Juergen Neumann | 11 May 2009 14:26
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Looking for contacts ...


Hi folks,

I am looking for people who have extensive skills in chip development, both geeks in the OH field and
university people. I would be of great help if you could send me your contacts of people who have the
potential knowhow to really get into the chips and who are openminded towards the "OPEN" in open hardware.

Thx!!!

Juergen
Ben West | 11 May 2009 18:12
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Re: Looking for contacts ...

Could you respond with more detail?  That is, do you mean ASIC design,
firmware development for SoC products, or even microprogramming?  A
variety of open systems exist for the latter two.

Furthermore, are there specific architectures that you look at, i.e.
from TI, Freescale, Atmel, Microchip?

On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Juergen Neumann <j.neumann <at> ergomedia.de> wrote:
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> Hi folks,
>
> I am looking for people who have extensive skills in chip development, both geeks in the OH field and
university people. I would be of great help if you could send me your contacts of people who have the
potential knowhow to really get into the chips and who are openminded towards the "OPEN" in open hardware.
>
> Thx!!!
>
> Juergen
>
>
>
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Juergen Neumann | 11 May 2009 19:36
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Re: Looking for contacts ...


Hi Ben,

> Could you respond with more detail?  That is, do you mean ASIC design,
> firmware development for SoC products, or even microprogramming?  A
> variety of open systems exist for the latter two.
> 
> Furthermore, are there specific architectures that you look at, i.e.
> from TI, Freescale, Atmel, Microchip?

I am trying to gather a list of people who are needed and willing to develop a SoC. Unfortunatelly I guess it
needs  all the skills you mentioned above. ;-) I recently want to evaluate whether there are people out
there in the world who have the skills AND the willingness to work on a project to develop open sourced chips
at all. 

Together with others I have cofounded the OpenHardware Initiative a while ago. Over time I see a growing
number of open hardware designs of all kinds out there today and I can clearly tell that ASICs have already
been a great step forward in opening up certain designs and realizing certain projects. But the more I dig
into the topic, the more I understand that we will need at least some types of truely OpenSourced Chips in
the end. 

I do of course have a clear picture of how complicated and ressource consuming this will become. And I know
that it takes this and that which might partly or fully be almost impossible to get or realize. But before I
throw in the towel I would like to at least discuss some of my ideas with people who might potentially be
interested in this approach and have some kind of expertise to help. 

Therefore I am seriously wondering if there are specialists out there, who might be willing to join into a
project of developing a completely OpenSourced SoC. And I think that besides individuals, a coalition
between several up-front people at various universities arround the globe could be of great help, too.

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Charles Wyble | 11 May 2009 22:44

Re: Looking for contacts ...

I would contact existing projects in the space.

See http://opencores.org/?do=projects for example.

I'm bcc ing some folks who might be interested.

Juergen Neumann wrote:
> Hi Ben,
> 
>> Could you respond with more detail?  That is, do you mean ASIC design,
>> firmware development for SoC products, or even microprogramming?  A
>> variety of open systems exist for the latter two.
>>
>> Furthermore, are there specific architectures that you look at, i.e.
>> from TI, Freescale, Atmel, Microchip?
> 
> I am trying to gather a list of people who are needed and willing to develop a SoC. Unfortunatelly I guess it
needs  all the skills you mentioned above. ;-) I recently want to evaluate whether there are people out
there in the world who have the skills AND the willingness to work on a project to develop open sourced chips
at all. 
> 
> Together with others I have cofounded the OpenHardware Initiative a while ago. Over time I see a growing
number of open hardware designs of all kinds out there today and I can clearly tell that ASICs have already
been a great step forward in opening up certain designs and realizing certain projects. But the more I dig
into the topic, the more I understand that we will need at least some types of truely OpenSourced Chips in
the end. 
> 
> I do of course have a clear picture of how complicated and ressource consuming this will become. And I know
that it takes this and that which might partly or fully be almost impossible to get or realize. But before I
throw in the towel I would like to at least discuss some of my ideas with people who might potentially be
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Juergen Neumann | 22 May 2009 18:40
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Hi Ben,

here are some more details about the open chip issue:

In brief we ( OHI aka Open Hardware Initiative aka http://open-hw.org ) are evaluating possibilities to
not just get into the design and manufacturing of open embedded devices (like router boards), but also to
try to design chips with open sourced patterns.

With what we have experienced so far, it is relatively easy to find open source minded people with enough
skills to design boards based on exsisting chips (e.g. openmoko, openpandora). But with the knowledge we
have gained so far, we can clearily see the need for open source chip designs, too, as otherwise they will to
a certain extent stay black boxes - not just towards the open source software community. And this always
means certain factitious limitations in the possibilities of their usage, of course.

Also, as we have found out, with money given by the world bank over the past years there have chip facturies
been  build arround the globe (e.g. in Zansebar), which would have the potential capacities to build
chips, but sometimes are not running any production at all ...

As me and my combatants strongly believe in the economic and socio-economic power of open standards, we are
willing to gather experts to design a chip for wireless radio data transmission. The reason for picking
out this field is that we know that the frequency regualtions are changing arround the globe. 

As we can tell from the great success of 802.11 in bridging the digital devide, the ablity to make use of this
white spectrum for future communication platforms is a seeking effort to take. There are already
interesting approaches like the GNU public radio, but until today there are not the radio chips we would
need for building such devices. This is where we are heading ...

I you were willing to join our group I would be more than happy. We are currently just in a presetup phase, were
we want to evaluate if we can gather a group of experts with the right mindset and skills. Phase 2 would be
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