Bijan Parsia | 11 Sep 2001 17:53
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Massive Attacks inside the US

World Trade Center towers collapsed after being hit by passager planes. And that's only the start.

Massive Attacks inside the US
By Bijan Parsia

   This is bad news. This is really bad news.

   They human toll is clearly going to be huge. You cannot collapse the
   World Trade Center towers after 9:00AM on a workday without killing
   a lot of people.

   It's a disaster.

   And it's not over. The attacks aren't even over (as far as I know).
   But what comes after the attacks is likely to be brutal and vicious.
   On all sides. And while these events completely destroy the myth of
   "Fortress America", they do nothing to damage the U.S. capacity for
   destruction. At all. The U.S. now has an powerful motive for using
   that capacity, perhaps the strongest, hardest to deny motive it has
   ever had.

   Restraint, the mere possibilty of restraint, will be nigh impossible
   to reference, much less acknowledge. It's hard even to think about.

   But we have so much destructive power, and such overwhelming reasons
   for using it, we have to think about restraint.

   We should not use nuclear weapons. This seems obvious, but it really
   must be stated.

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Gary Pupurs | 11 Sep 2001 18:45
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Significance of today's date?

This is unconfirmed, haven't heard it on TV yet, from an email list:

"Today is the anniversary of the peace treaty between Palestine and Israel 
signed at Camp David."

Actually, roughly speaking, this is two anniversaries. A year ago Barak and 
Arafat were meeting at Camp David, trying to hammer out peace, 
unsuccessfully. Similar peace treaties were also signed in September 1978 
by Egyptian President Anwar el-Sadat, Israeli Prime Minister Menachem 
Begin, and U.S. President Jimmy Carter.

We will see in time if in fact this is related to the attacks or not, since 
it's also being said that "Usama bin Ladin was reported several weeks ago 
to be planning an attack of an unprecedented attack, and this looks like 
his signature."

Mister Dubya, welcome to international politics. I don't think you're in 
Texas anymore...

Prayers and thoughts to those killed and their families...

-g

Bijan Parsia | 11 Sep 2001 19:01
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Re: Significance of today's date?

On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Gary Pupurs wrote:

> 
> This is unconfirmed, haven't heard it on TV yet, from an email list:

I've heard these also, but not from anything confirmed (and TV isn't
always a good confirmation :()

[snip]

> We will see in time if in fact this is related to the attacks or not, since 
> it's also being said that "Usama bin Ladin was reported several weeks ago 
> to be planning an attack of an unprecedented attack, and this looks like 
> his signature."

I don't know if there's any confirmation on the the "planning", but I'll
note that bin Ladin is the first and most popular accused. Happened after
the OK bombing (the phrase, "looks like his signature" means roughly,
"it's a bombing"...i.e., it's not based on any significant profile).

[snip]
> Prayers and thoughts to those killed and their families...

Indeed. And for everyone. There's going to be no easy living with this,
and after this.

Bijan.

Gary Pupurs | 11 Sep 2001 19:51
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Re: Significance of today's date?

>I don't know if there's any confirmation on the the "planning", but I'll
>note that bin Ladin is the first and most popular accused. Happened after
>the OK bombing (the phrase, "looks like his signature" means roughly,
>"it's a bombing"...i.e., it's not based on any significant profile).

Very true.  The truth is that anyone could have easily bought or simple 
chartered a few corporate jets and caused nearly the same amount of 
damage.  A scary thought.

My concern for the future, though, (at least regarding topics discussed on 
this list) is that NGOs will be further blocked from true participation in 
international meetings and conferences, including the upcoming World 
Summit, all in the name of 'security'.  And as for peaceful protesting, 
that will be even more difficult.  Expect further infractions on invididual 
and privacy rights, and probably a crackdown on encrypted email and other 
communications, only a year or so after the RSA encryption was allowed to 
be exported from the US...

-g

Kendall Clark | 12 Sep 2001 08:47
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should i pub this on MF too?

Folks,

Should I put this on MF too?

       Resist and Refuse Anti-Arab Racism!
       http://www.whiteprivilege.com/archives/0000035.html

Kendall

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Kendall Clark | 12 Sep 2001 22:16
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antiracism

>>>>> "alex" == Alex Lieber <alexedit68@...> writes:

  alex> I hope our citizens do not degenerate into hateful,
  alex> revenge-seeking madness against our fellow citizens who are
  alex> Arab or Muslim. I'll resist and defend against actions taken
  alex> against our fellow citizens.

  alex> But yes, I will look at every face that looks Middle Eastern a
  alex> little longer, and then scan over his body to see if he
  alex> constitutes a possible threat, especially in public places.

This is troublesome and undercuts what you've just said.

Let's just talk probabilities, huh? There are *maybe*, at the most
extreme case, 100 people of Middle East ethnicity in the US that might
have something to do, however remotely, with some kind of violent
plans or contingencies. *Maybe*.

There are 300,000,000 people in America, probably 15,000,000 of whom
are somehow Middle Eastern.

Do the fecking math!

  alex> We're at war now. I wish it weren't so.

Nope. There's been no formal declaration of that. No war powers have
been requested or granted the President.

Further, even if true, one of the most shameful things that's ever
happened in the US was the internment (and property seizure) of
Japanese-Americans.

Being suspicious of Arab-looking people fosters an irrational, hateful
climate, the kind that *eggs on* overreaction, rather than urges calm
and proportionality.

Kendall Clark

Kendall Clark | 13 Sep 2001 00:24
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test

sorry, please ignore

Kendall Clark | 13 Sep 2001 05:16
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Re: your mail

On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 10:19:00PM -0400, jane craig wheezed something about:
> kendall,

> thousands of people die in deliberate acts of cowardice and cruelty and
"the more immediate concern is the reaction of many americans"?!?  

Is this supposed to be a quote from something I wrote? 

>not one
word about the victims and the families?!?  

I said plenty about them; however, I chose to publish something else first.
So what? Do you demand complete ideological conformity?

>you have a very convoluted way
of looking at the world.  one that i'm glad i will never understand.  

So what is your obsession with me? You will never understand my convoluted
way of looking at the world, you're glad about that, and yet you feel some
need to email your inane questions. How odd.

>and
one that fortunately will always be on the margin.  don't bother to explain.
we've exchanged emails in the past and you often avoid simple answers to
open-ended questions. 

What's the question? Why did I write, in the aftermath of terrorist attcks,
that we should avoid racist responses? I wrote that because I think it's
important and, more crucially, because it's been conspicuously absent from
the responses of all national leaders; in fact, what we get from them
instead, as with Bush, is subtle appeals to racist myths about Arabs.

Is that simple enough for you?

Or maybe you were planning to load up with some of your buddies in your town
and shoot bullets into your nearest mosque?

Kendall Clark

Kendall Clark | 13 Sep 2001 07:16
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Re: your mail

On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 12:37:51AM -0400, jane craig wheezed something about:
> kendall,
> actually, i'll leave the terrorism to terrorists and their apologists. never
> have shot at anyone, neither have my friends.  quite frankly, that says more
> about you, your cause and those you support.

Being an apologist of terrorism is equivalent to *being* a terrorist? That's
interesting. I suppose you also claim that failing to "rally behind the
President" is tantamount to apologizing for terrorism? 

What does "that" (and I'm not sure what "that" is) say about me, my cause,
and those I support? Exactly what does it say? Your ambiguity and vague
language are a waste of both of our time. If you have claims to make, make
them clearly; your coyness is tiresome.

> the quote was taken directly from your website.  so, it's not "supposed" to
> be a quote...it is.  do you or do you not know what your name is attached to
> on your site?!?  and just who exactly is writing what you put your name on?

No, it isn't. It's a rough paraphrase with quote marks around it, which is
why I didn't immediately recognize it as something I'd written. I rarely
write sentences that crude or inapt.

What I meant, in the context in which I said it, was that there was a
concern that was more *immediate* than the other issues I'd just raised,
namely, 1) the degree to which US foreign policy contributes to or causes
international terrorism, and 2) the degree to which that policy is
explicitly or implicitly racist. That is, there is a concern more immediate
than *those two* concerns, which is not the same thing as saying it is the
the *most* immediate concern *of all* -- which is what you clumsily take me
to have said.

If you're going to criticize what I say, and I think I've repeatedly asked
you to consider this, how about doing so on the merits or demerits of *what
I actually and substantively* say? Here are some claims that I made or
implied, with which you may or may not agree:

1. The too common reaction of many Americans to the terrorist attacks is a
virulent, unthinking, and twitchy anti-Arab racism -- evinced by the
Salon.com story I linked to, by my own experiences on the streets Tuesday in
Dallas, and by the hate crime at a Dallas-area mosque early Wednesday
morning, as well as many, many other occurrences.

2. That White people who oppose racism have a moral duty to refuse and
resist every display or expression of this racism which they encounter.

3. That this duty is the *minimal* obligatory duty resting upon, at least,
White people who oppose racism; that it is, quite literally, the very
*least* they can do.

4. I implied that U.S. foreign policy is the key contributing factor of
international terrorism, a position I took publicly last year in a 5,000
word essay analyzing the National Commission on Terrorism's report, which is
available on Monkeyfist.com (http://monkeyist.com/lies/NCT).

5. I implied that U.S. foreign policy is racist, a position I've taken
publicly in several places, most recently in an essay (forthcoming in a
journal called Psych Discourse, and also available on Monkeyfist.com) called
"The Global Privileges of Whiteness".

6. Finally, I presupposed that for White Americans there are only two
possible positions: to be racist or to be antiracist, that there is no
neutrality on this issue, only various gradations of racist or antiracist
commitment, attitude, belief, and action.

Now, surely, you can find something of *substance* in my work to disagree
with, rather than misreading something I've said, trying to infer from it
that I am unwilling to kowtow to the dangerous, authoritarian, and mindless
ideological consensus that has formed very rapidly as a result of the
terrorlst attacks. Let me assure you that I very much dissent from that
consensus, and that I do so because I take that to be my responsibility as a
citizen of a country that boasts a remarkable degree of individual freedom
(and because the consensus, as I understand it, is wrong, obviously wrong,
and dangerous).

> do not flatter yourself, kendall.  no obsession here w/ you.  i am intrigued
> however with your opinions.  at least i think they are yours...or at least
> someone's...c'mon level with me, who writes the stuff that you put your name
> on?

Trust me, your 'attention', motivated by whatever you claim motivates it, is
no flattery whatever. You could, at the very least, do me the courtesy of
not wasting my time on trivialities. If you have criticisms of my work to
make in the future, how about sticking to the meat of what I say. One thing
I pride myself on is taking public positions on substantive, difficult
issues, so that it shouldn't be *too* hard for you to avoid the low-grade
cheapshot to which you've grown accustomed.

Kendall Clark


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