Gerard Mourits | 1 Apr 12:40 2007

Re: Frequency Clock (was Re: Re: wsfii-discuss Digest, Vol 25, Issue 24)


On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 03:39:50 +0530, "Fred Pook" <fredpook <at> gmail.com>
said:
> Hi lindsey,
> I would love to try out Frequency Clock but the servers are down or
> something ...
> Maybe i should pass by http://frequencyclock.montevideo.nl/ since i am
> in amsterdam again and so is montevideo...
> 
> Any other place i can download it?
http://www.frequencyclock.net/index2.html

is this where youre looking for ?

Gerard
> 
> Thanks Freddy
> 
> 
> On 3/31/07, l annison <l.annison <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > jeff buderer wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I would like to see the Economic Sustainability of Community Wireless
> > as
> > > >> a major theme at the WSFII Africa 2007 Summit. I will begin work to
> > > >> incorporate the issue  of economic sustainability and (complementary to
> > > >> this marketing) into our planning for the Summit.
> > > >>
> > >
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james stevens | 1 Apr 19:29 2007

Re: Frequency Clock (was Re: Re: wsfii-discuss Digest, Vol 25, Issue 24)

Hi,

we still run a version of frequencyclock at 
http://frequencyclock.spc.org/ so have a peek there and use it as you 
wish..! there is hosting space and realserver running there.. let me 
know how you get on..

easy

James

Gerard Mourits wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 03:39:50 +0530, "Fred Pook" <fredpook <at> gmail.com>
> said:
>   
>> Hi lindsey,
>> I would love to try out Frequency Clock but the servers are down or
>> something ...
>> Maybe i should pass by http://frequencyclock.montevideo.nl/ since i am
>> in amsterdam again and so is montevideo...
>>
>> Any other place i can download it?
>>     
> http://www.frequencyclock.net/index2.html
>   
is very out of date..
> is this where youre looking for ?
>
> Gerard
>   
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kloschi@subsignal.org | 1 Apr 21:34 2007

Re: Frequency Clock (was Re: Re: wsfii-discuss Digest, Vol 25, Issue 24)

On Sun, 2007-04-01 at 18:29 +0100, james stevens wrote:
> we still run a version of frequencyclock at 
> http://frequencyclock.spc.org/ so have a peek there and use it as you 
> wish..! there is hosting space and realserver running there.. let me 
> know how you get on..

why not replacing the proprietary real server with something better,
like icecast? I don't know anybody in comunities who could afford paying
licences to real.com ..

regard,
kloschi
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ramnarayan.k@gmail.com | 2 Apr 11:54 2007
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[Fwd: [india-gii] Rural Data Services using 802.11]


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [india-gii] Rural Data Services using 802.11
Date: Sun,  1 Apr 2007 23:28:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sharath jeppu <sharathjeppu <at> gmail.com>
To: india-gii <at> lists.cpsr.org

Here's a mail that I received from a friend in Intel and I thought it
might be
of Interest to the group. If anybody is interested in offering their
services,
please let me know and I will pass on the information to Srini.

---------
Hi Sharath

It was good talking to you a few minutes back.

Just to iterate I am running a startup venture incubated within Intel,
focusing
on providing cost-effective Rural Data Services.

The idea is to provide/own last-mile p-2-p connectivity, from say, the
district
HQs to the villages (represented by a community service centre/ kiosk).
This is
based on some disruptive innovations from our side (we talked about it last
time) that enables low cost, high bandwidth wireless connectivity over a
long
rangeÂ…thus making it possible for transporting b/w hungry applications and
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james stevens | 2 Apr 12:16 2007

Re: Frequency Clock (was Re: Re: wsfii-discuss Digest, Vol 25, Issue 24)

Hi Kloschi,

FC and our channel http://blink.spc.org is a legacy system (2000-2002) 
and back in the day, Real was the best of a bad choice..   
frequencyclock triggers start times for streaming media into a standard 
web browser window which switches between media types and respective 
embedded players of those files scheduled - early iceacst versions could 
not relay embedded video formats..(not sure if  this is possible now?) 
As a producer of programs to be listed in FC its up to you to define the 
format (and embedded player)  to best present your channel content. So 
for example if our program material is MP4 .mov then a quicktime 
embedded player may respond to the browser request for supporting plugin.

These days we still trouble over effective standards for streaming media 
- which has declined in interest for most people in the shadow of 
youtube etc.. we run darwinSS, icecast and this legacy live real 
streaming server v.5 (which doesn't cost us anything) for those still 
working with older models.

there is a small group of people still looking at the development 
prospects for FC. So much has changed in the way we all associate with 
data and mix materials but some of the key scheduling and adaptability 
aspects of FC still carry value. If you are interested in getting 
involved with future FC then please get in touch with its author Adam 
Hyde and join the group.

adam <at> xs4all.nl

you may also be interested in the work in progress at 
http://www.transmission.cc/
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Re: Economic Sustainability of Community Wireless (sorry had to resend due to incorrect hyperlink)

Lindsey, Jeff, Ian
      I completely agree  with your observations.
 I pointed out in our panel Discussion on: Business Models for Community Wireless Networks held at Dharamsala .  about India's early 1980s experiment in bringing the telephone penetration into rural area.  The trick was a simple  business model of  " Public Call Office " ( PCO ) .

A simple 'plug and play '  telephone instrument &  billing machine  did the trick in exponentially increasing the telecom reach.

The community wireless can easily repeat the story provided  you make participation in network simple , prosperous & address some immediate needs.

Best wishes
Ashish Saboo
Association of Public ICT Tools Access Provider
URL : http://www.apiap.org
Blog: http://apiap.blogspot.com
News: http://internetcafenews.blogspot.com
alt email : apiap <at> rediffmail.com



On 3/30/07, Ian Howard <ihoward <at> netdotworking.com> wrote:
Lindsey, Jeff,

Indeed, I would like to second what Jeff suggests, though there are
differing view within the community for the role of business in free
information infrastructures, there is at least a consensus that
sustainable models are required to support these infrastructures. There
is also, I might add, a vast difference in the interests (at least from
an economic perspective) between groups who are focused on community
networks in developed economies, to those who are working in developing
economies. I suggest that we not try and lump them together, as the
strategies and economic foundations are completely different, IMHO.

In the upcoming release of the WNDW book, we intend to add in this
section, that is an "Economic Sustainability" section of the book. This
is a topic that we have been dedicated to for the past number of years,
since our time at Geekcorps Mali. There is a growing interest in this
topic and generally in the economic models to support free
infrastructures. This chapter will, of course, focus on developing world
applications.

Ian

Adapted Consulting


jeff buderer wrote:
> Lindsey,
>
> One related issue may be a misconception by some that WSFII is
> anti-business. Several have commented on this to me personally. It may
> be that many of us are anti-corporate status quo but that does not mean
> we are anti-business or anti-corprorate. Most of us here (it seems) do
> want to find a viable way to do what we are doing as it relates to
> wireless and so that means business/social enterprise development. Some
> of us are even open to in the right conditions working with corporations
> to get our work more widely known and to provide funding to sustain our
> work.
>
> It was my uderstanding that a focus point/goal for the Air Jaldi Summit
> was to investigate sustainable business models for wireless networks.
> However it is not clear to me what was actually gained on a practical
> level and what if there was any exploration in terms of how to build
> economically sustainable wireless networks particularly in emerging
> markets.
>
> Apparently very few people attended Laura Drewett's Workshop "Economics
> of Small Wireless Networks
> http://summit.airjaldi.com/home/program/workshops/economics-for-small-se
> rvice-operators/" (also some great resources here
> http://resources.airjaldi.com/?page_id=23)at AJS.
>
> Possibly there is a bit too much focusing on the engineering and
> technical solutions and not enough on making the business model work.
> This complements an effective strategy of promotion. Furthermore we need
> a "complete ecosystem approach" that combines the best of breed
> technologies and approaches to develop networks that can be scaled and
> replicated moving the whole network forward in terms of as you say
> "hitting the mark".
>
> The three main considerations I see are:
> 1. Economic sustainability - Enable weaning off of grants and towards
> incuation of local ICT related ventures esp in emerging markets 2.
> Social infrastructure -  Social/technological/economic infrastucture
> integrated is necessary to ensure network sustainability. 3. Technology
> innovations - with good integrated with the economic and social
> innovations in the network (1 & 2)
>
> I would like to see the Economic Sustainability of Community Wireless as
> a major theme at the WSFII Africa 2007 Summit. I will begin work to
> incorporate the issue  of economic sustainability and (complementary to
> this marketing) into our planning for the Summit.
>
> Possibly we could use the materials in your email as a starting point
> for planning a session on the effective promotion of community wireless
> networks.
>
> A capstone session could include people getting together in a workgroup
> (along the lines of what I had proposed for AJS
> http://summit.airjaldi.com/wiki/index.php/Integrated.Development.Approac
> h) and looking at the best practices in wireless network with an eye for
> integration. We can then consider as part of the workshop not just a
> peicemeal approach but consider how we can effectively integrate all the
> pieces to great compelling projects that speak for themselves. This
> would include consideration of how to build business models to maximize
> the replication of these wsfii projects.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
> This post, combined with the previous one about creating video footage
> about wsfii type projects, are of great interest to me personally as
> they have cropped up in UK conversations for several years, and
> particularly recently.
>
> It has always seemed to be one area where community wi-fi/broadband
> networks haven't always hit the mark - whether with governments,
> funders, local authorities, establishing credibility with consumers etc.
> Mainly, it has seemed, cos we are so busy trying to get the solutions to
> work, that there is little time for self-promotion.
>
> In each community, and globally, we have a mix of skills. Techies,
> support, coders, promoters, grant seekers etc.
>
> I would like to propose, in light of the posts about case studies and
> video footage, that we get together those who are very interested in the
> marketing and promotion side of community broadband networks, and talk
> amongst ourselves. Just from last week's talks with Freifunk and
> Funkfeuer for some EU research for the rural broadband conference in
> Brussels in May, we have found that we have contacts between us covering
> most of the EU, and then some in US, Asia and Australia. Errr... in
> fact, global contacts!! After all, this community broadband world is not
> very big, yet. ;o)
>
> If everyone could decide which event to go to this summer in EU (!),
> perhaps we could have one track for those of us interested in promoting
> community broadband activity, and tie it in with the amazing work coming
> from the other side of the Atlantic through Sasha, Alison etc, and in
> Asia, and start making a much bigger impact by working together.
>
> Or just start it all online through a separate list about promotional
> activity to get the word out about the grassroots' efforts ongoing
> across the world?
>
> I'm happy to be amongst the UK/EU contacts more than happy to get
> involved in that type of work, and push to get together TV/video
> footage, and publicise the case studies etc created by us all wherever
> we are.
>
> Let's JFDI?!
>
> ATB
> Lindsey Annison
> l.annisonatgmail.com
> Co-founder, Access to Broadband Campaign
> http://www.ABCampaign.org
> Founder member, Community Broadband Network http://www.broadband-uk.coop
>
> Author: JFDI Community Broadband: Wennington
> http://www.lulu.com/content/488550
>
>
>


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Re: Journal of Community Informatics

Hi Fred ,
     Community Informatics ( CI ) are a wonderful group of as passionate people as in WSFII  who care for the community  & are taking the trouble of  setting up practise area in systematically diessiminating Information on  research, development and training in support of the range of Community Information system .
Its origin  lie in here  http://www3.fis.utoronto.ca/research/iprp/cracin/
& currently migrating to http://www.communityinformatics.net/index.htm .

I am an equal fan of CI & WSFII.   lets put it this way for the world community  WSFII is the plumber , then CI is the community's MIS manager . :) .
 CI is more theoretical than  WSFII complements beautifully  in its pragmatic  action plan.  & both are working in their own way to bridge the digital divide. B
But lets see if we can cross this small  Atlantic ocean in community understanding .

cheerio

Ashish Saboo

Association of Public ICT Tools Access Provider
URL : http://www.apiap.org







On 3/30/07, Fred Pook <fredpook <at> gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Alison, All,

The site (http://www.ci-journal.net/index.php/ciej) looks very nice
but i am not entirely sure what it is about. Also the last entry is 1
year old. Are you and Sascha trying to revive the journal?

Please explain in simple English for us EU hackers what it is about.
Also I would like to know if Community Informatics is about real
practical cases, like actually building networks or some academic sky
watching club.

Thanks Freddy


On 3/30/07, l annison <l.annison <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Sascha Meinrath from CuWin and I are putting together a special issue of
> the
> > Journal of Community Informatics (
> http://www.ci-journal.net/index.php/ciej)
> > on Community Wi-Fi.  We are especially looking for 500 to 1000 word "Field
> > Notes" that describe community Wi-Fi projects in different contexts. I
> hope
> > people on this list will contribute to help share their projects with a
> > wider audience, and exchange best practices.  We would love to see short
> > summaries by around April 15 and final writing by June 1. More details
> > below.
> >
> > Alison Powell
> > Île Sans Fil, Montreal
> >
> >
> This post, combined with the previous one about creating video footage about
> wsfii type projects, are of great interest to me personally as they have
> cropped up in UK conversations for several years, and particularly recently.
>
> It has always seemed to be one area where community wi-fi/broadband networks
> haven't always hit the mark - whether with governments, funders, local
> authorities, establishing credibility with consumers etc. Mainly, it has
> seemed, cos we are so busy trying to get the solutions to work, that there
> is little time for self-promotion.
>
> In each community, and globally, we have a mix of skills. Techies, support,
> coders, promoters, grant seekers etc.
>
> I would like to propose, in light of the posts about case studies and video
> footage, that we get together those who are very interested in the marketing
> and promotion side of community broadband networks, and talk amongst
> ourselves. Just from last week's talks with Freifunk and Funkfeuer for some
> EU research for the rural broadband conference in Brussels in May, we have
> found that we have contacts between us covering most of the EU, and then
> some in US, Asia and Australia. Errr... in fact, global contacts!! After
> all, this community broadband world is not very big, yet. ;o)
>
> If everyone could decide which event to go to this summer in EU (!), perhaps
> we could have one track for those of us interested in promoting community
> broadband activity, and tie it in with the amazing work coming from the
> other side of the Atlantic through Sasha, Alison etc, and in Asia, and start
> making a much bigger impact by working together.
>
> Or just start it all online through a separate list about promotional
> activity to get the word out about the grassroots' efforts ongoing across
> the world?
>
> I'm happy to be amongst the UK/EU contacts more than happy to get involved
> in that type of work, and push to get together TV/video footage, and
> publicise the case studies etc created by us all wherever we are.
>
> Let's JFDI?!
>
> ATB
> Lindsey Annison
> l.annisonatgmail.com
> Co-founder, Access to Broadband Campaign
> http://www.ABCampaign.org
> Founder member, Community Broadband Network
> http://www.broadband-uk.coop
> Author: JFDI Community Broadband: Wennington
> http://www.lulu.com/content/488550
>
>
>
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Sven Wagner | 3 Apr 16:45 2007

[wcw2007] sofanetwork

hi

who is searching for a sleeping place for the WirelessCommunityWeekend 
2007 in berlin?
I know that james and vortex need one, who else?
please drop me a pm

cheers
	cven
Fred Pook | 3 Apr 18:43 2007
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Re: [wcw2007] sofanetwork

me! but maybe i can crash at juergens ...

On 4/3/07, Sven Wagner <cven <at> c-base.org> wrote:
> hi
>
> who is searching for a sleeping place for the WirelessCommunityWeekend
> 2007 in berlin?
> I know that james and vortex need one, who else?
> please drop me a pm
>
> cheers
>        cven
>
>
>
>
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Fred Pook | 3 Apr 19:00 2007
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India delicenses 5.8 GHz band

Hi,
I just got word that 50 MHz in the 5.8 GHz band is now de-licensed in India.
Pls check:
Indian Govt delicenses 50 MHz of spectrum in 5.8 GHz band for WiMAX use

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Telecom/Govt_delicenses_50_MHz_of_spectrum_in_58_GHz_band_for_WiMAX_use/articleshow/1635433.cms

Thank U India!
Freddy

Gmane