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Juergen Neumann | 15 Jan 2009 18:56
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Re: Trainerspot Webinars: A Potential tool tospread wsfii ideas to Africa and Developing World


Vicram wrote:

> My point is that a more integrative application for
> learning is necessary - all these discrete media, such
> as email, telephony, videomail etc, and the
> integrative apps like netmeeting and so on are not
> good enough for the kind of real world learning that
> should be a reason for pushing the new world
> technologies forward in the first place.

I have been supporting an interesting and imho more holistic software project named deepamehta - like the
Indian film maker. The software is not really ready to be fully used yet, but I think it points into the right
direction. It's a fully functional and programmable application server framework - all based on a
graphical semantic desktop. 

In the first view deepamehta looks quite like mind manager or other simple mapping tools. But the concept of
deepamehta goes way beyond mind manager and alikes. It's worthwhile reading a bit into the concepts (see
the white paper).

Maybe those of you who are interested want to have a look at this free and open source software - all written in
Java. I know that they are still looking for people to help them to get it finished. Not that much is missing
anymore - from what I know.

Please check: http://www.deepamehta.de - it's (almost) all in English.

As far as I know some people had already started to build a "virtual school" based on the deepamehta
framework for Ghana. I could dig deeper into that if anyone want's me too.

Kindly
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Charles Wyble | 15 Jan 2009 19:34

Re: Trainerspot Webinars: A Potential tool tospread wsfii ideas to Africa and Developing World

This is fantastic!

Thank you for sharing.

Would love to hear more about a "virtual school" effort with this for sure.

Juergen Neumann wrote:
> Vicram wrote:
> 
>> My point is that a more integrative application for
>> learning is necessary - all these discrete media, such
>> as email, telephony, videomail etc, and the
>> integrative apps like netmeeting and so on are not
>> good enough for the kind of real world learning that
>> should be a reason for pushing the new world
>> technologies forward in the first place.
> 
> I have been supporting an interesting and imho more holistic software project named deepamehta - like the
Indian film maker. The software is not really ready to be fully used yet, but I think it points into the right
direction. It's a fully functional and programmable application server framework - all based on a
graphical semantic desktop. 
> 
> In the first view deepamehta looks quite like mind manager or other simple mapping tools. But the concept
of deepamehta goes way beyond mind manager and alikes. It's worthwhile reading a bit into the concepts
(see the white paper).
> 
> Maybe those of you who are interested want to have a look at this free and open source software - all written
in Java. I know that they are still looking for people to help them to get it finished. Not that much is
missing anymore - from what I know.
>
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Carlos Rey | 22 Jan 2009 11:56

help choosing between open-mesh and fonera

Dear collegues,

I am Carlos Rey Moreno, an IT researcher form the Fundación EHAS, which 
deploys low-cost telemedicine networks in rural and isolated areas of 
developing countries.

I am writing to you because we are about to start researching about the 
possibilities of deploying small community wireless networks at the 
small villages in the rural areas of the developing countries where we 
work for connecting not only the health care centers to the backbone, 
but the school, the council and other actors in the area. To do so, we 
were thinking of making use either of Fonera or Open-Mesh routers. We do 
not have any experience with any of them, but I was wondering whether 
you could recommend me any of them or propose any another option for 
such deployment.

Thank very much in advance

Carlos Rey Moreno
Fundación EHAS
www.ehas.org <http://www.ehas.org>
0034 91 488 8713
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michel memeteau | 22 Jan 2009 12:33

Re: help choosing between open-mesh and fonera

Fonera ( the software in it ) is based on a commercial model where people have to pay to access the internet. 


openMesh isn't. 

Choose OpenMesh, it's affordable and based on great software. 

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Carlos Rey <crey <at> ehas.org> wrote:
Dear collegues,

I am Carlos Rey Moreno, an IT researcher form the Fundación EHAS, which
deploys low-cost telemedicine networks in rural and isolated areas of
developing countries.

I am writing to you because we are about to start researching about the
possibilities of deploying small community wireless networks at the
small villages in the rural areas of the developing countries where we
work for connecting not only the health care centers to the backbone,
but the school, the council and other actors in the area. To do so, we
were thinking of making use either of Fonera or Open-Mesh routers. We do
not have any experience with any of them, but I was wondering whether
you could recommend me any of them or propose any another option for
such deployment.

Thank very much in advance

Carlos Rey Moreno
Fundación EHAS
www.ehas.org <http://www.ehas.org>
0034 91 488 8713

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Juergen Neumann | 22 Jan 2009 13:34
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Re: help choosing between open-mesh and fonera


Dear Carlos,

> ...
> were thinking of making use either of Fonera or Open-Mesh 
> routers. We do not have any experience with any of them, but I was wondering whether 
> you could recommend me any of them or propose any another option for 
> such deployment.
> ...

Please go for open-mesh.com! 

- It is very simple (no configuration required!)
- much more flexible, cause it can bring (Internet-)Access to places many hops beyond the Internet uplink
by meshing.
- Since the latest release is very stabile and solid. I did not have any trouble ever since the last firmware
release. 
- It is the result of years of research and development to support projects like yours the best way possible. 
- It is all Free and Open Source Software.
- It is easy to maintain and administrate by a web-based dashboard.
- It is driven by people with the heart in the right place ;-)  

Just my 2 cents.

JuergeN
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Mahabir Pun | 22 Jan 2009 18:03

Re: help choosing between open-mesh and fonera

Hello Carlos;

This is Mahabir Pun from Nepal. We have been building wireless network
in rural area for communication, e-education and telemedicine. Please
let me know where you are going to provide the services. I will be
able to provide some information including the problems we have been
facing.

Mahabir Pun
http://www.nepalwireless.net

On 1/22/09, Carlos Rey <crey <at> ehas.org> wrote:
> Dear collegues,
>
> I am Carlos Rey Moreno, an IT researcher form the Fundación EHAS, which
> deploys low-cost telemedicine networks in rural and isolated areas of
> developing countries.
>
> I am writing to you because we are about to start researching about the
> possibilities of deploying small community wireless networks at the
> small villages in the rural areas of the developing countries where we
> work for connecting not only the health care centers to the backbone,
> but the school, the council and other actors in the area. To do so, we
> were thinking of making use either of Fonera or Open-Mesh routers. We do
> not have any experience with any of them, but I was wondering whether
> you could recommend me any of them or propose any another option for
> such deployment.
>
> Thank very much in advance
>
> Carlos Rey Moreno
> Fundación EHAS
> www.ehas.org <http://www.ehas.org>
> 0034 91 488 8713
>
> _______________________________________________
> wsfii-discuss mailing list
> wsfii-discuss <at> lists.okfn.org
> http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/wsfii-discuss
>

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Gerard Mourits | 22 Jan 2009 18:14

Re: help choosing between open-mesh and fonera

Dear all,

The Foundation of WiFiSoft is now building an Network Event Kit (NEK) on
behalf of some sponsors.
This network event kit is build of the knowledge of Wireless Leiden  //
WiFisoft // OCC 2009.
If you need some info: http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ and
http://opencommunitycamp.org/2009/

Next to this we are building an course around the NEK to use this..
http://wifisoft.org/moodle/course/category.php?id=2

If you have any question: info <at> wifisoft.org

Regards,

Gerard Mourits

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wsfii-discuss-bounces <at> lists.okfn.org [mailto:wsfii-discuss-
> bounces <at> lists.okfn.org] On Behalf Of Mahabir Pun
> Sent: donderdag 22 januari 2009 18:04
> To: Discuss list on the World Summit on Free Information Infrastructure
> Subject: Re: [wsfii-discuss] help choosing between open-mesh and fonera
> 
> Hello Carlos;
> 
> This is Mahabir Pun from Nepal. We have been building wireless network
> in rural area for communication, e-education and telemedicine. Please
> let me know where you are going to provide the services. I will be
> able to provide some information including the problems we have been
> facing.
> 
> Mahabir Pun
> http://www.nepalwireless.net
> 
> On 1/22/09, Carlos Rey <crey <at> ehas.org> wrote:
> > Dear collegues,
> >
> > I am Carlos Rey Moreno, an IT researcher form the Fundación EHAS,
> which
> > deploys low-cost telemedicine networks in rural and isolated areas of
> > developing countries.
> >
> > I am writing to you because we are about to start researching about
> the
> > possibilities of deploying small community wireless networks at the
> > small villages in the rural areas of the developing countries where
> we
> > work for connecting not only the health care centers to the backbone,
> > but the school, the council and other actors in the area. To do so,
> we
> > were thinking of making use either of Fonera or Open-Mesh routers. We
> do
> > not have any experience with any of them, but I was wondering whether
> > you could recommend me any of them or propose any another option for
> > such deployment.
> >
> > Thank very much in advance
> >
> > Carlos Rey Moreno
> > Fundación EHAS
> > www.ehas.org <http://www.ehas.org>
> > 0034 91 488 8713
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > wsfii-discuss mailing list
> > wsfii-discuss <at> lists.okfn.org
> > http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/wsfii-discuss
> >
> 
> 
> --
> Please visit our school and projects at http://www.himanchal.org and
> http://www.nepalwireless.net
> 
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Ben West | 22 Jan 2009 18:33
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Re: help choosing between open-mesh and fonera

I didn't realize that the Foneras with the stock firmware did not
mesh, but yes, that's what it looks like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FON

Meraki.com is a commercial vendor of meshing routers with
closed-source firmware, although their devices just got more expensive
($100/ea instead of $50.ea).  Also, Meraki recently decided to lock
out 3rd-party firmware from operating with their service.
http://www.virishi.net/from-happy-hacking-screw-you-story-meraki

For now, open-mesh.com has the more cost-effective, flexible solution,
although you would do well to get larger antennae and possibly even
apply this mod to fix power supply issues:
http://robin.forumup.it/viewtopic.php?t=873&mforum=robin

I do read. nevertheless, that Meraki has teamed up with a non-profit
named One Economy to use mesh device to bring broadband to low income
families:
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/meraki-and-one-economy-team,680985.shtml

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Jonathan <ac3bf1 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Also I think La Fonera does NOT scale to a mesh...
>
> You need something like openmesh, or OpenWRT type of firmware.
>
> I have no experience with open-mesh but heard good things ;-)
>
> Make sure you use good routers for the intallation...
> Fonera routers are weak for this porpose and i would suggest a double
> interface router...
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> /******************
> Some Interesting websites:
> http://ac3bf1.org - My Personal Blog
> http://gsm.wiker.org - GSM Project Homepage
> http://infosec.wiker.org - Information Security Wiki
> http://ninux.org - Wireless Community Rome
> ******************/
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Juergen Neumann <j.neumann <at> ergomedia.de>
> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Carlos,
>>
>> > ...
>> > were thinking of making use either of Fonera or Open-Mesh
>> > routers. We do not have any experience with any of them, but I was
>> > wondering whether
>> > you could recommend me any of them or propose any another option for
>> > such deployment.
>> > ...
>>
>> Please go for open-mesh.com!
>>
>> - It is very simple (no configuration required!)
>> - much more flexible, cause it can bring (Internet-)Access to places many
>> hops beyond the Internet uplink by meshing.
>> - Since the latest release is very stabile and solid. I did not have any
>> trouble ever since the last firmware release.
>> - It is the result of years of research and development to support
>> projects like yours the best way possible.
>> - It is all Free and Open Source Software.
>> - It is easy to maintain and administrate by a web-based dashboard.
>> - It is driven by people with the heart in the right place ;-)
>>
>> Just my 2 cents.
>>
>> JuergeN
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> wsfii-discuss mailing list
>> wsfii-discuss <at> lists.okfn.org
>> http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/wsfii-discuss
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>
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Bruce Schulte | 22 Jan 2009 18:48

Re: help choosing between open-mesh and fonera

As former Sales Rep Meraki South America, we no longer impressed nor amused with Meraki  - we are using Ubiquitis, Mikrotik here in Ecuador and very interested in getting manos on some Open-Mesh pronto.


Regards
 
Bruce Schulte
Aire.ec


On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Ben West <westbywest <at> gmail.com> wrote:
I didn't realize that the Foneras with the stock firmware did not
mesh, but yes, that's what it looks like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FON

Meraki.com is a commercial vendor of meshing routers with
closed-source firmware, although their devices just got more expensive
($100/ea instead of $50.ea).  Also, Meraki recently decided to lock
out 3rd-party firmware from operating with their service.
http://www.virishi.net/from-happy-hacking-screw-you-story-meraki

For now, open-mesh.com has the more cost-effective, flexible solution,
although you would do well to get larger antennae and possibly even
apply this mod to fix power supply issues:
http://robin.forumup.it/viewtopic.php?t=873&mforum=robin

I do read. nevertheless, that Meraki has teamed up with a non-profit
named One Economy to use mesh device to bring broadband to low income
families:
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/meraki-and-one-economy-team,680985.shtml

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Jonathan <ac3bf1 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Also I think La Fonera does NOT scale to a mesh...
>
> You need something like openmesh, or OpenWRT type of firmware.
>
> I have no experience with open-mesh but heard good things ;-)
>
> Make sure you use good routers for the intallation...
> Fonera routers are weak for this porpose and i would suggest a double
> interface router...
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> /******************
> Some Interesting websites:
> http://ac3bf1.org - My Personal Blog
> http://gsm.wiker.org - GSM Project Homepage
> http://infosec.wiker.org - Information Security Wiki
> http://ninux.org - Wireless Community Rome
> ******************/
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Juergen Neumann <j.neumann <at> ergomedia.de>
> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Carlos,
>>
>> > ...
>> > were thinking of making use either of Fonera or Open-Mesh
>> > routers. We do not have any experience with any of them, but I was
>> > wondering whether
>> > you could recommend me any of them or propose any another option for
>> > such deployment.
>> > ...
>>
>> Please go for open-mesh.com!
>>
>> - It is very simple (no configuration required!)
>> - much more flexible, cause it can bring (Internet-)Access to places many
>> hops beyond the Internet uplink by meshing.
>> - Since the latest release is very stabile and solid. I did not have any
>> trouble ever since the last firmware release.
>> - It is the result of years of research and development to support
>> projects like yours the best way possible.
>> - It is all Free and Open Source Software.
>> - It is easy to maintain and administrate by a web-based dashboard.
>> - It is driven by people with the heart in the right place ;-)
>>
>> Just my 2 cents.
>>
>> JuergeN
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> wsfii-discuss mailing list
>> wsfii-discuss <at> lists.okfn.org
>> http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/wsfii-discuss
>
>
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Charles Wyble | 22 Jan 2009 18:57

Re: help choosing between open-mesh and fonera

Ubiquitis are super nice. If your gonna spend 100 a node then get 
something industrial grade like ns2. The fon routers are quite 
underpowered and they overheat.

Reflash with OpenWRT and bobs your uncle. :)

Bruce Schulte wrote:
> As former Sales Rep Meraki South America, we no longer impressed nor 
> amused with Meraki  - we are using Ubiquitis, Mikrotik here in 
> Ecuador and very interested in getting manos on some Open-Mesh pronto.
> 
> Regards
>  
> Bruce Schulte
> Aire.ec
>
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