Hunter Gray | 1 Jul 2002 03:53
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Preserving Native languages and the Beothuk tragedy

Note by Hunterbear:

Posted initially on Redbadbear [and many thanks to Jjinsitu <at> aol.com for
posting the initial AP story on Berkeley's good works. It follows my
comments.]

These are some thoughts of mine:

It's good to see the work of Berkeley in preserving Native languages
recognized more broadly -- and publicized.  There are a few other academic
settings in North America where this has been done for a long time -- and
some more are moving into this.  Very fundamentally, a great many tribal
nations themselves -- ranging from the Navajo [about 250,000 people with the
Dine' language still in very good shape] to, say, the much much smaller
Wabanaki nations in Maine [where some aboriginal languages are now
precarious] -- are committing themselves to much consistent and effective
work in preserving their respective languages and expanding their usage.
Some of these tribal efforts have been underway for some decades -- but
there has much  intensification and broadening in recent years.

Some things are lost forever.

A long time ago, there was a nation known as Beothuk -- sometimes called
"Red Paint People" because they often painted their faces with red ochre.
They lived in Newfoundland and immediate environs, were peaceful, but
clashed occasionally with the Micmac [Wabanaki]  -- much greater in
numbers -- over hunting and fishing territories.  Until the Europeans came
[primarily French], these fights resulted in very few fatalities and
frequently none at all.  But the Micmac and the French formed an almost
immediate and very enduring alliance around two mutually major dimensions:
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Michael Pugliese | 1 Jul 2002 18:46

Re: U. of Ottawa Professor Says Evidence Shows U.S. Helped Plan Attacks

Ruppert
The ex–LAPD cop who became a 9/11   conspiracy king

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/30/cover-corn.php

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... WhatDIDN'Treallyhappen.com.   Devoted to smashing conspiracy
theories
and humiliating their purveyors!

 Monday, June 24, 2002 ::

A flimsy attempt at a snappy   rejoinder. A nameless blogger   
(another
one of those valiant dissidents   who's afraid of the Treasury   
agents
underneath his bed) has tried his   hand at refuting my Ruppert
timeline
post below. He has his own   conspiracy yarns, including a   Vince 
Foster
redux, exposing the Cliff Baxter "suicide sham."

In any event, his prodding of my   timeline focuses on items 3 and   
4,
in
which Ruppert first claims the
Unocal pipeline deal failed   because the Taliban's price was   too 
high

(in 1997), and that Unocal VP   John Maresca testified a year   later
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Lysander Zimmerman | 1 Jul 2002 20:26
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G8 Protestors agree Bush complicit in 9-11. HELP McKinney is introuble!!


----- Original Message -----
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To: <findtruth200h <at> hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:55 PM
Subject: G8 Protestors agree Bush complicit in 9-11. HELP McKinney is
introuble!!

>
> URGENT ACTION - Cynthia's in trouble!! [G8 Story below]
>
> Post this EVERYWHERE, and share it with EVERYONE, before we lose the only
> Congressperson who will stand up against the U.S. "endless wars" machine,
> and for peace, justice, and truth in govt.
>
> Congresswoman McKinney is the ONLY Congressperson with the will and
> integrity to demand a full inquiry of what Bush knew and when he knew it
> about 9-11 attacks (and to find out where the $2.3 TRILLION the DOD "LOST"
> went to), AND NOW WE MAY LOSE HER.  For her courage the Democrats are
trying
> to get rid of her.  Rather than using their resources to defeat
Republicans,
> they are taking aim at a 5 term Georgia Congresswoman.  SHE NEEDS US, and
WE
> NEED HER IN WASHINGTON [I know many of you have already sent donations,
etc.
> BUT LET'S SEND MORE]:
>
> To find out how you can help Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, contact
> kharabia <at> khayumbia.com , or just send a donation to McKinney's campaign
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Macdonald Stainsby | 1 Jul 2002 19:31
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Re: Re: U. of Ottawa Professor Says Evidence Shows U.S. Helped Plan Attacks

Well, take all of this to Ruppert then. You can make some easy money, he states
publically that if you discount even one of his sources you'll get a grand out
of it.

Macdonald

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Pugliese" <debsian <at> pacbell.net>

Ruppert
The ex–LAPD cop who became a 9/11   conspiracy king

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/30/cover-corn.php

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Michael Pugliese | 1 Jul 2002 22:58

The Indiscreet Charm of the Bush-Nazi Web Conspiranoids

http://www.thethresher.com/indiscreet.html

"American politics has often been an arena for angry minds," historian 
Richard Hofstadter wrote nearly four decades ago. As the first great 
analyst/connoisseur of American political paranoia, or what he called 
"the paranoid style," Hofstadter, who died in 1970, would have been 
amazed by the web.

As we all know, myriad versions of the perennial conspiracy theories 
Hofstadter knew well, the ones involving plots by Freemasons, Jesuits, 
Jews, and/or Communists to take over the world, are alive and thriving 
in the new medium. In addition, the web, as a radically accelerated 
technology for moving facts, rumors, myths and memes, has vastly 
widened the theater of the political imagination. It has become, for 
better and worse, the spiritual home of "conspiranoia." A quick search 
of the word "conspiracy" on Google turns up (as of mid-2001) just 
under 2 million hits. All of the modern classics are well represented. 
These include; JFK Assassination plots (75,000 hits) (whether by CIA, 
Mafia, Gusanos or the newly popular Federal Reserve theory), 
extraterrestrial visitations (over 75,000 sites), and shadow world 
governments (well over a million) (as administered by, the Trilateral 
Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, The UN, The Bank of England 
and any one of several dozen other organizations). Then there are the 
more recent conspiracy theories involving; the deliberate or 
accidental unleashing of the AIDS virus (roughly 65,000 hits), U.S. 
government involvement in the Oklahoma City bombing, (nearly 100,000), 
and collusions between DuPont Chemical and the oil Industry to squelch 
hemp production (10,000).

Many, indeed most of these conspiracy "exposes" are illogical, if not 
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Lysander Zimmerman | 1 Jul 2002 23:25
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Re: The Indiscreet Charm of the Bush-Nazi Web Conspiranoids

Hey Michael, sorry to burst your fence-sitting bubble, but conspiracies are
the norm for the elite in ANY class society. Adam Smith, the capitalist
economist is quoted as writing that whenever the elite get together, they
"CONSPIRE" against the working classes. I guess his understanding of
capitalist economics is just "conspiranoia"!!

Here's a CONSPIRACY REALITY for Mike: in 1975, Senator Frank Church headed
the Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations With Respect to
Intelligence Activities and their findings document 5 volumes of
CONSPIRACIES (including assassinations, assissination plots, biological and
chemical weapons programs that included SECRET testing on large parts of the
population, mind-control experiments, COINTELPRO tactics, you name it....).

Nope, no conspiracies here!! I guess Operation Northwoods
(http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf) and Operation Mongoose
were simply plots for Hollywood movies that didn't make it on account that
they were too "out there"!!!

Here's another conspiracy reality for you:
http://hamilton.indymedia.org:8081/front.php3?article_id=1793

Open your eyes.

____________________________________________________________
'Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all,
IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a
simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or
no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
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Michael Pugliese | 1 Jul 2002 23:38

Re:The Indiscreet Charm of the Bush-Nazi Web Conspiranoids

   Heh, Lysander a few yrs. ago I found a copy of the Church Committee 
reports at a used book store. Been there done that...
  My motive, just like Chip Berlet's who knows this stuff better than 
anyone, is to get folks like you to use better sources (not the far 
right crap from the Liberrty Lobby's AFP)
 and methodology. Read lefties like Bill Domhoff and marxists like Nicos 
Poulantzas and Ralph Miliband. Find back issues of Jim O' Connor's neo-
marxist journal, "Kapitalistate, " at an academic library.
Michael Pugliese

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Michael Pugliese | 1 Jul 2002 23:43

THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS NOT MY FRIEND:

http://www.fiu.edu/~mizrachs/left-n-fascism.html

The Left and the Far Right: Curious Bedfellows?

The Left has been very serious in its critique of American foreign 
policy and its cynicism. The basis of that policy has been, "if you 
are an enemy of communism, you are my friend," which has led America 
into cooperation with a whole range of tyrannical, military- backed 
dictatorships. But we should be very careful about the wisdom of that 
statement, because those on the Left should take heed too. Not 
everyone who speaks out against "the government" and "the State" is on 
our side. Indeed, they may have an entirely different agenda, of a 
decidedly fascist bent. Despite the fact that they may make statements 
against "capital" or "the finance class" or whatever else, their real 
enemy is liberal democracy, which they hate with a greater passion 
than even the most determined Stalinist on the left.

Now imagine this scenario. It's 1991, and you're at an anti-Persian 
Gulf "war" speakout. Someone gets up and starts blasting CIA 
involvement in the region and drug trafficking from the area, and 
everyone applauds. Then he starts saying things like "this is really 
the Zionists' war, fought for the Elders of Zion." Another man gets up 
and starts talking about the murderous policies of the IMF and World 
Bank in Middle East development, and the genocidal character of the 
war against Iraq. Some more applause. Then he follows up by saying how 
he sees "the hand of the Anglo- American cartel in all this." A third 
individual starts talking about the role of "capital" and how the war 
is a distraction from the S & L looters. A third round of applause. 
Then he starts talking about "international bankers" and the 
"Trilateralists" and their role in the war. At this point, you are 
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Lysander Zimmerman | 1 Jul 2002 23:46
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Re: Re:The Indiscreet Charm of the Bush-Nazi Web Conspiranoids


Okay.....so you do agree that the elite frequently turn to secret black ops
and conspiracies to maintain the class structures?

If so, I'm sorry for jumping on you. I'm just sick and tired of hearing the
erroneous and baseless attack "you're just a paranoid conspiratorialist"
whenever I discuss true government/corporate/military conspiracies.

I agree that we need more left-wing sources on this stuff but contemporaries
like Chomsky are fast asleep right now -- just when we need them most.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Pugliese" <debsian <at> pacbell.net>
To: <rad-green <at> lists.econ.utah.edu>
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 5:38 PM
Subject: Re:[R-G] The Indiscreet Charm of the Bush-Nazi Web Conspiranoids

>    Heh, Lysander a few yrs. ago I found a copy of the Church Committee
> reports at a used book store. Been there done that...
>   My motive, just like Chip Berlet's who knows this stuff better than
> anyone, is to get folks like you to use better sources (not the far
> right crap from the Liberrty Lobby's AFP)
>  and methodology. Read lefties like Bill Domhoff and marxists like Nicos
> Poulantzas and Ralph Miliband. Find back issues of Jim O' Connor's neo-
> marxist journal, "Kapitalistate, " at an academic library.
> Michael Pugliese
>
>
>
>
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Michael Pugliese | 1 Jul 2002 23:58

Re; Chemtrails

   AKA Contrails. 
   Jeesh, Lysander you believe Dr.Len Horowitz at tetrahedron
about anything? The Man has no credibility on HIV, Anthrax, nada.
http://www.centrexnews.com/ is full of Far Right Crap from LaRouche, 
Anthony Sutton (author of, "Wall St. and the Bolshevik Revolution."), 
John Birchers AND Chossudovsky and Jared Israel.
Michael Pugliese

Stop this nonsense! 
Tired of seeing IMC go off the deep end 11:05am Tue Jun 25 '02
comment#1823

I see this crap up here, and I despair about the future of Indymedia. 
IMC-Hamilton and IMC-Portland have been transformed into forums for 
disciples of Art Bell, Mike Ruppert, and other conspiracy hucksters. 
Whatever happened to doing solid, grassroots reports from our 
communities? Why in the HELL is IMC-Hamilton doing the "chemtrails" 
thing? Why aren't people in Hamilton putting a halt to this nonsense?

There are enough terrible problems on this tattered planet of ours 
without having to invent new paranoid conspiracies about secret 
government chemical-spraying operations.

Enough!

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