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Alexander Morlang | 1 Nov 2007 02:50
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Re: batman license (Was: funding supernodes)


Daniel Mullen schrieb:
> I stand corrected, the notice now reads:
> 
> "This work shall be used for non-military and non-surveillance purposes
> only." - not quite GPL.

in this case, it is a copyright breach of GPL, as stated in
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#ModifyGPL as any modification
is not allowed to be called GNU.

> 
> Still this leaves it quite unusable when many customers on the
> commercial side, who are not ISPs already, deploy these things for
> remote monitoring of some sort. Even a fish farm in Norway would not be
> allowed to monitor their ponds.

ether it has no licence or the restricion is not valid.
> 
> Daniel
> 

Alex

> 
> At 18:23 31.10.2007, you wrote:
>> On 10/27/07, *Daniel Mullen* < daniel.mullen <at> broadvox.com
>> <mailto:daniel.mullen <at> broadvox.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     For instance, if we wanted to make a commercial box running BATMAN
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Jay Vincent Plaza | 1 Nov 2007 23:32
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Listing...Increase our networking

Hello everyone!
 
Im one of the founders of HotCity Wireless, a not-for-profit organization in the Philippines. To learn more about us, pls. visit our site: www.hotcitywireless.org
 
Hope that we'll be able to increase our networking with other organizations.
 
Cheers

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Bogdan Tancic | 2 Nov 2007 00:08

Introducing - ews08

Hello to all,
 
Nice to see that two international lists merged into one (thnx to list admins).
 
I'm Bogdan Tancic from BGWireless community network (Belgrade/Serbia). Maybe some of you know, we are trying to organize European Wireless Summit next year; currently waiting for sponsorship approvals.
 
We are making list of organizations supporting this event so feel free to join in. Here is current list:

Acorn Active Media Foundation, CUWiN Foundation, EthosWireless.com, FreeNetworks.org, New America Foundation, FunkFeuer Vienna, Austin Wireless City Project, Less Networks, NYCwireless, CCI (Center for Community Informatics) Loyola College, Ile Sans Fil Montreal Canada, Croatian Wireless Association – HRFreeNet, Guifi.net Spain, Irma-India, HuWiCo Hungary, Skopje Wireless Macedonia, bureau Federation France Wireless and many other domestic organizations.

 

We will make deeper discussion about concrete summit objectives and other questions after we get those approvals from sponsors.

 

Regrads,

 

Bogdan Tancic

BGWireless community network

http://www.bgwireless.net

pillot <at> bgwireless.net 

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Gregers Petersen | 2 Nov 2007 08:13
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Re: Introducing - ews08

Hello Bogdan

I think you can add:

DIIRWB.NET

to your list

and if you would like it:

WSFII.ORG

Chz

Bogdan Tancic wrote:
> Hello to all,
>  
> Nice to see that two international lists merged into one (thnx to list
> admins).
>  
> I'm Bogdan Tancic from BGWireless community network (Belgrade/Serbia).
> Maybe some of you know, we are trying to organize European Wireless
> Summit next year; currently waiting for sponsorship approvals.
>  
> We are making list of organizations supporting this event so feel free
> to join in. Here is current list:
> 
> Acorn Active Media Foundation, CUWiN Foundation, EthosWireless.com,
> FreeNetworks.org, New America Foundation, FunkFeuer Vienna, Austin
> Wireless City Project, Less Networks, NYCwireless, CCI (Center for
> Community Informatics) Loyola College, Ile Sans Fil Montreal Canada,
> Croatian Wireless Association – HRFreeNet, Guifi.net Spain, Irma-India,
> HuWiCo Hungary, Skopje Wireless Macedonia, bureau Federation France
> Wireless and many other domestic organizations.
> 
>  
> 
> We will make deeper discussion about concrete summit objectives and
> other questions after we get those approvals from sponsors.
> 
>  
> 
> Regrads,
> 
>  
> 
> /Bogdan Tancic/
> 
> /BGWireless community network/
> 
> /http://www.bgwireless.net// /
> 
> /pillot <at> bgwireless.net/ <mailto:pillot <at> bgwireless.net>
> 
> 
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john wilson | 2 Nov 2007 08:52
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Zdravo Bogdan -

You may add to your list of supporters:

Open Spectrum UK
http://openspectrum.org.uk/

Good luck with your event.

John

>From: "Bogdan Tancic" <pillot <at> bgwireless.net>
>Reply-To: Discuss list on the World Summit on Free Information 
>Infrastructure<wsfii-discuss <at> lists.okfn.org>
>To: <wsfii-discuss <at> lists.okfn.org>
>Subject: [wsfii-discuss] Introducing - ews08
>Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 00:08:38 +0100
>
>Hello to all,
>
>Nice to see that two international lists merged into one (thnx to list 
>admins).
>
>I'm Bogdan Tancic from BGWireless community network (Belgrade/Serbia). 
>Maybe some of you know, we are trying to organize European Wireless Summit 
>next year; currently waiting for sponsorship approvals.
>
>We are making list of organizations supporting this event so feel free to 
>join in. Here is current list:
>Acorn Active Media Foundation, CUWiN Foundation, EthosWireless.com, 
>FreeNetworks.org, New America Foundation, FunkFeuer Vienna, Austin Wireless 
>City Project, Less Networks, NYCwireless, CCI (Center for Community 
>Informatics) Loyola College, Ile Sans Fil Montreal Canada, Croatian 
>Wireless Association - HRFreeNet, Guifi.net Spain, Irma-India, HuWiCo 
>Hungary, Skopje Wireless Macedonia, bureau Federation France Wireless and 
>many other domestic organizations.
>
>
>
>We will make deeper discussion about concrete summit objectives and other 
>questions after we get those approvals from sponsors.
>
>
>
>Regrads,
>
>
>
>Bogdan Tancic
>
>BGWireless community network
>
>http://www.bgwireless.net
>
>pillot <at> bgwireless.net

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roland | 2 Nov 2007 10:48

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plz add Funkfeuer Graz to the list, we will join the summit

Bogdan Tancic wrote:
> Acorn Active Media Foundation, CUWiN Foundation, EthosWireless.com,
> FreeNetworks.org, New America Foundation, FunkFeuer Vienna, Austin
> Wireless City Project, Less Networks, NYCwireless, CCI (Center for
> Community Informatics) Loyola College, Ile Sans Fil Montreal Canada,
> Croatian Wireless Association – HRFreeNet, Guifi.net Spain, Irma-India,
> HuWiCo Hungary, Skopje Wireless Macedonia, bureau Federation France
> Wireless and many other domestic organizations.
> 
>  
> 
> We will make deeper discussion about concrete summit objectives and
> other questions after we get those approvals from sponsors.
> 
>  
> 
> Regrads,
> 
>  
> 
> /Bogdan Tancic/
> 
> /BGWireless community network/
> 
> /http://www.bgwireless.net// /
> 
> /pillot <at> bgwireless.net/ <mailto:pillot <at> bgwireless.net>
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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kdag | 2 Nov 2007 11:02
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Re: Introducing - ews08

www.altred.net (colombia) at least in spirit they will support you also ;)

/alejo

On 11/2/07, roland < roland <at> xaok.org> wrote:

plz add Funkfeuer Graz to the list, we will join the summit


Bogdan Tancic wrote:
> Acorn Active Media Foundation, CUWiN Foundation, EthosWireless.com,
> FreeNetworks.org, New America Foundation, FunkFeuer Vienna, Austin
> Wireless City Project, Less Networks, NYCwireless, CCI (Center for
> Community Informatics) Loyola College, Ile Sans Fil Montreal Canada,
> Croatian Wireless Association – HRFreeNet, Guifi.net Spain, Irma-India,
> HuWiCo Hungary, Skopje Wireless Macedonia, bureau Federation France
> Wireless and many other domestic organizations.
>
>
>
> We will make deeper discussion about concrete summit objectives and
> other questions after we get those approvals from sponsors.
>
>
>
> Regrads,
>
>
>
> /Bogdan Tancic/
>
> /BGWireless community network/
>
> /http://www.bgwireless.net// /
>
> /pillot <at> bgwireless.net/ <mailto:pillot <at> bgwireless.net>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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> wsfii-discuss <at> lists.okfn.org
> http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/wsfii-discuss


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Axel Neumann | 2 Nov 2007 11:53
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Re: batman license (Was: funding supernodes)

Hello,

On Donnerstag 01 November 2007, Alexander Morlang wrote:
> Daniel Mullen schrieb:
> > I stand corrected, the notice now reads:
> >
> > "This work shall be used for non-military and non-surveillance purposes
> > only." 

This is a statement! 

We are mainly focusing on non-commercial and free community networks 
initiatives. We do not want to support any sorts of trendy security paranoia, 
military usage, nor (as mentioned earlyer) these Big Brother eyes in any 
public/private areas.
Unfortunately, i am not aware of any license which really takes care of this 
aspect or even allows legal enforcement.

BTW: The GPU project has once raised a few discussions with 
their "non-military license" initiative. Seems to be not easy.
http://www.nabble.com/non-military-use-license-t2960016.html
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=236549&page=7

> > - not quite GPL. 
>
> in this case, it is a copyright breach of GPL, as stated in
> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#ModifyGPL as any modification
> is not allowed to be called GNU.
>
> > Still this leaves it quite unusable when many customers on the
> > commercial side, who are not ISPs already, deploy these things for
> > remote monitoring of some sort. Even a fish farm in Norway would not be
> > allowed to monitor their ponds.
>
> ether it has no licence or the restricion is not valid.

All documents/code on open-mesh.net are licensed individually and define this 
with its header of footer.
Generally, most of the source code (BATMAN) is licensed under GPL, so it 
allows commercial usage...
Most of the documents as well as the content of the web-pages is licensed 
under CC by-nc-sa. This license does not allow commercial usage.

ciao,
axel

>
> > Daniel
>
> Alex
>
> > At 18:23 31.10.2007, you wrote:
> >> On 10/27/07, *Daniel Mullen* < daniel.mullen <at> broadvox.com
> >> <mailto:daniel.mullen <at> broadvox.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     For instance, if we wanted to make a commercial box running BATMAN
> >>     and use profits from the product to finance projects, we would be
> >>     running afoul the license terms for use of BATMAN.
> >>
> >>
> >> Hm? Why is that? AFAICS, BATMAN is licensed under the GPL License,
> >> which doesn't prohibit any commercial use.
> >>
> >> -LM
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Joe Bowser | 2 Nov 2007 16:05

Re: batman license (Was: funding supernodes)

Axel Neumann wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Donnerstag 01 November 2007, Alexander Morlang wrote:
>   
>> Daniel Mullen schrieb:
>>     
>>> I stand corrected, the notice now reads:
>>>
>>> "This work shall be used for non-military and non-surveillance purposes
>>> only." 
>>>       
>
> This is a statement! 
>
> We are mainly focusing on non-commercial and free community networks 
> initiatives. We do not want to support any sorts of trendy security paranoia, 
> military usage, nor (as mentioned earlyer) these Big Brother eyes in any 
> public/private areas.
> Unfortunately, i am not aware of any license which really takes care of this 
> aspect or even allows legal enforcement.
>
>   
Unfortunately, I don't think that there is any Free License that does 
this, but I know that HESSLA 
(http://www.hacktivismo.com/about/hessla.php) does prevent people who 
abuse Human Rights from doing this.  I don't think this is really 
legally enforcable, but it may be more-so than "No Military".  However, 
I do know that the FSF doesn't consider any of these conditions free 
licenses.

On the other hand, if someone was using it for military or surveillance 
purposes, how much would you bet that they aren't sharing source code!

Joe
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Rob Dyke | 2 Nov 2007 16:16

Re: batman license

Different licenses for different parts of the puzzle? I see a conflict here. Commercial actors may have the
tools (code) but not the knowledge (documentation) necessary to make them work. Perhaps releasing the
code as text (under CC by-na-ca) rather than as code (under GPL) would bring about harmony of intention and
the non-commercial restriction desired. Else GPL the documentation like the code and be done with it.

--
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Subject: Re: [wsfii-discuss] batman license (Was: funding supernodes)

All documents/code on open-mesh.net are licensed individually and define this 
with its header of footer.
Generally, most of the source code (BATMAN) is licensed under GPL, so it 
allows commercial usage...
Most of the documents as well as the content of the web-pages is licensed 
under CC by-nc-sa. This license does not allow commercial usage.

ciao,
axel
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