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Scott Vlaun | 1 Nov 2006 02:14

Re: Don't let people with pathogens - -

I read the book years ago and we've been using Jenkins' system ever  
since, although we've not used the compost yet. We are planning to  
use our first big batch from the last few years in an orchard. From  
what I remember, if composted hot, he used it in his veggie gardens  
after one year and it always tested free of pathogens. Even without  
aerobic activity to generate heat his humanure compost was clean  
after two years. This is the method we are opting for.

Scott Vlaun
Moose Pond Arts+Ecology
Design Solutions for a Sustainable Future

35 Moose Pond Road
Otisfield, Maine 04270
207-739-2409 Studio
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On Oct 14, 2006, at 6:44 PM, Jody Troupe wrote:

> Peter wrote:
>
> "It does not heat up so i don't let people with pathogens poop in  
> my bucket... "
>
> I have not read the Humanure Handbook, but I don't doubt its  
> possible to use human waste for compost. I am just wondering how,  
> in the light of what just happened with the whole spinach fiasco (I  
> know that was due to cattle poo, not humans), how do you ensure  
> there is no pathogen that might be hanging around? And ensure you
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Scott Vlaun | 1 Nov 2006 02:35

Re: Floating Duck Housing

The "Power of Duck" by Takao Furuno has some interesting bits about  
predator proofing and is a pretty interesting read besides.

Scott Vlaun
Moose Pond Arts+Ecology
Design Solutions for a Sustainable Future

35 Moose Pond Road
Otisfield, Maine 04270
207-739-2409 Studio
207-890-4099 Cell
http://www.moosepondarts.com

On Oct 31, 2006, at 12:27 PM, Michelle Maggiore wrote:

> Help! I have coveted my neighbor's ducks for a few years, but never  
> thought
> she would show up  pn my porch and give them to me. The caveat was  
> immediate
> ownership, and our chicken coop has proven insufficient. (This is  
> all in the
> last two hours) I was interested in offering them a floating house  
> (there
> are only 7) on our small pond  and was wondering if anyone on the  
> list has
> duck housing like that, and any tips for increasing their comfort and
> predator-proofing.
> Thanks!
> Michelle
>
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John Fritz | 1 Nov 2006 12:25
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hot composting of vegetable scraps

Do you have any reference for "hot compostiing" of kitchen and garden wastes?  I generally just toss these
into a chicken wire bin and let them decompose at their own rate over the course of the summer. Hot
composting sounds like fun, and I would like to learn this technique.  Thanks for any insights.

  John Fritz, NW Arkansas. 

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Generally the advice re humanure composting is to become adept at hot 
composting of kitchen and garden wastes before attempting humanure 
composting. Once your first batch of humanure compost has aged a 
year, if you have any doubts at all on whether it's safe to use, get 
it tested by a soil/microbiology lab. Or wait 2 years, or use it on 
ornamentals or fruit trees.

 
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Wesley Roe and Marjorie Lakin Erickson | 1 Nov 2006 15:12
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The Sixth International Ecocity Conference (Ecocity6) Bangalore, India 3rd 6th December 2006


The Sixth International Ecocity Conference (Ecocity6)
Bangalore, India  3rd  6th December 2006

Project Agastya and the Center for Sustainable Development, Bangalore, 
India in association with the Ecocity Builders, Inc., USA and several other 
organizations (Indian & International), are organizing the Sixth 
International Ecocity Conference (Ecocity 6) at Bangalore during December 2006.

The Theme of the Conference is : "From Theory and Planning to Development 
Transforming a City into an Ecocity". The Venue of the important events is 
the J N Tata Auditorium, National Science Seminar Complex, Indian Institute 
of Science, Bangalore.

Landmark event following 5 earlier pioneering & high profile conferences in 
other continents, the first held in Berkeley, USA (1990); Adelaide, 
Australia (1992); Yoff/Dakar, Senegal (1996), Curitiba, Brazil (2000) and 
Shenzhen, China (2002)

The Conference Series brings bringing together some of the world’s best 
brains in Urban Planning & Development, Governance, Environment, 
Technologies, Education, Non-Government Organizations and Industry.
The Organizing Committee of the International Ecocity Conference (Ecocity6) 
invites you to participate in the various events associated with this 
landmark Summit, and submit your works (paper(s) and poster(s)) 
presentation on topics outlined.

Who should Participate/Attend
Mayors, City Managers, elected Representatives, Planners, Architects, 
Developers, Designers, Environmental Specialists, Social Justice Activists
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Paul Cereghino | 1 Nov 2006 17:49
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Re: hot composting of vegetable scraps

The agricultural extension units of the land grant colleges typically 
have tons of info
http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/extension/compost/chapter1.html
Even the big boys compost -- and aerobic processes fit industrial time 
tables.
http://www.compost.wsu.edu/page.asp?rid=13

Also consider looking into the bio-intensive world of john jeavons - he 
has a interesting discussion of fast aerobic composting If you google, 
also use the term 'aerobic' composting

I tend to get lazy and fall back on burial of kitchen scraps since I 
have no fowl, and am leaning toward large worm bins to produce potting 
material -- the best lazy compost piles end up like worm bins anyway.  
The open food scrap heap looses a lot of nitrogen as nitrogen and 
ammonia gas.  A dusting of straw, weeds, or leaves, will help you 
nutrient retention

The problem with doing true hot composting at a residential scale is 
batch size.  I haven't played seriously with bacteria for a while, but 
when I did I tended to store my food scraps in 5 gallon buckets (butter 
cream frosting containers from the supermarket bakery work well if you 
can get them to keep the lids).You typically want a 4' square heap 
minimum to retain heat and get the temp up to the 140-160 degrees 
range... a long probe thermometer is a fun tool to track what is going 
on inside.  So a little added to the top every day is no way to build a 
hot pile.  A manure source is great for building a hot pile.

moist like a wrung sponge
small pieces of stuff
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Forest Garden | 1 Nov 2006 21:16
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Re: Busy season?

In Central Texas, this is the best time to plant just about everything from
veggies to trees.  I am outside almost all the time working.  The weather is
so nice everyone organizes events during this time of year so there is too
much to do (Spring too).

Farmers conferences and 4H clubs tend to have conventions in January for
similar reasons.

Cheers,

Marjory

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Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:53 PM
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> G'day,
>
> I personally have not had much to say because of my:
>
> A. Being quite busy with my full time job (Permaculture Design
> Consulting and Teaching)
> B. It usually only respond to threads that are of specific interest to
> me or if I'm doing some shameless self promotion
> C. I do a lot of my Permaculture correspondance on the much busier
> Permaculture Research Institute bulletin board
> (http://forums.permaculture.org.au/) - because one is usually able to
> take a thread along longer than I can on this one for some reason: again
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jedd | 2 Nov 2006 06:48

Ignition of mulch and grasses by firebrands in wildland-urban interface fires

 Forwarded article for anyone who has both mulch and a fire risk.

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International Journal of Wildland Fire 15(3) 427-431 

*Ignition of mulch and grasses by firebrands in wildland-urban
interface fires*

Samuel L. Manzello A , B , Thomas G. Cleary A , John R. Shields A and
Jiann C. Yang A 

A) Building and Fire Research Laboratory, National Institute of
Standards and Technology, 100 Bureau Drive, Gaithersburg, MD 20899-8662,
USA. 

B) Corresponding author. Email: samuel.manzello@... 

Abstract 
Firebrands or embers are produced as trees and structures burn in
wildland-urban interface (WUI) fires. It is believed that firebrand
showers created in WUI fires may ignite vegetation and mulch located
near homes and structures. This, in turn, may lead to ignition of homes
and structures due to burning vegetation and mulch. Understanding the
ignition events that are due to firebrands is important to mitigate fire
spread in communities. To assess the ignition propensity of such
materials, simulated firebrands of uniform geometry, but in two
different sizes, were allowed to impinge on fuel beds of shredded
hardwood mulch, pine straw mulch, and cut grass. The moisture content of
these materials was varied. Firebrands were suspended and ignited within
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Kathy Evans | 2 Nov 2006 13:49
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putting the garden to bed

Can anyone give me pointers regarding putting the garden to bed in a permacultury way that might be
different from what I usually do? Thank you, Kathy

Kathy Evans
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jedd | 2 Nov 2006 14:38

Re: putting the garden to bed

On Thursday 02 November 2006 11:49 pm, Kathy Evans wrote:
 ] ... permacultury way that might be different from what I usually do?

 What do you usually do?

 Jedd.
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Kathy Evans | 2 Nov 2006 21:05
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Re: putting the garden to bed

Jedd, I usually pull up the annuals, sometimes putting them in the compost,
sometimes leaving them where they are, and put away the "stuff"....stakes
and cages. Sometimes I spread some of whatever I have lying around, chopped
up leaves and/or straw and even compost if I'm very ambitious, but I often
don't get to that until Feb. or March. I've read many different theories
about leaving or not leaving the dead stuff where it is. I don't turn over
the soil or anything.  Thanks, Kathy

Kathy Evans
evansdk@...

> [Original Message]
> From: jedd <jedd@...>
> To: <evansdk@...>; permaculture <permaculture@...>
> Date: 11/3/2006 4:08:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] putting the garden to bed
>
> On Thursday 02 November 2006 11:49 pm, Kathy Evans wrote:
>  ] ... permacultury way that might be different from what I usually do?
>
>  What do you usually do?
>
>  Jedd.
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