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Jeffrey Thomas Piercy | 1 Oct 01:47
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Re: Maoists appoint 'living goddess', Re: Prachanda welcomed by revolutionary

Ruthless Critic of All that Exists wrote:
> Disturbing news from Nepal.....

The "Maoists" didn't appoint her, they gave someone permission to 
appoint her. She is a religious symbol and has no power, though at least 
up until now her predecessors have lived "lives of extreme privilege", 
according to the article. You would prefer they make enemies of the 
devout in Nepal in order to make a political point?

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Joaquin Bustelo | 1 Oct 02:14
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Re: nader calls bernanke/paulson

Walter writes: "Fidel Castro ... associates socialism with things he
supports and advocates... Nader, by contrast, didn't even mention socialism
during his visit to Cuba in 2002.... Nader is a well-meaning person, but
he's just not a socialist. Why is that so difficult for some people to
understand?"

Walter, the reason it is "difficult to understand" is because what you're
saying is BULLSHIT. And you KNOW it is bullshit, and you're just trolling
here.

Why don't you go join a KKK or CANF mailing list, where your disruptions
would do some good?

Joaquin

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Joaquin Bustelo | 1 Oct 02:53
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Re: Attention McKinney supporters

Eli writes: "Yeah, us "hyper-socialists" thought it might be a good idea to
support someone who doesn't think the word "socialism" is an epithet.
Imagine that."

Whether "socialism" is an epithet is U.S. society depends not at all on what
the illuminati of the left imagine it should mean to people,  but what it
does, in fact, mean to masses of people.

In my experience, socialism means Big Brother state control of your life,
like under Hitler and Stalin, at best, the Gulag or a firing squad at worst
-- like under Hitler and Stalin. Unless you get real unlucky and get a Pol
Pot and half the population of country gets exterminated in a year or two. 

This all reminds me of a talk I heard Peter Camejo give a third of a century
ago, as best I remember. He was speaking to a Young Socialist Alliance
convention, motivating signing up for petitioning teams to put the SWP on
the ballot in as many states as possible, and relating his experiences
petitioning in upstate New York in 1960 to meet a "distribution"
requirement. 

He explained how you got these statements from the ACLU or a judge or
something in favor of third parties being allowed to participate and this
being part of democracy and all that, and used that statement on an index
card to cover up the name of the party and the candidates at the top of the
petition sheet. And he related going up to a middle aged woman and recounted
the motherhood-and-apple-pie spiel he presented --basically, if you didn't
sign, you were a Benedict Arnold running guns to the Brits at the Battle of
Bunker Hill and trying to sink Washington's rowboat while crossing the
Potomac-- and the woman was just about to sign when she hesitated and said,
"you're not communists, are you?"
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Ruthless Critic of All that Exists | 1 Oct 03:52
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Re: The Current Crisis: A Socialist Perspective

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Les Schaffer <schaffer <at> optonline.net> wrote:
> i've added two members of marxmail who requested access. others can join
> by sending me their email addresses, or simply click to
>
>    http://marxmail.pbwiki.com/
>
> and click on the "Request Access" and i will approve the request if i
> know you are part of marxmail.

Why not make it at least *readable* (though not writeble)  to
non-Marxmailers? Do we not want the widest possible dissemination of
this thing?

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David Walters | 1 Oct 04:19
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Re: Attention McKinney supporters [JB's BS on 'socialist]

Everything Joaquin states would be true...if he wasn't peddling us a 
line of BS on the use of the term "socialist".

Marx and Engels MAY of felt the term communist was more appropriate (and 
here Joaquin himself says they hardly ever used it) but who, quite 
frankly, gives a shit? Really. Joaquin would have you believe, though, 
that "socialist" is a bit of "dodge" as if this term is what people 
think of when they think of Hitler or Stalin (hardly, people are far 
more intelligent than that) but, in Joaquin's mind (probably driven 
crazy chasing down fuel for his car in gasoline scarce Atlanta) 
"communism", now, that's the term to use!

If Joaquin want's to use the petitioning story...I heard this from Peter 
also, btw, fine. It's still bullshit. In any *conversation* with real 
people, not the make believe world of Joaquin, it's up to the person 
raising the subject of socialism to define it. There is a sort of 
ambiguity (as opposed to a "dodge") with using the term because one is 
*ineviteably* asked, perciesly because you didn't use the term 
"communist" (or, in real peoples mind: FUCKING COMMIE), what do I mean 
by "socialism". Thankyouverymuch. I'm asked *most of the time* when ever 
I have a real conversation with people unfamiliar with my politics. So, 
socialism is GOOD, keep using it and never, in the US, use the 
Joaquinism of "Communist", like our junior Ms. Barnes would have you do.

Lastly, as I noted in paragraph two, Marx and Engels may of preferred 
the term "communist" but most of their followers most definetly DID NOT. 
They used "S O C I A L I S T".  Or it's even more ambiguous term "Social 
Democrat". This is especially true after the 1860s. As in "German Social 
Democratic Workers Party" or the SOCIALIST Workers Party of Spain, of 
the SOCIALIST Labor Party of the US or, as Engels preferred when he
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Les Schaffer | 1 Oct 04:21

Re: The Current Crisis: A Socialist Perspective

Ruthless Critic of All that Exists wrote:
> Why not make it at least *readable* (though not writeble)  to
> non-Marxmailers? Do we not want the widest possible dissemination of
> this thing?

because  i assumed it would let anyone view it. does that answer your 
question?

i just made it world-readable.

les

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Néstor Gorojovsky | 1 Oct 05:00
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Re: Attention McKinney supporters

Joaquín remembers Peter Camejo telling a youthful audience of the YSL
«how you got these statements from the ACLU or a judge or something in
favor of third parties being allowed to participate and this being
part of democracy and all that, and used that statement on an index
card to cover up the name of the party and the candidates at the top
of the petition sheet. And he related going up to a middle aged woman
and recounted the motherhood-and-apple-pie spiel he presented
--basically, if you didn't sign, you were a Benedict Arnold running
guns to the Brits at the Battle of Bunker Hill and trying to sink
Washington's rowboat while crossing the Potomac-- and the woman was
just about to sign when she hesitated and said, "you're not
communists, are you?"  And Peter, play acting himself, put on an
outraged face and said, feigning tremendous offense, "Excuse Me!!!!"
To which, as he related it, the woman replied, "of course not," and
signed.»

A principled opportunist. Like Lenin...

I don't think it wrong to play judo with the ruling class, by taking
their own revolutionary traditions and showing that it is us, not
them, who follow those traditions.

On the other hand, as Joaquín remembers, it is certainly not a matter of names.

In 1972, a bunch of young militants of the Partido Socialista de la
Izquierda Nacional took to the deepest corners of Argentinean
miserable neighborhoods in order to obtain support for our legal
party, the Frente de Izquierda Popular, to exist. I was one of them.

Once, I remember I was collecting signatures on the affiliation cards
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Lüko Willms | 1 Oct 07:14
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Germany's rulers take their distance from US, declare end of US economic dominance


  "In a speech before parliament on Thursday [September 25, 2008], 
German Finance Minister Peer Steinbrück said the effects of the financial 
markets crisis would be felt in economies and labor markets worldwide 
for years to come. 'The world will never be the same as it was before 
the crisis,' the Social Democrat said, adding, 'the US will lose its status as 
the superpower of the global financial system.' " writes "Der Spiegel" 
(english edition) at 
><http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,580501,00.html>

and "The minister reiterated his rejection of calls from Washington for 
Germany to create a bailout fund for failing financial institutions based 
on the US model. With a proposed $700 billion bailout package, the US 
government is hoping to stop the banking crisis. 'More than anything, the 
finance market is an American problem,' Steinbrück said.
He also accused the US of serious failures, saying the Americans had 
been hesitant to introduce stricter rules requiring larger capital reserves 
at banks. 'The US is the source of the crisis and it is the focus of the 
crisis,' he said. "

  "Four days later, Steinbrück launched the largest financial rescue 
action in postwar Germany, offering _26.6 billion ($38.3 billion) of a 
combined _35 billion line of credit to bailout Hypo Real Estate (HRE), the 
country's second-largest commercial property lender, which had 
considerable business in the US real estate market. " writes Der Spiegel 
in an article entitled "The world from Berlin: 'No More Cause for Feeling 
Schadenfreude'" 
<http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,581457,00.html>  
and continues "For Germans and Europeans, the crisis has arrived. On 
Sunday, the governments of Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg
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Ruthless Critic of All that Exists | 1 Oct 07:21
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Re: Karl Marx vs the crisis-deniers ...Re: Michael Heinrich versus the crisis-mongerers

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Steve Palmer <spalmer999 <at> yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> What is meant by 'collapse', 'crisis' etc? In opponents of crisis theory, the
> straw-man dummy version is usually the idea that 'collapse' means that
> capitalism just falls flat on its face, all of its own accord, at some point,
> unable ever to rise again. I don't think Marx thought that, ever, certainly not
> in 1857-8, and Henryk Grossman didn't think that.

October 1, 2008
Op-Ed Contributor
This Economy Does Not Compute
By MARK BUCHANAN

Notre-Dame-de-Courson, France

<http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/opinion/01buchanan.html?ref=opinion>

"Financial crises may emerge naturally from the very makeup of
markets, as competition between investment enterprises sets up a race
for higher leverage, driving markets toward a precipice that we cannot
recognize even as we approach it. The model offers a potential
explanation of why we have another crisis narrative every few years,
with only the names and details changed. [...]

Sadly, the academic economics profession remains reluctant to embrace
this new computational approach (and stubbornly wedded to the
traditional equilibrium picture). This seems decidedly peculiar given
that every other branch of science from physics to molecular biology
has embraced computational modeling as an invaluable tool for gaining
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Jeffrey Thomas Piercy | 1 Oct 08:29
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Maoists appoint 'living goddess', Re: Prachanda welcomed by revolutionary

My response is at the bottom. Although I defended the new government's 
decision, it's still very a enlightening story.

Ruthless Critic of All that Exists wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Greg Butterfield <gregb <at> wwpublish.com> wrote:
> 
>> Prime Minister Prachanda is chairperson of the Communist
>> Party of Nepal (Maoist) and led the people's war that
>> ousted Nepal's monarchy and old parliamentary system. The
>> CPN(M) won a decisive victory in constitutent assembly
>> elections held earlier this year.
> 
> Disturbing news from Nepal.....
> 
> 
> Maoists appoint 'living goddess'
> 
> 
> Nepal's new Maoist-led government has authorised the appointment of a
> six-year-old girl to be a "living goddess" in the temple town of
> Bhaktapur.  [...]
> 
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7642798.stm>

Me: "The "Maoists" didn't appoint her, they gave someone permission to
appoint her. She is a religious symbol and has no power, though at least
up until now her predecessors have lived "lives of extreme privilege",
according to the article. You would prefer they make enemies of the
devout in Nepal in order to make a political point?"
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