziziya, however, it became clear that the Qataris were deeply
involved on the ground as well. Not only did Qatar arm the rebels and set up training camps for them in
Benghazi and in the Nafusa Mountains west of Tripoli; its own special forces—a hitherto unknown
contingent—helped lead the August offensive on the capital. (Although Qatar’s military is one of
the smallest in the Middle East, with just over 11,000 men, its special forces were trained by the French
and other Western countries and appear to possess considerable skill.) The day the rebels captured Bab
al-Aziziya, Mahmoud Jibril, the leader of Libya’s interim government, singled out Qatar for its
far-reaching support, despite “all the doubts and threats.”'

Glenn
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Gary MacLennan | 1 Nov 2011 05:23
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Re: Occupy Brisbane

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I have just come back from a long chat with Jim McIlroy at the camp.  He as
always is bubbling with enthusiasm.  He reports that he has sold out every
edition of Green Left Weekly since the beginning of the occupy movement.
There is a rally on Saturday at which I will be speaking again.

There is also a discussion at Socialist Alliance headquarters about the
international movement and what it represents. I cannot make that but I
would like to have got some discussion around whether I am correct or not
about the leading status of London, New York and Oakland.

Re Qantas - we should have a proper discussion about this.  The dispute
could usefully be referred to an article (from memory this) that Lou posted
some time ago on the dynamics of the airline  industry.

I wold be very interested to know what you thought of Joyce's (CEO Qantas)
lockout tactic.  Has he gone too far?  By all that is holy he should, but I
am not sure the Unions are strong enough to establish that as a fact.

Having said that there is definitely a feeling around that something is
happening. I went to a talk this morning by the VC of Melbourne University
- a classic bourgeois intellectual who did mention the Occupy Wall Street
movement and what they were protesting about. Interesting.

comradely regards

Gary
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