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Keith Johnson | 1 Sep 2007 01:38
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The Oil Depletion Protocol

*The Oil Depletion Protocol
By Richard Heinberg
$19 $17, * 2006, 194 pp
US 	Canada 	Elsewhere
$20.00 	$23.00 	$27.00

	

	

A practical plan to buffer the shock of Peak Oil and reduce the threat 
of war and civil chaos.

Healing Hawk wrote:
> If the US doesn't look like Europe pretty close to 2010, with trains that work
> and lots of types of bicycles, we're in for a tough time of it.  Richard
> Heinberg's newest book is called _The Oil Depletion Protocol_.  It tells how
> to gracefully go from today's ecological disaster to a smooth landing in the
> Post Oil economy in the US and elsewhere.  We need to start getting this
> happening now, and be weaned of oil when the flow stops. 
>
> Tommy Tolson
> Austin, TX
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SArjuna | 1 Sep 2007 03:44
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talking to ants

     I too talked to the ants that were walking all over my kitchen counters. 
   I told them that after 24 hours, any ant I saw there would be squished, 
and that they should go home and tell all their relatives.   24 hours later, not 
an ant in sight.
     I did see a couple after a while, and reluctantly squished them.   
Figured they were testing my resolve.
     That took care of it.    
     It does take yearly repetition, to some extent.

     Regards,
     Shivani in WI

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Keith Johnson | 1 Sep 2007 05:00
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Everything I Want to Do Is Illegal by Joel Salatin

http://www.mindfully.org/Farm/2003/Everything-Is-Illegal1esp03.htm

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Lawrence F. London, Jr. | 1 Sep 2007 05:04

Re: talking to ants

SArjuna@... wrote:

>      I too talked to the ants that were walking all over my kitchen counters. 
>    I told them that after 24 hours, any ant I saw there would be squished, 
> and that they should go home and tell all their relatives.   24 hours later, not 
> an ant in sight.
>      I did see a couple after a while, and reluctantly squished them.   
> Figured they were testing my resolve.

You could hav trapped the stragglers and released them unharmed outside to build elaborate ant mounds
while rototilling your soil. They would have earned their keep. Just think, they meander down life's path
then zig when they should have zagged and encounter the mighty hand of sarjuna as their adventure ends unceremoniously.
What would Sri Ramakrishna have done?

>      That took care of it.    
>      It does take yearly repetition, to some extent.

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lbsaltzman | 1 Sep 2007 17:34
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Seed source

Does anyone know a source of seed for Guizotia abyssinica commonly called Nyjer or niger?? I want to do a
small experimental planting.

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Charles de Matas | 1 Sep 2007 21:13
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Corn Ethanol's Dirty Little Secret

I think we have sprawl here in Trinidad (unless your idea of sprawl is 
different to mine).  We definitely have gridlock, no matter how you define 
it.  Has anyone on this list been to Mexico City?

Charles.

"Guyton Durnin" <gwdurnin@...> wrote:
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The US will never look like Europe.  We are way to spread out to be able to
have a similar mass transit system.  Sprawl is a condition that is most
common in the US; few other countries experience it.  Instead, they just
have gridlock.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Keith Johnson | 2 Sep 2007 02:20
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alien salad - off topic

http://www.framebox.de/creations/3d/salad/

Something you can do with your excess zucchini.

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Lawrence F. London, Jr. | 2 Sep 2007 06:00

Re: alien salad - off topic

Keith Johnson wrote:

> http://www.framebox.de/creations/3d/salad/
> 
> Something you can do with your excess zucchini.

Sorry, I'm busy, still collating.

........ looks like it has an amazing ability to adapt to adverse environmental conditions .....

sure as hell don't want to cut it with knife or fork, and cook it??? forget about juicer or blender;
want the Nostromo to completely melt down and leak into the void?

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J Kolenovsky | 2 Sep 2007 06:31
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The Oil Depletion Protocol


Keith and Tommy,

I've following Heinberg for over a year. I've read The Party's Over  and The
Oil Depletion Protocol. Yes, drastic, eye-opening, mind-boggling, unselfish
and unconsumptive changes that need to occur very quickly. Also, I've
noticed since New Year's that everyone is jumping in on the coming
energy/oil crash crisis like gangbusters. Well, isn't that special. A bunch
of profiteering polluters entering the arena.

A website that I like to visit very day for a short while is
http://www.energybulletin.net/.
This site is a must check in for the Peak Oil advocate. And you can pick any
contributor you would like to read on any given day. Heinberg publishes
often as well as Simmons.

I try to talk to people about Peak Oil and all they want to do is go buy a
Hummer. So,
I have a license plate that says BAN C02. Corny, maybe. But since I drive a
Volvo which is an environmentally friendly car, it should get someone to
question themself about our future. When I shop grocery stores and ask put
my goods in plastic bags, I tell them I want paper bags because they are
recyable, help children's paper drives abd don't choke fish and turtles and
other marine animals. They reply with blank stares. Then I ask, "Did you
know that 8 states have outlawed plastic bags in grocery stores?"

JK

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Toby Hemenway | 2 Sep 2007 06:52

Re: Corn Ethanol's Dirty Little Secret

A cliche-breaking book that I read a while back, "Sprawl: a compact 
history" by Robert Bruegmann, shows that there are a lot of 
misconceptions about the nature of sprawl and its causes and cures. 
Breugmann points out that the northeastern US is denser than most of 
Europe (Germany is 598 people/sq mi, France is half that, versus 
Connecticut at 723 or New Jersey at 1183. New York State is much denser 
than France. US big cities and suburbs are denser than the average in 
the world. Europe's sprawl is at least as bad as the US's--look at 
London and Paris. One fact that amazed me was that the greater Los 
Angeles area, stereotyped as the essence of sprawl, is now denser than 
the greater New York area. There is no reason, other than cheap gasoline 
and an anti-transit attitude, that the US couldn't have superb transit 
in its metropolitan areas if we wished it.

Toby
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> "Guyton Durnin" <gwdurnin@...> wrote:
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> The US will never look like Europe.  We are way to spread out to be able to
> have a similar mass transit system.  Sprawl is a condition that is most
> common in the US; few other countries experience it.  Instead, they just
> have gridlock.
>   
>
>
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