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Craig Brozefsky | 1 Jul 01:11
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McKinney and the Reconstruction Party Was: just back from the national assembly conference....,


"Mark Lause" <markalause <at> gmail.com> writes:

> document circulated by the campaign.  How many 9-page pieces of
> campaign literature has the campaign issued?

I assume it contains this document, or some variation of it:

http://www.runcynthiarun.org/ReconstructionManifesto

   Note: This Draft Manifesto was produced by a group of
   Reconstruction Party activists who met in New Orleans on Saturday,
   Jan. 26 in support of the International Days of Action against
   Neo-Liberalism. This draft is being submitted for wide discussion
   and amendments to all activists interested in joining the effort to
   build a Reconstruction Party. Sister Cynthia McKinney participated
   in this meeting and contributed to this Draft Manifesto.

> This begins "Want REAL CHANGE?  SUpport Cynthia McKineey's Poer to the
> People Presidential Campaign!"  It ends with the Draft Manifesto for a
> Reconstruction Party and the line "please visist Cynthia McKinney's
> website at . . . ." without giving the URL

It is not clear to me what was disturbing about it (other than editing
problems).

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Mark Lause | 1 Jul 01:47
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Re: McKinney and the Reconstruction Party Was: just back from the national assembly conference....,

OK, it's clear that the first three pages are from the _Socialist Organizer_.
http://www.socialistorganizer.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=156&Itemid=28

The last part of the circular is a variation of this draft.

ML

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Louis Proyect | 1 Jul 01:52
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Re: McKinney and the Reconstruction Party Was: just back from the national assembly conference....,

At 07:47 PM 6/30/2008, you wrote:
>OK, it's clear that the first three pages are from the _Socialist Organizer_.
>http://www.socialistorganizer.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=156&Itemid=28
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>The last part of the circular is a variation of this draft.
>
>ML

American Lambertistes. Très exotique. 

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David Walters | 1 Jul 01:55
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Re: More liberal wisdom on oil

As usual, Joaquín (finally found that accented "í" key!!!) writes a 
provocative essay, this time on energy.

He does however make some generalities I'd like to  address. Here is a 
little essay in response.

= = = =

Iron ore, etc, etc, etc, etc.

I'm not sure where the focus on "iron ore" came from. Most steel is not 
made from iron ore. Steel represents the single greatest recycled 
material known to humanity, second only to...water. And even here steel 
has water beat since *most* steel is recycled eventually, whereas most 
water is dumped into the ocean where it combines with NaCL and becomes 
useless saltwater.

The Chinese expansion has caused all sorts of interesting commodity 
statistics to raise it's peaks and valley's...including steel. The PRC 
now is the biggest consumer of scrap steel in the world. Should it 
surprise anyone that scrap steel, the most important 'raw' material in 
steel making should go up in price? Does anyone care? Would it surprise 
anyone that that *over 90%* of the worlds erected cranes...the big 
thingees you see on top of most construction sites....are in China right 
now? Would it surprise anyone then that the price for this singular 
piece of construction equipment which has to be assembled on site, has 
doubled and tippled in 10 years? At my plant where I work, our 2005 
overhaul was actually delayed 1 full year because so many orders for 
structural steel had poured in that our contractor, Babcock & Wilcox 
couldn't order the material we need because it was all being shipped to
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S. Artesian | 1 Jul 01:56
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Re: More liberal wisdom on oil

One more thing, we really need to look at regarding iron ore prices is---  
shipping costs.  Baltic Dry Index, after tumbling in November is above 
previous record highs-- shipping costs are approaching 30-40% of the price 
of the commodity for certain bulk shipments. That was part of the reason I 
posted the reference to the FT article on P&G whose transportation costs now 
exceed factory operating costs.

I am not certain, but I think shipping costs are paid up front by the ore 
producers.  Would appreciate it if anybody has confirmation (or the 
opposite).

But.....dry bulk shipping  tonnage under construction and scheduled to 
become operational in the next 3 years is also at a record level, and 
despite my record at prediction (Carter will beat Reagan, Yankees in 7 over 
Arizona) I will hazard a guess that there is going to be a big, big 
recession and prices for shipping and basic commodities will tumble.  And 
Carter will beat Reagan.

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David Walters | 1 Jul 02:17
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Re: McKinney and the Reconstruction Party Was: just back from the national assembly conference....,

"...Socialist Organizer...". I suspect given the timing that the 
editorial was based on the Reconstruction Manifesto not the other way 
around. [Or...Socialist Organizer is a lot more influential than people 
thought.]

At any rate, I'm curious as to what is disturbing about this document?

David

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Lajany Otum | 1 Jul 03:07
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China's capitalist road

What if China were capitalist, in spite of official pronouncements 
to
the contrary? Economic geographers Dick Walker and Daniel Buck 
talk
about the massive transformation that has taken place in that 
country
and how we can best understand it through the lens of 
Marxist political
economy.

<http://aud1.kpfa.org/data/20080630-Mon1200.mp3>

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Ruthless Critic of All that Exists | 1 Jul 03:45
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Zizek, Critchley, "open borders" and finite/infinite demands

I know I am risking the ire of Mike Friedman and others by raising
this question, but I think this question is an important one and Zizek
has a very interesting point about this that is worth discussing.

Is "open borders now" a demand Marxists should be making?

(Of course, it's an irreproachable demand).

A recent article from the ISO said, "The slogan "No one is
illegal" is not merely a moral imperative, but one based on the idea that so
long as workers allow themselves to be pitted against each other, so long
will they remain weak, exploited victims of capitalism."

But if border controls were removed, so many workers from elsewhere
would immediately move to the USA that US workers' wages would still
plummet down even more from current levels.

"Open borders" is an "infinite demand" (in the terminology of the
debate between Zizek and Critchley -- see
<http://www.readysteadybook.com/Blog.aspx?permalink=20080605062449>).

I think the question remains open: should we as leftists raise
"infinite" demands, or "finite" demands? I have not been able to make
up my mind on this question.

I think Zizek in his new book makes a pretty convincing case in favor
of raising "finite" demands. Zizek has written:

"The lesson here is that the truly subversive thing is not to insist
on 'infinite' demands we know those in power cannot fulfil. Since they
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Shawn Redden | 1 Jul 03:45
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Re: just back from the national assembly conference....,

Could you please send me the file?  Much obliged.

Shawn

On 6/30/08, Mark Lause <markalause <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There was only one antiwar conference in Cleveland and only one
> document circulated by the campaign.  How many 9-page pieces of
> campaign literature has the campaign issued?
>
> This begins "Want REAL CHANGE?  SUpport Cynthia McKineey's Poer to the
> People Presidential Campaign!"  It ends with the Draft Manifesto for a
> Reconstruction Party and the line "please visist Cynthia McKinney's
> website at . . . ." without giving the URL
>
> As I have repeatedly said, anyone wanting a pdf scan can ask me
> privately and I will send it.   I've already done this for about a
> half a dozen people who requested it.  But clearly it's more fun to
> shriek ....
>
>
> ML
>
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Shawn Redden | 1 Jul 03:47
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Re: just back from the national assembly conference....,

Apologies, all.
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