EU lifts silly decade old rules on vegetable shapes: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/real_food/article5134287.ece _c _______________________________________________ permaculture mailing list permaculture@... Subscribe or unsubscribe here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture Google command to search archives: site:http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture searchstring
http://www.slocounty.ca.gov/planning/Property_Uses_and_Development/Secondary_Dwelling_Stock_Plans.htm *Free Secondary Dwelling House Plan Program * San Luis Obispo County is in need of housing that is affordable to a wide range of individuals and families. Secondary Dwellings can help meet this need because they often utilize existing infrastructure, are energy efficient due to their size, and usually have little impact on existing neighborhood character. Many Secondary Dwellings can fit easily into the backyard area of existing lots. In order to encourage property owners to build Secondary Dwellings, especially in the urban areas, the Planning and Building Department sought to eliminate or reduce some barriers to building Secondary Dwellings, such as architectural design and engineering fees, permit fees, and the time it normally takes to process a building permit by offering free* building plans for Secondary Dwellings. The Planning and Building Department worked with the local chapter of the American Institute of Architects, the Workforce Housing Coalition and the Builders Exchange to put on a design competition among local licensed architects, resulting in ten winning home designs. The plans range from 360 to 800 square feet. L. Santoyo, Director EarthFlow Design Works http://earthflow.com http://twitter.com/LarrySantoyo _______________________________________________ permaculture mailing list permaculture@...(Continue reading)
Lawrence F. London wrote: > I was planning to write a wandering tale about a pipe dream of an idea for peaceful coexistence between Jews and Arabs so enamored of such prospects. (snip) > Just for starters. The good news, larry, is that "for starters" what you mentioned already exists. the main missing ingredient is simply more POSITIVE collaboration from those who care to see the dream become even more real. i'm not sure more blaming and complaining will help much, as that market is oversupplied already. incremental understanding may not be as dramatic as news clip conflict, but that's the beauty path, and i'd rather enjoy than deploy, grow rather than throw. there's open invitations to spend time in many west bank israeli and palestinian communities for anyone respectful of the hosts and appreciative of their traditional hospitality. if not ready for that live-time adventure, there's plenty of online reading about many many multicultural eco-peace activities which have continued through the years there, such as sulha and bustan. after actually living, working, and growing permaculture in the region for almost 3 years amongst local cultural hyperdiversity, speaking some arabic and hebrew, i barely scratched the surface of the deeper stories that are accessible for those called to learn there rather than pontificate from here. and i found little correlation between ethnic/political backgrounds and the likelihood of positive practice with others. the exceptions were at the sweet month long 2006 Golan Heights rainbow gathering encampment or the 2004 and 2005 sulha. there, everybody was positive, though the 3am drumming sessions outside my tent when i was hoping to sleep still challenged my peaceful nature. but i was encamped there for two weeks, and knew that those kids had to pack their party into just a short weekend... so compassion becomes the sweet fruit of personal difficulty.(Continue reading)
It seems this Brer Rabbit train has to come around about every 8 to 10 months those who are complaining that life is not one big free lunch are never satisfied with the response from those who are not disposed to provide that free lunch. I have a similar problem with community members who think that because they live in proximity to my garden that they are somehow granted the privilege of helping themselves to my tomatoes. It never occurs to them to offer to weed a little, or help with watering but they sure get upset when I refuse to share! Using the example of Hyderabad and Dr. Venkat bringing permaculture to India is stretching a point into fantasy. Bill Mollison and Robin Francis both traveled to India because they were invited, (this is an old pc tradition), They did not get free airline tickets, or other travel expenses and while they were gone their utilities, and gardens were not taken care of by some munificent angel. My guess is that their trip and work was paid for by both Dr. Vencat's connection as well as other grants. When Bill and I travelled together most of our expenses were paid for through foundations, but we also charged the students an appropriate tuition. Bill always said if you give it away people give it no value, as is proven by this string. Both Bill and I have given our share away to the truly needy but I can't count the number of people who ask for scholarships and then show up in high dollar transport. For some reason because permaculture is about sustainability and getting our shit together there is a whole stadium full of observers chanting that what we offer should be free and that includes the books, the videos, and my tomatoes - let me say now, it ain't gonna happen! If peoples shorts get in a twist by someone making a living doing permaculture then they should convince the library to purchase the(Continue reading)
Scott, Thank you for such a well reasoned response. Best wishes Christopher On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:14 PM, Scott Pittman wrote: > It seems this Brer Rabbit train has to come around about every 8 to 10 > months those who are complaining that life is not one big free lunch > are > never satisfied with the response from those who are not disposed to > provide > that free lunch. I have a similar problem with community members > who think > that because they live in proximity to my garden that they are somehow > granted the privilege of helping themselves to my tomatoes. It > never occurs > to them to offer to weed a little, or help with watering but they > sure get > upset when I refuse to share! > > Using the example of Hyderabad and Dr. Venkat bringing permaculture > to India > is stretching a point into fantasy. Bill Mollison and Robin Francis > both > traveled to India because they were invited, (this is an old pc > tradition), > They did not get free airline tickets, or other travel expenses and(Continue reading)
Hey FF, I've been trying to develop a contact base for travelling/working/learning among permaculture projects in the west bank. I'm from Brooklyn, and just took a design course with Santoyo. I have very little farming experience but hight hopes for permaculture design principles playing a role in my life. You mentioned open invitations for those hoping to learn the culture. My father is Palestinian, but I don't know any Arabic yet. This is an open ended adventure of discovery for me, and your help would be appreciated. I'll be there on the 14th of July, and so far have made plans with a place called Bustan Qaraaqa. Do you have any advise? Thanks for your discussion on the topic so far, it is very interesting to me. Dan 2009/6/30 Food Forests <foodforests@...> > > Lawrence F. London wrote: > > > I was planning to write a wandering tale about a pipe dream of an idea > for peaceful coexistence between Jews and Arabs > so enamored of such prospects. (snip) > > Just for starters. > > The good news, larry, is that "for starters" what you mentioned already > exists. the main missing ingredient is simply more POSITIVE collaboration > from those who care to see the dream become even more real. i'm not sure > more blaming and complaining will help much, as that market is oversupplied(Continue reading)
Here are some possible links?to Permaculture?in Palestine where you can make connections.? I suspect you will also learn a lot from the surviving Palestinian farmers in the West Bank.? That is a very old agricultural tradition that is practiced in Palestine. the roots go back to the ancestral Canaanites in the early Bronze Age.? Good luck the Palestinians on the ground there need all the support they can get as the survive the Israeli onslaught.? I also took my course from Larry Santoyo. Larry Saltzman http://www.thefarm.org/permaculture/ Murad's Permaculture Page Nabluus, West Bank, Palestine ecovillage at thefarm dot org Telephone 931-964-4474 Fax 931-964-2200 http://bristol.indymedia.org/article/687964 http://bedouina.typepad.com/doves_eye/2009/06/permaculture-in-palestine.html And here is a site in Israel for the Bedouin: http://www.kibbutzlotan.com/creativeEcology/peaceJusticeEnvironment.html -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Mazen Kablaoui <dankablaoui@...> To: permaculture <permaculture@...> Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:35 am Subject: Re: [permaculture] PC diversity: whiter shady pals Hey FF, I've been trying to develop a contact base for travelling/working/learning(Continue reading)
Good answer! Here in the so called "first world", particularly in the U.S., we may be seeing one of the most narcissistic set of generations ever experienced - starting with the baby boomers and the successive generations. There is a sense of entitlement that amazes me. A sustainable culture will be based on mutual support. Payment for goods or services may or may not be made in cash, but it sure won't involve over entitled people demanding everything for free. Larry Saltzman -----Original Message----- From: Scott Pittman <scott <at> permaculture.org> To: 'permaculture' <permaculture <at> lists.ibiblio.org> Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:14 pm Subject: Re: [permaculture] Why is permaculture more about selling books, DVDs and training courses? It seems this Brer Rabbit train has to come around about every 8 to 10 onths those who are complaining that life is not one big free lunch are ever satisfied with the response from those who are not disposed to provide hat free lunch. I have a similar problem with community members who think hat because they live in proximity to my garden that they are somehow ranted the privilege of helping themselves to my tomatoes. It never occurs o them to offer to weed a little, or help with watering but they sure get pset when I refuse to share! Using the example of Hyderabad and Dr. Venkat bringing permaculture to India s stretching a point into fantasy. Bill Mollison and Robin Francis both raveled to India because they were invited, (this is an old pc tradition), hey did not get free airline tickets, or other travel expenses and while hey were gone their utilities, and gardens were not taken care of by some unificent angel. My guess is that their trip and work was paid for by both r. Vencat's connection as well as other grants.(Continue reading)
Larry, are we now recommending that people dig up their back yards and plant more houses? Or was your article meant to be tongue in cheek? In the Raleigh area we're having a lot of people recommending more "infill" now. Every pocket park and bit of greenery is being eyed as a venue for more housing units. Quality of life is going down month by month as we switch over from trees to concrete. I agree there's a problem at the edges. Farms are being gobbled up wholesale for conversion to instant super-developments, centered around a lake, clubhouse and shopping center. Thousand of units, all made of ticky tacky, and new families to fill them. What we really need is more birth control. The thought that the residents of San Luis Obispo should do their patriotic duty and build an extra story onto their house, or apartments in their back yards, so they can help house all the new people being churned out, is kind of scary. Mike Elvin _______________________________________________ permaculture mailing list permaculture@... Subscribe or unsubscribe here: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture Google command to search archives: site:http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture searchstring
I am not Larry. . . but . . . birth control is a long term issue, it does nothing for the present situation. The additional affordable housing is needed by people who already exist, many of whom work full time jobs in urban areas but can't afford housing. Most of these suburban areas have large lots that have plenty of room for a small house or garage apartment and room to garden, both annuals and perennials. My lot has 1/7th of an acre and has two houses on it plus a driveway and sidewalks and even so I manage so much green that someone who came to visit me yesterday drove by the house because they couldn't see the house for the foliage. I had told them "we are on the corner with a forest instead of a yard" but the full import of that didn't apparently sink in. So yes, our cities need more dense utilization of their existing spaces. If more single family homes either became duplexes or added garage/back-yard houses/apartments, there would be less demand for giant apartment complexes and there would be more social justice. Robert Waldrop, Oklahoma City www.barkingfrogspermaculture.org ----- Original Message -----(Continue reading)
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