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Lanasnest | 1 May 2004 01:04
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On being whole

  If we were to look at a newborn, in it's perfection, most humans (who 
possess a heart) would cry out at it's perfection.  If the baby had only one 
leg...we would pity it at best...or toss it over a cliff, or in a dumpster at worst. 
 Why?  Because it wasn't "whole."  We are biologically and psychologically 
manufactured to "spit out" the maimed.
   If we look for truth, we look for it's completeness.  In order to know if 
something then is true, we must see the beginning, and the end needs to come 
into agreement with it's beginning.
   If we look at an Ecosystem, we marvel how "perfect" it is (that is w/o 
mans intervention).  If we are hurt...we go to the doctor to make things "whole" 
again...do we not?  So what does it mean to be whole?  This is why I 
challenged our "physicists and mathematic friends" to look at a circle.
   In order for something to be whole, it must be complete.  When Jesus (OH 
GOD the J word!) healed someone, he said "be ye whole" what do you think he 
meant?  Perfect?  No...think some more...
   Lucaks said, "...to go beyond this immediacy can only mean the genesis, 
the creation of the object."  Creation?  Genesis?  How does the bible start?  I 
(and most scientist) dont believe that the creation came from NOTHING it 
obviously came from SOMETHING.
   The bible says that the "word was"...the mere thought from god created 
something...back to another subject...does thought have force?  Marx said,"theory 
has also become a material force as soon as it has gripped the masses."  
Where do you think he got that "thought"?

Lana
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Carrol Cox | 1 May 2004 01:39

Re: On being whole


Lanasnest <at> aol.com wrote:
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>   If we were to look at a newborn, in it's perfection, most humans (who
> possess a heart) would cry out at it's perfection.  If the baby had only one
> leg...we would pity it at best...or toss it over a cliff, or in a dumpster at worst.
>  Why?  Because it wasn't "whole."  We are biologically and psychologically
> manufactured to "spit out" the maimed.

Lana, for heaven's sake, slow down. You have said on other posts that
you want to learn, but this sort of spontaneous spouting (and the
spontaneous is almost always the general -- capitalist -- culture
speaking _through_ you) is a barrier to ever learning anything. The
sentences above are perfect garbage. Millions of people have tended
carefully and lovingly to "defective" infants. And it is equally garbage
that "most people" cry out at the "perfection" of the newborn. I mean
really -- you are being silly.

And we are not "manufactured" in _any_ sense, to spit out or not spit
out anything.

As of now you do not have the remotest idea of what it means to think
historically. And it can't be learned easily or at once. But that is of
the essence of being a marxist, and the first step on the road to
thinking historically is to come to the realization that your whole life
has taught you nothing but the _anti-historical_ -- which is why your
spontaneous thought is always an expression of capitalist ideology. (By
ideology I mean "common sense" not subjected to historical critique.)

Carrol
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Lanasnest | 1 May 2004 01:50
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Re: On being whole

   Up until now, I have only heard you negate another's ideals...capitalistic 
garbage.  At least I have "Ideals" what do your spoutings have?  At least my 
"shouts" have an ounce of human hope.  What do YOU have?  Look at yourself, 
and form something that will last a day.,..let alone millennium.

Lana
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Lanasnest | 1 May 2004 02:19
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on being whole

   By the way...it is called "natural selection" was Darwin a "Capitalist", 
too?
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Tony Abdo | 1 May 2004 01:29
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Lula to Bail Bush Out on Haiti

This action by Lula should shoot down for good any thought that he is trying 
to bring about any fundamental change in the Americas.  He is supplying 
backup for a US coup there.  It's hard to imagine stooping any lower.

Council Authorizes U.N. Mission in Haiti
Fri Apr 30
By EDITH M. LEDERER, Associated Press Writer

UNITED NATIONS - The Security Council authorized a wide-ranging U.N. mission 
in Haiti Friday with more than 8,000 troops and police, as well as political 
and human rights experts to help stabilize the troubled Caribbean nation.

The U.N. mission will start on June 1 for an initial period of six months, 
but the council said it intends to renew the mandate, a signal of its 
agreement with Secretary-General Kofi Annan (news - web sites) that a 
long-term U.N. commitment is essential to turn Haiti into a functioning 
democracy.

The U.N. Stabilization Mission in Haiti — to be known as MINUSTAH — is the 
latest in a string of international plans to help Haiti. Despite those 
efforts, the country remains unstable, undeveloped and the Western 
Hemisphere's poorest.

Ten international missions to Haiti have failed in the last decade because 
of a lack of sustained commitment, the U.N. special envoy to Haiti, Reginald 
Dumas, said in March.

"I hope with this we'll be there for the long haul and not lose patience as 
we did in the past," Chile's U.N. Ambassador Heraldo Munoz said Friday.
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Michael Perelman | 1 May 2004 03:11
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Re: [PEN-L] The Jesus Factor

Do people really believe the story about the devout Bush?  Some of the
incidents reported coincide with his wild days.  It sounded like a puff
job to me.
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Tom O'Lincoln | 1 May 2004 03:17
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A working class book launch

Last night Liz Ross launched her book on struggles in the Australian
building industry, called "Dare to Struggle, Dare to Win!" The launch
was a bit of a  landmark event for the Melbourne trade union left. The
subject is the Builders Labourers Federation (BLF) struggle against
government moves to destroy it in the 1980s.

Over 200 people were there at Trades Hall, at least half of them blue
collar militants. Some of the latter bought two or three books each,
having brought money from others unable to attend. An amazing number of
people lined up to get Liz to sign their copies. In the aftermath, any
number were also getting each others' signatures on the book. This book
is their story.

Big Bob Mancor led off the formal part of the event with the "Builders
Labourers' Song. The crowd of militants and activists sang:

Whether you were born here, or born in Italy
In Greece or Spain or Ireland, in England or Fiji
We all of us are workers, united we must stand
Until the greedy bludgers [parasites] have been driven from our land.

So keep your powder dry
And hold your head up high
It's class to class and face to face
Our limit is the sky…

He was followed by George Despard reading two poems, one of them ending:

Bad luck you dopey bastards
The BLF's still here.
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Jose G. Perez | 1 May 2004 04:29

RE: Alan Woods in Venezuela

David Murray writes: "Chavez is paying more attention to a small
Trotskyist grouping than it is to the sycophants, and gureilla
romanticists who laud 'Bolivarism' more than the 'Bolivarists'. A source
of dissapointment for many on this list."

Do not deceive yourself. Chávez pays LOTS of attention to LOTS of
different groups on his televised weekly show, Aló Presidente. The show
is on every Sunday, and usually goes on for several hours. If you are
Venezuela's friend, he will be your friend. He figures that's his role
as Venezuela's President, I think. 

I would not take his expression of a warm, open-hearted nature as an
indication of any specific ideological affinity on his part. He isn't
"paying a lot more attention to" that small Trot group than he does to
literally scores of others in any given month, everyone from some small
convent somewhere to a noted local singer who has a new record out.

The one he does seem to pay a lot more attention to, and treats with
what seems to be a very sincere deference, is Fidel. And from time to
time they're on  the phone together on the air.

Don't know if that was the guerrilla romanticist you had in mind...

José

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Jon Flanders | 1 May 2004 05:16
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Career Opportunities


from an admiring puff piece about the Janis Karpinski, the US female
officer that headed  the Abu Gharib prison.

Jon Flanders

full:http://www.sptimes.com/2003/12/14/Worldandnation
/Her_job__Lock_up_Iraq.shtml

""..........Karpinski notes, with pride, that female soldiers under her
command do the same kind of work as men. "Over the last 10 years, (the
Army) has become an example of how men and women of every religion and
ethnic background are offered the same opportunities. Occasionally the
good old boy network is in place, but it used to be 90 percent of the
time. Now it's 10 percent of the time."

But Karpinski knows many people still regard female soldiers as a
different breed, as shown by the attention to the story of Pvt. Jessica
Lynch.

"It did seem like a lot of hype, but she was probably the only female
prisoner of war who was injured and dramatically rescued. . . . I don't
think she wanted to be singled out other than as an example of a young
soldier" - Karpinski stresses the word soldier - "caught in an unlikely
scenario and rescued."

In her civilian life, Karpinski is a consultant who runs grueling
executive training programs for those hoping to scale the corporate
ladder. The courses, which put participants under various kinds of
stress, are "not a lot of fun . . . but are a true test of the toughness
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g.maclennan | 1 May 2004 09:15
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The Iraqi Prisoner Scandal was Re: Career Opportunities


I enjoyed this item in a macabre sort of way.  For me to hear 
Kaminski boast about how women under her command do the same 
sort of work as men was the equivalent of the devil quoting 
scripture.

The whole scandal has become unbelievably damaging.  In many 
ways we Marxists are a poor of the impact of such affairs, 
because we are illusioned about the dialectics of 
Imperialism.  We know that entails dirty work, and that there 
are those ever eager to do it.  They have now been caught on 
camera. Moreover such is the prurience of the Crusaders that 
they will be more scandalised by the sight of these 
photographs than the unbridled slaughter in Fallujah.

On looking at the pictures I am reminded of Immanuel Levinas 
comment that when we make war on the Other we destroy the 
Same.  

For their American & British guards, the Iraqi prisoners 
are 'untermensch' - the Feared & Despised Other. But if we 
look at the photos we can see who have lost their humanity. 
Jennie England, the 21-year girl who is pictured smirking and 
pointing at the prisoner's genitals, has gone from being the 
same to herself becoming less than human.

Again I am reminded of Stan Goff's very moving letter to 
American soldiers begging them not to lose their humanity.  
Clearly in the case of the guards, this plea was ignored. 
Twenty years from now we will have while new generation of
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