Ozleft | 1 Dec 01:15
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Re: 100, 000 progressive Australians provide the push to sink the Howard government

The desperate tone of Nick Fredman, Dave Riley and Norm Dixon writing on 
the Australian elections sounds a bit like one side of a conversation. 
How about letting us hear the other side, Nick, Dave and Norm? What does 
the DSP minority have to say? Your comments don't make a lot of sense 
unless you're responding mainly to someone who's not included in the 
discussion.

Ed Lewis

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Dbachmozart | 1 Dec 01:20
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UPDATE FROM THE ELECTRONIC INTIFADA


UPDATE FROM THE
ELECTRONIC  INTIFADA

<http://electronicIntifada.net>
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Palestine  : Art, Music & Culture:

SHADES OF GREY: NUSSEIBEH'S "ONCE UPON A  COUNTRY"
By Miko Peled, The Electronic Intifada, 30 November 2007

In  his new historical autobiography Once Upon A Country,
Dr. Sari Nusseibeh, who  many accuse of selling out due to
his comments regarding the right of return,  highlights the
shades of grey in a conflict that most people prefer to
see  in black and white. Miko Peled reviews Nusseibeh's new
book and finds that it  shows that neither Rabin, or Barak
or any other Israeli prime minister had  ever intended to
make peace with the Palestinians. Their intention was,  and
still is, to turn the Palestinian people into "hewers of
wood and  drawers of water" for the Jewish state that was
established on the ashes of a  country that, as the book
title suggests, once upon a time  existed.

<http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article9132.shtml>

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Palestine  : Opinion/Editorial:
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Joaquin Bustelo | 1 Dec 03:27
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Chavez's speech today

	Chavez spoke to a huge crowd in Caracas late this afternoon. It was
by a significant amount the hardest speech I've ever heard from him, mostly
to the effect of "Go ahead, make my day." (No, I'm not in Venezuela. I
listened to it -- most of it at any rate -- at work, where we have access to
the satellite signals of the government VTV and the opposition Globo
channel).

	Chavez has ordered the military to protect the oilfields and other
installations and warned that if there is any sabotage, any US-inspired
disturbances Sunday night, oil shipments to the U.S. will be cut off
immediately. He singled out the bourgeois media and said that any attempt to
violate the law --which forbids publishing polls in the week before the
election and (alleged) election results before polls close-- will lead to
their immediate shutdown. He warned international broadcasters --and CNN by
name, and repeatedly-- that this or any other sort of shenanigans will be
met with the expulsion of their staff from the country.

	He's also expressed very clearly the line he has taken especially
since coming back from abroad, that this referendum is an up-and-down,
yes-or-no vote on the revolution and his presidency. I'm sure the ultralefts
will go, "Aha! Bonapartist plebiscite!" But sometimes you've just got to
call things by their right name. That is what the fight is about -- not
whether the subordinate clause in article 53 is infelicitously worded.

	And he made very clear what being with the revolution means -- it
means going against the oligarchs, against Uribe, against the American
imperialists, against the King of Spain, against the European imperialists,
and being in solidarity with progressive and revolutionary forces throughout
the world in general and with Fidel in particular. 

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Joaquin Bustelo | 1 Dec 03:45
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Re: Signs of Brainwashing

Ghulam Mustafa Lakho writes: "I find myself unable to get your point."

OK, for the literal minded: 

My point is: what was YOUR point in posting the link? Why did you think it
worthy to bring to our attention RIGHT NOW an article from eight years ago? 

When Louis posts, for example, the link to a new MR piece on Venezuela, the
political reason for that is self-evident. But when it is an old article
about "brainwashing" in general, which as used here appears to be a
euphemism for torture, that's not the case.

Ghulam Mustafa Lakho writes: "you have committed the logical fallacy, for
the reasons best known to you; the fallacy, which is known as argumentum ad
hominem."

Jeesh. It was a joke. Did you miss that? And the reason for the FORM of the
joke is that quite literally you presented no argument AT ALL. Had I wanted
to comment on what you said I could not have because you said nothing. 

"Reductio ad absurdum" and all that, which pretty much exhausts my stash of
Latin phrases.

Joaquín

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Alan Bradley | 1 Dec 03:49
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Re: 100, 000 progressive Australians provide the push to sink the Howard government

From: "Ed Lewis"
> The desperate tone of Nick Fredman, Dave Riley and
> Norm Dixon writing on the Australian elections
> sounds a bit like one side of a conversation. How
> about letting us hear the other side, Nick, Dave and
> Norm? What does the DSP minority have to say?

You know, Ed, you never post anything that isn't an
exercise in trolling, these days.

Clearly if "the DSP minority" have anything to say
they should say it, but frankly I don't see why they
would bother feeding trolls like you.

The "letting us hear the other side" bit is
particularly sleazy. It implies either that "the DSP
minority" is being silenced by "the DSP majority", or
that supporters of the DSP majority are somehow
obliged to speak on the minority's behalf.

I think it is obvious why "go fuck yourself" is the
first answer that comes to mind.

Incidentally, very few Greens engage in the kind of
sectarian performing seal behaviour you induge in.
Perhaps you should think about that.

Alan Bradley

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Fred Feldman | 1 Dec 04:39

Wall Street buoyed by indications govt will foot bill for lenders' mortgage crisise


ww
December 1, 2007

News Analysis
Despite Market Upturn, an Uncertain Economy 
By PETER S. GOODMAN
As Wall Street rallied this week, it seemed that investors were taking
comfort in the notion that the economy has become so imperiled by the
crumbling housing market that it is forcing the government to finally mount
an aggressive rescue effort.

Investors found reassurance yesterday in talk that the White House is
brokering a deal with banks that could diminish a looming tidal wave of home
foreclosures. Soothing words from the Federal Reserve earlier this week
revived the hope that more interest rate cuts are on the way, drowning
nervousness in a din of buying.

"The market now feels comfortable that the Fed has come to appreciate the
severity of the situation," said Robert Barbera, chief economist at the
brokerage and advisory firm ITG. "The bad news gives you the blessing of
lower interest rates."

But even as investors took heart in palpable signs that the government is
preparing to dole out more medicine for the ailing economy, a number of
economists cautioned that the pain itself is still unfolding, with its
ultimate magnitude far from known. 

Signs point to a slowdown in the creation of jobs and investments by
companies. Consumers are clutching their wallets more tightly. Banks are
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Walter Lippmann | 1 Dec 04:54
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Live Radio Streaming from Venezuela in English, French, and Portuguese

(Who said the revolution would not be televised?
I watched the Chavez rally today here in Cuba
where they have Venezuelan TV showing Chavez's
speech, and the monster rally they had today,
on the evening news.)
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Live Radio Streaming from Venezuela in English, French, and Portuguese
Radio Venezuela en Vivo:
Broadcasting Live from Venezuela's Constitutional Reform Referendum
http://radiovenezuelaenvivo.blogspot.com/

What is Radio Venezuela en Vivo?

Radio Venezuela en Vivo is an internet radio, launched by a group of international
journalists and academics based in Venezuela, to broadcast continual objective coverage
of Venezuela's upcoming Constitutional Reform Referendum. Radio Venezuela en
Vivo will principally broadcast in English and French, with support programs and
news coverage in Portuguese, Arab and other languages.

Why Radio Venezuela en Vivo?

As international observers of Venezuela's democratic process, the members of
Radio Venezuela en Vivo have witnessed first hand the campaign of media manipulation
in Venezuela, which has continued to intensify in the international media. In order
to counter the disinformation, and a potential media Coup d'Etat, as was the
case in April 2002, Radio Venezuela en Vivo will inform the international community
of the situation on the ground, with live 24 hour non-stop coverage during Venezuela's
December 2nd, Constitutional Reform Referendum.

Where and How to listen to Radio Venezuela en Vivo?
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glparramatta | 1 Dec 05:23
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Re: New Thabo Mbeki biography

See also http://www.amandla.org.za/Site/Fit_to_Gov_reviews.htm

Louis Proyect wrote:

>http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5eecdcbc-9192-11dc-9590-0000779fd2ac.html
>Inside the outsider
>Review by Alec Russell
>
>Thabo Mbeki: The Dream Deferred
>By Mark Gevisser
>Jonathan Ball Publishers R225, 892 pages
>  
>

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Steffie Brooks | 1 Dec 05:35
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Re: Live Radio Streaming from Venezuela in English, French, and Portuguese

I just visited Venezuela en Vivo and they say their stream is down due
to technical problems that they'll try to correct by Sunday.

But they also say you have to download a Windows application to listen
to their streams. As I'm on an old Mac, I'm afraid I won't be able to
listen on Sunday.

Does anyone know of other streams that will run on Mac applications
like RealPlayer?

Any advice appreciated.

Steffie

On 11/30/07, Walter Lippmann <walterlx <at> earthlink.net> wrote:

> ===============================================
> Live Radio Streaming from Venezuela in English, French, and Portuguese
> Radio Venezuela en Vivo:
> Broadcasting Live from Venezuela's Constitutional Reform Referendum
> http://radiovenezuelaenvivo.blogspot.com/
>

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Walter Lippmann | 1 Dec 05:46
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Bolivarian News Agency - Radio ABN

http://www.abn.info.ve/noticias_radioABN.php

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Walter Lippmann
Havana, Cuba
"Un paraíso bajo el bloqueo"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaNews/
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