acf Anand | 1 Sep 04:56 2006
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Right to Information Act India's magic wand against corruption

Right to Information Act India's magic wand against corruption

Siddharth Srivastava explains why Act should not be repealed even though certain government officials feel harassed by queries

Jakarta Post
Thursday, August 31, 2006

By Siddharth Srivastava

New Delhi --- Lost in the din of the Indo-U.S. nuclear deal and reservations for backward classes in higher educational institutions, has been a change that will likely overhaul the relationship between the government and the people of India forever.

In the few months of existence, the Right to Information (RTI) Act has already engendered mass movements in the country that is bringing the lethargic, often corrupt bureaucracy to its knees and changing power equations completely. Some say, the RTI, more than the nuclear pact, will perhaps be the one rule of law that the Manmohan Singh-Sonia Gandhi combine will be remembered most in history, though the duo may not have actually realized the difference it can make to the lives of the common man.

From issues related to ration cards, passports, driving licenses, civic problems, government aid money for poverty alleviation to flood relief, notices are being filed across the country, with government officials, for a change, at the receiving end. If they do not reply satisfactorily within a month, their salaries are liable to be cut, as per the new law. Many have already faced the worst.

Some officials have complained of being victimized, but there is no sympathy for them, as it is the large number of the masses who have had to kowtow to dictates and non-performance for so long.

The legislation gives Indians the power to ask officials about almost anything, except issues of national security, cabinet papers and information protected by the courts. For a nominal fee, officials have to deliver reports on the progress of applications for voter's ID card, water and electricity connections.

As this correspondent has noted, there are only two opinions about the Act that came into force last winter. A senior government official said that he has never felt as harassed in replying to queries, while the head of a resident's welfare association said that the RTI is the biggest boon.

The concerned residents have ensured that a local road, that on paper was supposed to be functioning very well, is fixed, via a RTI appeal. Arvind Kejriwal, who founded Parivartan (Change), one of the organizations that fought for the law, is among this year's winners of the Manila-based Ramon Magsaysay Award for his RTI grassroots campaign.

"This law has instilled a fear among the officials," Manish Sisodia, a campaigner with Parivartan as been quoted. "In a democracy, we say the common man is the master but it is rarely so. RTI gives them this power -- to open any file, any document and any door. It's proving to be a very effective tool to fight corruption, though corruption can never go from India."

Predictably, elements in the higher echelons of the bureaucracy have been seeking a dilution in the Act and almost succeeded in convincing their political masters of the need to exclude file nothings, a move that would have substantially turned the tables in favor of the government servant (referred colloquially and sometimes pejoratively as babus).

The original Act covers a wide range of information defined as "any material in any form including records, documents, memos, e-mails, opinions, advises, press releases, circulars, orders, log-books, contracts, reports, papers, samples, models, data material held in any electronic form and information relating to any private body which can be accessed by a public authority under any other law for the time being in force." Obviously, the babus were not happy and wanted more protection.

Following a furor, the government has retracted the move that was cleared by the cabinet, at least for now. The government has more or less given up the idea of bringing the RTI (amendment) Bill that seeks to keep file nothings out of the purview of the Act this monsoon session of Parliament, reportedly at the instance of Sonia. "As far as the amendment to the RTI Act is concerned, officially we are not saying that we are dropping the cabinet decision on file nothings, but it may well be that the amendment is not brought at all," a senior union minister has been quoted.

RTI activists who conducted a referendum reported 98.7 per cent of people, including those in Delhi, voted against the proposed amendments. Armed with the new law, about 700 pressure groups and charities have jointly launched a nationwide drive to make people aware of their rights in early July. About 1,500 volunteers set up information center camps at key government offices in 47 cities, resulting in over 14,000 RTI applications being filed. Ironically, several of the petitioners include government servants questioning service conditions such as transfers, suspensions or promotions.

Four RTI activists, including Kejriwal, have said: "We urge the government to leave the RTI Act 2005 as it is for a few years. This is a historic legislation and this government deserves to be congratulated for this. Let some people within the bureaucracy not be allowed to undo the good work of the government."

The Central Information Commission (CIC) that monitors the RTI has also been involved in its own battle on the issue with the government, speaking against the proposed amendment.

This correspondent too has filed a petition under the RTI seeking status of refund of security deposit (US$350) for a telephone connection, the service provided by a government owned firm. The phone has been disconnected for four years now, with no sign of the money. A reply should be due soon.

It may be recalled that India ranks among the most corrupt nations in the world. Studies by the Berlin-based Transparency International and other indices such as the Corruption Perception Index have consistently ranked India as one of the worst as far as corrupt practices go. As per Transparency, India has secured a lowly spot at number 88 (out of 159 countries surveyed) of the most corrupt places on the planet, along with unlikely companion countries such as Gabon, Mali, Moldova, Tanzania and Iran.

Earlier this year, the World Bank (WB) decided to hold back over $1 billion meant for health programs in the county due to allegations of fraud and corruption. India, keen to project itself as an economic powerhouse, thus joined the ranks of countries such as Bangladesh, Chad, Congo, Kenya and Argentina against whom similar action has been taken.

There have been various attempts to put a figure to the dimension of corruption: government loss of $50 billion due to tax evasion; $10 billion due to delay in projects due to bureaucratic red tape; corruption costs the Indian taxpayer nearly $7 billion a year. Former prime minister Rajiv Gandhi famously said that for every rupee spent by the government for development less than a tenth of the amount actually reaches the beneficiary and this too is an exaggerated figure.

The writer is a New Delhi-based journalist. He can be reached at srivastava_siddharth-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org.

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ANAGH MAVANI | 1 Sep 14:33 2006
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Well I like to know when is RTI awareness camp will be there in Mumbai. 
I like to participate same.

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>roaming.
>   I have talked to all our partner organisations working on RTI and I am 
>compiling success stories in assam. I will be able to send you on monday.
>   ashis da will also send one success strory to you.
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>   Anna has left the decision of talks to the Govt only.he is ready to go 
>delhi for talks as well as is is ready to talk by video 
>conferencing,talking to newspersons he said"I am ready to go anywhere but 
>what is point in talking incamera we are talking on RTI let us talk by 
>videoconferencing, let the the people of India know what we are talking.If 
>there is any difficulty for Govt to declare its decision on amendments due 
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Dear Bibhav,

       Though one month has passed no sign of any reply from the State dept 
many with the queries of Ration Crads, BPL, IAY,OLd age pension etc are 
coming. But it has come to our notice that the Govt deprtment has been asked 
repare List of the BPL person which suggest that they did not have the list 
eralier. Therefore there were not in a position to sne dthe reploy nor able 
to pass any order. Besides It has aso reported that the Office of DC could 
not able to open the huge number of comlaints which they have recieved 
during the camaign.

    However  Sumita Chamda, Of Lumding had aplied for telephone connection 
at her residence. And paid Rs.2000- to the BSNL for security money just two 
years back. She was not provided with  telephone as the BSNL Engineer said 
there is no PAIR Cable. She file dthe complint on 3rd July and on 10th 
August WLL connection has been provided.

A Senior Officer working with CIWTC at Guwahati retired from service on  
31.12.2005 but he was not paid his Gratuity money though the Dept Obtained 
all clerances. Her daughter filed RTI application on 12thJ ul;y and within 
15 days the  DCRG amount which were held up witout any valid resaon was paid 
to the Officer.

Thanking you

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acf Anand | 2 Sep 04:57 2006
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Next time you try and obtain facts using the Right to Information Act (RTI), you may just be shouted at and thrown out.

 

 
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Teacher demands RTI, punished


By IBNlive.com
Friday September 1, 07:31 PM
New Delhi: Next time you try and obtain facts using the Right to Information Act (RTI), you may just be shouted at and thrown out.

Take the case of a Delhi-based school teacher at the Lok Nayak Jaiprakash hospital on Thursday evening.

Ajit Kumar was escorted for a checkup after he was roughed up by Lok Nayak Jayprakash hospital staff because he used his right to information to get some answers about the allocation of funds related to treatment of patients.

Kumar received delayed and incomplete responses to his queries. When he decided to file an appeal against this and take a stronger stance, he paid dearly.


"Eight-ten persons came and man-handled me and confined me wrongfully," related Kumar.

When the hospital staff was confronted, they refused to speak to CNN-IBN. The Medical Superintendent (MS) clarified nothing and his staff just shied away from the accusations.

In fact, Kumar is not the only one to have questioned the hospital's functioning.

Dinesh Jindal had also filed an application questioning the investigation into the alleged misbehavior of a particular doctor.

After a month's wait, Jindal was told that they had never received his application.

“They have deliberately misplaced my application. There is obviously something going on between the MS and his subordinates," said Jindal.

All is not transparent when it comes to the RTI. Not only answers, even a simple right has been denied to people like Dinesh Jindal and Ajit Kumar who wait alone for exercising their right to information.


 



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rakesh | 2 Sep 06:09 2006
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War with corrupt bureaucracy.

Dear friends,
War with corrupt bureaucracy.
Mistake we are making. We had declared victory (amendment on Right to
information Act, 2005) before war is over. While it is important to
create and celebrate short term wins,  (like deferment of RTI
amendment Bill),
it is also important to keep up momentum. Those who settle for too
little too soon, , run the danger of losing it all, because true
transformation takes years even decades to achieve.
We had given walkover to corrupt bureaucracy in the following area of war.
1 Selection of Information Commissioner. 
A-Now, it is time to expose information Commissioner, who deliberately
 are giving wrong decisions.
B- Suggest New information Commissioner/ or broad guidelines of
quality (Information Commissioner) should have.
C. Expedited appointment of new information's Commissioners, where
delay is more than 3 months for hearing.
D. Force (information Commissioner) to enforce penalty clause.

2.	Instruction issued by DOPT/ Information Commission.
We find out instruction issued by them and critical analyze them,
whether they are compatible with the fundament right of information or
Not.
Some of the example of wrong interpretations.
A-	wrong interpretation of Information by DOPT in FAQ section .
B-	Wrong interpretation by DOPT that there is no need to keep
information intact, which are denied now under Section 8(1) of RTI
ACT, 2005 and available (as per 8(3) of RTI ACT) to Citizen after 20
years.
C- Wrong interpretation by CIC that the information may be denied
under Section 7(9). This section states that information must be
given, however if disproportionate resources is diverted then, it
should be given in the format it exits.
D- Wrong interpretation by CIC that the information will be given only
if it exit in some hard copy. Question are denied , which were asking
specific information.

What was expected from us.
To expose the above action of Government to public and send the
messaged to corrupt bureaucracy that they are on watch.

How to do it.
We are already doing the right thing. However, a small error by us is
duplication of effort and ignoring certain sectors. Our group is
spread over all over India , we should avoid it.

How to correct the error.

Make small group and each group comprise persons  from diverse field
advocate, chartered accountants, teachers , social worker and as
diverse as possible . Each group assign certain part of above area
between them.
Each area should be covered at least by two different sub-groups.
Each group should be in touch with other small group to make co
ordinate efforts.

With regards.
Rakesh Gupta

 
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prakash kardaley | 2 Sep 11:30 2006
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Fwd: pune conclave is off



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: prakash kardaley <pmk1504-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Date: 02-Sep-2006 14:39
Subject: pune conclave is off
To: Hum Janenge <humjanenge-hHKSG33TihhqA26CCmlJIf8+0UxHXcjY@public.gmane.org>

the conductor has noticed a flat tyre. the pune conclave is off. driver and the service (bus) provider may pl note.
one member from bangalore has already bowed out, noticing poor response.
 
it is understandable that it would be difficult for members to travel long distances to discuss operational problems.
 
i welcome a suggestion from anil kumar of bangalore that first all users here should start sharing their experience and identifying the problems through the internet.
 
they may, if may add, also consult in the process those who are not on the internet. local/regional meetings may be convened at different places, if necessary. many such problems have already come to the notice of organisers of anti-bribery campaign in different states.
 
a national conclave may be the next step. already similar efforts are on in association with organisations with better resources. all the best to them. these will provide for coming together and informal interactions as well.
 
ps: pl note - the withdrawal is not because there is a distinct possibility of an objection being taken to transparency activists coming together for a `conclave'.
 
 
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Logically Genius | 2 Sep 12:29 2006
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awesome Anti-corruption + Whistleblowers friendly Law in making


If we put pressure on this one it will be passed sooner, or
just like RTI it may take 16 years. The bad guys are already
working against it.

http://www.indianexpress.com/printerFriendly/11612.html




To ringfence babus from netas,
a bold new civil service law in the making
G. Ananthakrishnan
Posted online: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 at 0000 hrs IST
NEW DELHI, AUGust 28
A strict, enforceable co de of conduct that measures efficiency in tangible terms, rewards and punishes, a transparent system of transfers, the power to stand up and say no to a superior if his order violates the code, insulating the officer from political interference and protecting whistleblowers. These are among the sweeping reforms suggested in what could be the first attempt to ensure, legally at least, a merit-based and an apolitical bureaucracy.
The Department of Personnel and Training has drawn up a draft Public Services Bill, 2006, and sent it to the Administrative Reforms Commission for its suggestions. The new law, when passed, will be applicable to the IAS, IPS, IFS and all Central services.
According to the draft, obtained by The Indian Express, a “Public Service Code” will be drawn up by the Government in consultation with a Central authority within a year of the law coming into effect.
This code will specify, in concrete terms, the dos and don’ ts for public servants to work “with due regard to diversity...without discrimination of caste, community, religion, gender or class.” It will establish a mechanism to monitor performance and efficiency.
“The interface between the political executive and public service will be clearly established (by the Code) based on the principles of political neutrality, professional excellence and integrity,” says the draft.
Any breach would incur punishment ranging from a reprimand, a reduction in classification or salary to termination of service.
The author of the code, the Central Authority, which will play a pivotal role under the Act, will remain free of political interference. Chairperson and members of the Authority shall be appointed by the President on the recommendations of a Committee comprising of the Prime Minister, a Supreme Court judge and the Leader of Opposition in the Lok Sabha.
The Chairperson and members will, however, no t be MPs or MLAs or hold any office with any political party.
Another major feature of the law is the stress on a merit-based public service. To achieve this, according to the draft, a Performance Management System will be drawn up for all employees under which there will be performance indicators and measurement of the outcome and impact with regard to development priorities.
Grades under this will be taken into account in matters of budget allocation to the departments and other entitlements.
There is also a provision to address the civil servants’ concern about the stability of service. For this, the bill calls on the Central Authority to ensure that “transfers and postings of public servants are undertaken in a fair and objective manner and that the tenure of the Public Servant in a post is appropriately determined and is maintained consistent with the need to maintain continuity and the requirements of good governance.”
It even goes to the extent of giving a public servant the freedom to decide whether he or she should or not carry out an order of a superior, if such an order is against the Code.
In such case, the Central Authority will give the officer the opportunity to raise the issue at an appropriate forum without fear of victimisation.
The draft Bill also calls on the government to put in place a scheme to protect whistleblower public servants in the system, who report suspected improper governance and actions in their workplace.
Meanwhile, the Administrative Reforms Commission has shot off queries to the representatives of society and civil servants on the draft Bill. Going a step ahead, the ARC wants to answer questions like whether only career-based civil servants were always best suited to occupy top governmental positions or whether there could be lateral entry.
Carrying forward the question of me rit, it has also sought to know if system of weeding out as existing in the armed forces could be extended to civil services too. Though the ARC was to give its report by August end, sources said this was unlikely as many states had not yet responded.



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lokesh batra | 2 Sep 12:48 2006
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Re: War with corrupt bureaucracy.

Dear Shri Rakesh,
 
Pls let me have details of the case where CIC made following observations:
 
"Wrong interpretation by CIC that the information will be given only
if it exit in some hard copy. Question are denied , which were asking
specific information."

rgds,
Lokesh
rakesh <snehcs2-/E1597aS9LQxFYw1CcD5bw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Dear friends,
War with corrupt bureaucracy.
Mistake we are making. We had declared victory (amendment on Right to
information Act, 2005) before war is over. While it is important to
create and celebrate short term wins, (like deferment of RTI
amendment Bill),
it is also important to keep up momentum. Those who settle for too
little too soon, , run th e danger of losing it all, because true
transformation takes years even decades to achieve.
We had given walkover to corrupt bureaucracy in the following area of war.
1 Selection of Information Commissioner.
A-Now, it is time to expose information Commissioner, who deliberately
are giving wrong decisions.
B- Suggest New information Commissioner/ or broad guidelines of
quality (Information Commissioner) should have.
C. Expedited appointment of new information's Commissioners, where
delay is more than 3 months for hearing.
D. Force (information Commissioner) to enforce penalty clause.

2. Instruction issued by DOPT/ Information Commission.
We find out instruction issued by them and critical analyze them,
whether they are compatible with the fundament right of information or
Not.
Some of the example of wrong interpretations.
A- wrong interpretation of Information by DOPT in FAQ section .
B- Wrong interpretation by DOPT that there is no need to keep
information intact, which are denied now under Section 8(1) of RTI
ACT, 2005 and available (as per 8(3) of RTI ACT) to Citizen after 20
years.
C- Wrong interpretation by CIC that the information may be denied
under Section 7(9). This section states that information must be
given, however if disproportionate resources is diverted then, it
should be given in the format it exits.
D- Wrong interpretation by CIC that the information will be given only
if it exit in some hard copy. Question are denied , which were asking
specific information.

What was expected from us.
To expose the above action of Government to public and send the
messaged to corrupt bureaucracy that they are on watch.

How to do it.
We are already doing the right thing. However, a small error by us is
duplication of effort and ignoring certain sectors. Our group is
spread over all over India , we should avoid it.

How to correct the error.

Make small group and each group comprise persons from diverse field
advocate, chartered accountants, teachers , social worker and as
diverse as possible . Each group assign certain part of above area
between them.
Each area should be covered at least by two different sub-groups.
Each group should be in touch with other small group to make co
ordinate efforts.

With regards.
Rakesh Gupta






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vijay kumbhar | 2 Sep 15:27 2006
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Fwd: [HumJanenge] pune conclave is off



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: vijay kumbhar <kvijay14-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Date: Sep 2, 2006 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] pune conclave is off
To: HumJanenge-hHKSG33TihhqA26CCmlJIf8+0UxHXcjY@public.gmane.org

Dear all,

                        As the pune conclave is off and as  it seems that very few people are willing to participate in pune conclave; I have decided to spend money that I would have spent on pune conclave.  On another good cause. I, on behalf of my organization 'Surajya Sangharsha Samiti' have decided to organize a competition on occasion of completion of one year of  Tithes competition is exclusively for users of RTI in maharashtra and that will be in three categories

 

1) Perfect use of RTI (in Marathi suyogya vapar) in this category user who have successfully obtained information under RTI and used it purposefully (that purpose may be personal or public) may send their experience

 

2) Successfully obtaining information (in Marathi yashasvi vapar) _ in this category user who inspire of all difficulties obtained information but could not use it for any purpose may send their experiences

 

3) Unsuccessful use of RTI (-in Marathi ayashasvi vapar) - In this category user who inspire of all difficulties could not  obtained information may send their experiences

 

In each category there are prizes 1) First prize Rs.1501  2) Second prize Rs 1001  3) third prize Rest 501

 

In addition to that there five consolation prizes of Rs 251 in each category

 

Last day of sending experiences is 31st September 2006

 

Three judge's panel of well known RTI activists wail chooses the successful winners of competition. and prizes will we awarded in ceremony to organised on 12 th october 2006

 

 I hope if activists in each state of india organises such type of competition we may get exact picture of RTI in India.

 

Regards,

vijay kumbhar



On 9/2/06, prakash kardaley <pmk1504-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > wrote:
the conductor has noticed a flat tyre. the pune conclave is off. driver and
the service (bus) provider may pl note.
one member from bangalore has already bowed out, noticing poor response.

it is understandable that it would be difficult for members to travel long
distances to discuss operational problems.

i welcome a suggestion from anil kumar of bangalore that first all users
here should start sharing their experience and identifying the problems
through the internet.

they may, if may add, also consult in the process those who are not on the
internet. local/regional meetings may be convened at different places, if
necessary. many such problems have already come to the notice of organisers
of anti-bribery campaign in different states.

a national conclave may be the next step. already similar efforts are on in
association with organisations with better resources. all the best to them.
these will provide for coming together and informal interactions as well.

ps: pl note - the withdrawal is not because there is a distinct possibility
of an objection being taken to transparency activists coming together for a
`conclave'.




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shailesh Gandhi | 2 Sep 15:45 2006

Re: Fwd: [HumJanenge] pune conclave is off

Congratulations Vijay on an excellent initiative.
Love
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From: vijay kumbhar <kvijay14 <at> gmail.com>
Date: Sep 2, 2006 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] pune conclave is off
To: HumJanenge <at> yahoogroups.co.in

Dear all,

                        As the pune conclave is off and as  it seems that very few people are willing to participate in pune conclave; I have decided to spend money that I would have spent on pune conclave.  On another good cause. I, on behalf of my organization 'Surajya Sangharsha Samiti' have decided to organize a competition on occasion of completion of one year of  Tithes competition is exclusively for users of RTI in maharashtra and that will be in three categories

 

1) Perfect use of RTI (in Marathi suyogya vapar) in this category user who have successfully obtained information under RTI and used it purposefully (that purpose may be personal or public) may send their experience

 

2) Successfully obtaining information (in Marathi yashasvi vapar) _ in this category user who inspire of all difficulties obtained information but could not use it for any purpose may send their experiences

 

3) Unsuccessful use of RTI (-in Marathi ayashasvi vapar) - In this category user who inspire of all difficulties could not  obtained information may send their experiences

 

In each category there are prizes 1) First prize Rs.1501  2) Second prize Rs 1001  3) third prize Rest 501

 

In addition to that there five consolation prizes of Rs 251 in each category

 

Last day of sending experiences is 31st September 2006

 

Three judge's panel of well known RTI activists wail chooses the successful winners of competition. and prizes will we awarded in ceremony to organised on 12 th october 2006

 

 I hope if activists in each state of india organises such type of competition we may get exact picture of RTI in India.

 

Regards,

vijay kumbhar



On 9/2/06, prakash kardaley <pmk1504 <at> gmail.com > wrote:
the conductor has noticed a flat tyre. the pune conclave is off. driver and
the service (bus) provider may pl note.
one member from bangalore has already bowed out, noticing poor response.

it is understandable that it would be difficult for members to travel long
distances to discuss operational problems.

i welcome a suggestion from anil kumar of bangalore that first all users
here should start sharing their experience and identifying the problems
through the internet.

they may, if may add, also consult in the process those who are not on the
internet. local/regional meetings may be convened at different places, if
necessary. many such problems have already come to the notice of organisers
of anti-bribery campaign in different states.

a national conclave may be the next step. already similar efforts are on in
association with organisations with better resources. all the best to them.
these will provide for coming together and informal interactions as well.

ps: pl note - the withdrawal is not because there is a distinct possibility
of an objection being taken to transparency activists coming together for a
`conclave'.




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