Pat Costello | 1 Oct 2009 01:36
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Re: The Victim's Words: Samantha Geimer

I am stunned that someone on this list would defend the rape of a child (or any woman) simply because the
rapist is an elite movie director who has suffered some tragic events. The victim does not get to decide
that rape is something that we can just let slide. At no age is rape acceptable. If the victim had been 40 it
would still be heinous. And besides, this woman came to her conclusion after a "settlement", i.e. money. A
million dollars or so could buy a lot of forgiveness. 

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Ian Pace | 1 Oct 2009 01:42

Re: The Victim's Words: Samantha Geimer

From: "Pat Costello" <pt_costello <at> yahoo.com>

> I am stunned that someone on this list would defend the rape of a child 
> (or any woman) simply because the rapist is an elite movie director who 
> has suffered some tragic events.

I don't know who is doing that.

Solidarity,
Ian 

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Gary MacLennan | 1 Oct 2009 01:44
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watching the Right

I have been indulging in some watching of the right wing intelligentsia at
work. this has primarily been in the field of Indigenous-White relations in
Australia. In particular I have been tracking the work of the New Right
-Peter Sutton, Noel Pearson and Marcia Langton. The home from home for this
trio is Rupert Murdoch's flag ship The Australian, which I force myself to
read from time to time. Which is why I came to be reading the paper
yesterday. On the same page as an article by Peter Sutton, I noticed a
column by Janet Albrechsten. (Wikipedia has a good entry on her). The
headline "Beware socialist snake-oil vendors- Today's purportedly new and
progressive ideas are in fact regressive and have failed us before".

Well that kick started the adrenaline!

What was interesting apart from the near mad tendency to blame the financial
crisis on governments using Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to "pursue well
meaning social goals that delivered disastrous consequences" was her  almost
conceding the ground on moral criticisms of capitalism. She mentions in
particular here the Moore film.

I don't have time to explore this fully but what I think is at work is that
folk like Alebrechsten fear that conservatives will be split off from the
radical right by moral critiques of capitalism. Will return to this theme
when I have the time.  Back to marking!

regards

Gary
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Mark Lause | 1 Oct 2009 02:21
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Re: Gore Vidal interview in the Times

Actually, I think of him as a classic bourgeois radical...almost in the
Gilded Age sense of the term.

In fact, I can almost hear him sitting around a Boston tea room and
discussing Bellamy's LOOKING BACKWARD and his arguments for a smarter, more
rational world.  : - )

The "wooly" thinking is much a function of his long self-exile abroad than
his politics.

ML
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Mark Lause | 1 Oct 2009 02:26
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Re: culture

If you think American TV has destroyed French culture, imagine the impact
it's had here...

If we get one more forensic-based crime-stopper law-and-order
techie-as-cowboy-hero show, I'm going to watch nothing more than
documentaries.  Most of them are about Hitler, who was apparently a bad man
and an occultist...or bigfoot...or ghost hunting.  (I note that tonights
Ghosthunters on the SciFi channel will have Meatloaf as a guest.)

The best thing about television is that it drives people back to
reading....  I hope....

ML
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Adam Richmond | 1 Oct 2009 03:23
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Re: The Victim's Words: Samantha Geimer

"I am stunned that someone on this list would defend the rape ...."
Have I defended a rape? 
I have given the right of the victim of the crime to speak.  You apparently disagree with her conclusions to
have her own say in the matter for the greater good of the bourgeois courts. The judge proved his inability
to honor the plea agreement.   
And a million dollars, or what ever she negotiated, probably helped her more that his jailing. The question
here is who decides.  Does the court deserve a second chance, despite the victim's opinion.
Adam

      
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Daniel Koechlin | 1 Oct 2009 03:24
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Yankees

Americans like to think in terms of "first causes". This is due to their 
historical grounding in the bible (the word of God).

Once they have established a principle, they like to follow it to its 
ultimate conclusion, however grotesque the results.

That's why they have guns (because of the right to bear arms), the death 
penalty (he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword) and no health 
care (a guy must work heard to earn his living, health is  not included, 
BECAUSE health is a matter of "personal" choice).

That's why 90% of Americans believe in God, as compared to 45% of 
European people.

The Americans are decidedly anti-dialectic.

They are rigid, uncompromising and "tough".

And therefore, they LOVE the law. The constituion says this ... The 
constitution says that ... Such and such a "legal thing" means this ... 
"Authority" means this ... "Civil rights" means that ...

They are a nation of lawyers.

And such a mindset is so easy to manipulate. You just need Fox news and 
CNN. Just lead people from "first causes" to logical conclusions.

Polanski had sex with a minor thirty years ago... ERGO... He must be 
sentenced in California... ERGO... he must be extradited... ERGO...

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David Picón Álvarez | 1 Oct 2009 03:32
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Re: Yankees

From: "Daniel Koechlin" <d.koechlin <at> wanadoo.fr>
> The Americans are decidedly anti-dialectic.

And that statement isn't?

A European here, and I'm not convinced the distinction is quite as you put 
it. Though maybe a useful way to think about it is the distinction between 
procedural and distributive justice. And yet I think these analyses of 
culture tend to be a bit, if not anti-dialectic, certainly non-materialist. 
A culture is not an expression of some national absolute spirit in 
development or some such, but it must derive from material causes. Not so?

--David.

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Greg McDonald | 1 Oct 2009 04:15
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Re: [Fwd: On the Kraft/Terrabusi conflict] (quickly translated)

Discomfort, surprise, unease, and confusion. The public call of the
United States for the national and provincial authorities to reach an
"appropriate solution" to the situation of the Kraft Foods Company,
with its base of north american capital, has sounded an alarm to the
government of Cristina Kirchner and has thrown a blanket of doubt onto
the future of serpentine, bilateral relations with Washington.

One day after this diplomatic call was put out by the administration
of Barack Obama, and in an atmosphere of social tension--with workers'
marches in distinct points of the country and with the conflict still
unresolved--the Pink House abruptly suspended yesterday a scheduled
meeting between the Head of the Cabinet, Anibal Fernandez, and the
North American Ambassador to Buenos Aires, Vilma Socorro Martinez.

The meeting was scheduled for 11 o'clock yesterday, according to
Fernandez' office, and had been arranged between the parties ten days
before with the objective of opening a channel for dialogue between
the embassy and one of the principal cabinet ministers. But at 9:30 it
was cancelled.

The official explanation of the Government was that the head of the
Cabinet received a call from President Kirchner, and was forced to
modify his schedule to go to the residence in Olivos. The peculiar
part of this case is that the minister shares an office with the Head
of State, and literally works side by side with the President. "This
has no relation to the Kraft case", was the first statement given by
ministry spokespersons.

Meanwhile, in the north american embassy there reigned the usual
prudence with respect to diplomatic ruptures. "The embassy does not
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Greg McDonald | 1 Oct 2009 04:29
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Re: Yankees

Daniel K. wrote:

"Americans like to think in terms of "first causes". This is due to their
historical grounding in the bible (the word of God).

Once they have established a principle, they like to follow it to its
ultimate conclusion, however grotesque the results.

That's why they have guns (because of the right to bear arms), the death
penalty (he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword) and no health
care (a guy must work heard to earn his living, health is not included,
BECAUSE health is a matter of "personal" choice).

That's why 90% of Americans believe in God, as compared to 45% of
European people.

The Americans are decidedly anti-dialectic.

They are rigid, uncompromising and "tough".

And therefore, they LOVE the law. The constituion says this ... The
constitution says that ... Such and such a "legal thing" means this ...
"Authority" means this ... "Civil rights" means that ...

They are a nation of lawyers.

And such a mindset is so easy to manipulate. You just need Fox news and
CNN. Just lead people from "first causes" to logical conclusions.

Polanski had sex with a minor thirty years ago... ERGO... He must be
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