Juergen Neumann | 6 May 19:08 2008
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OpenHardware


Hi all, 

back from OpenTech Summit Taiwan there is a lot to tell. Marek did a great job in organizing the event
togehter with many help from the locales. Xavier and his friends from France did a video which they will
publish soon. 

But now I have a more or less urgent request. I was offered some 10.000 GPS modules while beeing in Taiwan. The
modules need some more electronic arround them to be functional. I thought, maybe some of you could make
use of them, eg. by building a GPS tracker e.g. for OpenStreetMaps in Africa or India. Is anybody
interested to hear more, then please contact me on the open hardware mailinglist:
https://lists.openpattern.org/mailman/listinfo/open-hw or via PM. 

There are some nice blogs out there with impressions on OTS.tw, eg:
http://pradeepto.livejournal.com (Thank you, Pradeepto!). And here are some pictures:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ilyaericlee/sets/72157604747361082/ 

Kindly,

JuergeN 

Here are some pictures http://www.flickr.com/photos/ilyaericlee/sets/72157604747361082/ 
Vickram Crishna | 7 May 11:10 2008
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ultraportable, they say

http://feeds.engadget.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadget/~3/285026428/

Ross Rubin writes on open source based devices, including the EEE PC. Astonishingly (only because it has happened so quickly) relatively powerful hardware devices are emerging rapidly, portables at what used to be desktop pricing, loaded with 'tuned' FOSS OSes. Of course, XO deserves credit for focusing the world's attention on this gap, against the many other projects that attempted to do the same thing before (the Jhai, Simputer, Sirius, ... so many more). I totally doubt any manufacturer would otherwise have put any effort into resolving the gap between perceived and real performance specs.

As I expected (and of course most people on these lists know already, so I am just belabouring the point), the sort of software development needed to make a device work 'out of the box' was actually much easier to kick off in the non-proprietary world.

Will this be repeated with hardware? The EEE and its more expensive recent sidekick (I forget the name) have not come out of open design efforts, nor have most of the others. To a large extent, this has been due to restrictions from manufacturers of components, I think. I don't know how ready the manufacturing wolrd is now, to encourage this approach to design.
 
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jeff buderer | 11 May 15:06 2008

Re: ultraportable, they say

Vickram,

Its does seem from recent events that ASUS is engaging people in the open source community and is the most receptive to our efforts as compared to other corporate efforts. My view is that this is an encouraging step.

However how much this translates into actual Open Hardware achievements is to a large extent determined by how concerns about IP are resolved so that corporations dont feel they are risking their IP and financial future by going the Open Hardware route.

So I feel you are putting the onus on the manufacturers rather than those lobbying for those changes. I would not put the onus on the companies to put forward real changes without assurances that these efforts will not compromise their bottom line.

As I understand it Vic Hayes effort in leading the wifi effort was to a larger degree about communications and finding a common understanding for universal standards through out the industry that all the participants could agree on.

Open Hardware should be designed with similar considerations:
  1. clear listing of advantages for companies such as profitability and innovation
  2. benefits to consumers
  3. what is the compelling reason for Open Hardware
  4. what is the guidelines for (corporate) participation, for product designation as Open Hardware and also process for input from the grassroots in this process
Jeff Buderer
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http://feeds.engadget.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadget/~3/285026428/

Ross Rubin writes on open source based devices, including the EEE PC. Astonishingly (only because it has happened so quickly) relatively powerful hardware devices are emerging rapidly, portables at what used to be desktop pricing, loaded with 'tuned' FOSS OSes. Of course, XO deserves credit for focusing the world's attention on this gap, against the many other projects that attempted to do the same thing before (the Jhai, Simputer, Sirius, ... so many more). I totally doubt any manufacturer would otherwise have put any effort into resolving the gap between perceived and real performance specs.

As I expected (and of course most people on these lists know already, so I am just belabouring the point), the sort of software development needed to make a device work 'out of the box' was actually much easier to kick off in the non-proprietary world.

Will this be repeated with hardware? The EEE and its more expensive recent sidekick (I forget the name) have not come out of open design efforts, nor have most of the others. To a large extent, this has been due to restrictions from manufacturers of components, I think. I don't know how ready the manufacturing wolrd is now, to encourage this approach to design.
 
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Vickram Crishna | 14 May 04:59 2008
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Outbreak of mesh, in the wild

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/14534

The blog entry is by someone who has been working on delivering VoIP as an attractor for a rural mountain-region network. According to a report in Slashdot:

http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/13/1225259&from=rss

"A blogger on The Tech Report details his research and testing of wireless voice communication options for remote mountainous villages in rural undeveloped areas. The home-built project involves open-source software, low-cost wireless routers, solar power, mesh networking, unlicensed radio frequencies and VoIP technology. Although his research began several months ago, he has concluded the first stage of testing and is preparing to move near one of the sites where he hopes to eventually install the final functional network. Anyone with experience or ideas on the subject is invited to offer input and advice."
 
What is great about a movement like WSFII is that it does not take 'members' to make something happen, but people are ready when somebody is doing something interesting, or has something to offer, or needs help.

The blogger mentions awareness (well-referenced) of many of the networks who contribute to these discussions, and invites help.

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Vickram,

Its does seem from recent events that ASUS is engaging people in the open source community and is the most receptive to our efforts as compared to other corporate efforts. My view is that this is an encouraging step.

However how much this translates into actual Open Hardware achievements is to a large extent determined by how concerns about IP are resolved so that corporations dont feel they are risking their IP and financial future by going the Open Hardware route.

So I feel you are putting the onus on the manufacturers rather than those lobbying for those changes. I would not put the onus on the companies to put forward real changes without assurances that these efforts will not compromise their bottom line.

As I understand it Vic Hayes effort in leading the wifi effort was to a larger degree about communications and finding a common understanding for universal standards through out the industry that all the participants could agree on.

Open Hardware should be designed with similar considerations:
  1. clear listing of advantages for companies such as profitability and innovation
  2. benefits to consumers
  3. what is the compelling reason for Open Hardware
  4. what is the guidelines for (corporate) participation, for product designation as Open Hardware and also process for input from the grassroots in this process
Jeff Buderer
oneVillage Foundation
http://feeds.engadget.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadget/~3/285026428/

Ross Rubin writes on open source based devices, including the EEE PC. Astonishingly (only because it has happened so quickly) relatively powerful hardware devices are emerging rapidly, portables at what used to be desktop pricing, loaded with 'tuned' FOSS OSes. Of course, XO deserves credit for focusing the world's attention on this gap, against the many other projects that attempted to do the same thing before (the Jhai, Simputer, Sirius, ... so many more). I totally doubt any manufacturer would otherwise have put any effort into resolving the gap between perceived and real performance specs.

As I expected (and of course most people on these lists know already, so I am just belabouring the point), the sort of software development needed to make a device work 'out of the box' was actually much easier to kick off in the non-proprietary world.

Will this be repeated with hardware? The EEE and its more expensive recent sidekick (I forget the name) have not come out of open design efforts, nor have most of the others. To a large extent, this has been due to restrictions from manufacturers of components, I think. I don't know how ready the manufacturing wolrd is now, to encourage this approach to design.
 
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Juergen Neumann | 21 May 14:43 2008
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WSFII site is up and running again


Dear Bjarke, dear DIIRWB Team, dear all,

I am glad and happy to see that the WSFII-website is up and running again! That's really great. Thank you so much!

I have some thoughts about WSFII online:

With all my activities, whether it's freifunk.net or the newly formed OpenHardware Initiative, I am
always pinpointing to WSFII and our website http://wsfii.org. You can see that e.g. in my latest OHI
presentation which I held in Taiwan: http://www.openpattern.org/slides/OHI_Presentation_TW_20080425_jpn.pdf.

To me the true value of WSFII is the world spanning social network of experts in various fields we all have
formed over the past 5 years. Many times friendships have been the result of our common activities. 

I know that some people would like to turn WSFII or likewise initiatives into an legal and more organized
entity. But I do not see the value of this for our concernes. Most of the people here have numerous legal
entities in their backhand and if there is a need for an organisation we already have so many of them.
Forming a legal entity always includes exclusion and hirachies. For WSFII I am happy that we have managed
to avoid that. How far one can get on this path is well dicumented with e.g. the Debian project, who never
formed an entity for the main project either.

On the other hand a loose organisation has it's problems, too, especially when it comes to the need of
cooperating with exisiting entities or other legal bodies. Also some people see lack of liability and
engagement. But as many of our engagement is based on volunteer acitivies I do not see how getting a body
could really help to escape from that. Especially I think that many foundations have to struggle with
fundraising and halfly payed and non-payed labor and administration. I do not want to see WSFII end there.
Especially not if I think of the true size WSFII has already achieved.

But as we are not an entity I still see a great need for a brand or label, something we all refer to. I really like
the WSFII slogan and the logo (see upper left side of the webpage) and our memorandum of understanding. And
I still see a great need for physical meetings with a refenrence to the WSFII project.

So, I would really like to invite you to add the WSFII logo and a link from your local projects webpages to the
WSFII website and to make use of the event calendar on the website to add your local WSFII relevant events there.

Also we had the plan to start a new wiki at
http://www.wsfii.org/wsfii-memorandum-of-understanding/wiki/, long time ago, where you can also
find a link to the original WSFII wiki at http://www.wsfii.org/wiki/FrontPage. 

I think it could still be of relevance to switch to a media wiki as most of us are very familiar with it's
syntax. Saying that I would really think that it would be a good idea to install a new Media-Wiki now and fill
it will a lot of WSFII relevant contents we can gather from the various online and offline sources. This
could include 

- links with short descriptions of the various WSFII affiliated projects around the world
- Documentations of past WSFII events

and most important to me:

- a short bio of every person that feels close and supportive with WSFII, including skills and experience,
as well as their local acitivities.

I do believe that WSFII people arround the globe have already formed a unique human network across many
boundaries, boundaries like countries, continents and organisations. I would love to see that
documented at some place and I think that the WSFII-wiki would be the right place for doing so. As we
discussed earlier on the mailinglist, I do NOT want to make use of existing commercial systems like
linked-in, XING or likewise for our purpose. Fitting our DIY approach our own wiki is the right place to do
so I think.  

Please state your comments on my thoughts. I would be glad to hear your opinions, criticism and ideas.

Thx,

JuergeN
Vickram Crishna | 26 May 10:00 2008
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Open Projects and success

Titus Germanicus writes "If you're thinking about open sourcing a project in the near future, Mozilla might be the perfect blueprint to follow. At last week's Mesh 2008 conference in Canada, Mike Shaver, chief technology evangelist and founding member at Mozilla, and John Resig, a JavaScript evangelist at Mozilla — two of the key figures behind the success of Mozilla's Firefox Web browser — listed inclusivity and transparency as two of the top cornerstones of any community-built project. Shaver said in this interview that because the Web is intended for everybody, the level same openness should be shared with Firefox's open source contributors."
 
http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/298094770/article.pl

Refreshingly, the details of emulating this path in hardware, and indeed, from design upwards, have inclusivity and transparency as the touchstone. As they have in free/open source software, 'business models' are emerging (like Ponoko and OpenMoko) here as well.

Where I see some serious structural issues ahead is open organisations, such as wsfii. Despite the wonderful role it plays, and the unstinting help and guidance that impacts many tens of thousands already - and hopefully that number will not stop growing exponentially until connectivity is ubiquitous - there are things an unregistered organisation is simply not permitted to do. A deplorable restriction on human freedom - the freedom to associate in communities.

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Sylvia Cadena | 20 May 03:51 2008
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Wireless in Burma - DUMBO project

Hi everybody,

APNIC General Director (in copy f this message), is trying to find more support for the DUMBO 
project. If you know anyone who might be interested to collaborate it will be great if you can share 
that information with him. The information about the DUMBO project is attached.

All the best,

Sylvia

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