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Scott Pittman | 1 Jul 2006 03:31

Re: permaculture Digest, Vol 41, Issue 49


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> Subject:
> Re: [permaculture] A good scythe
> From:
> Niels Corfield <mudguard@...>
> Date:
> Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:27:03 +0100
> To:
> permaculture <permaculture@...>
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> To:
> permaculture <permaculture@...>
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> Cut your wheat, use a grass blade, green or with seed.
> If with seed you want to get an attachment that catches the cut wheat, 
> can anyone think of its name?
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> But really don't till it, ay
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> N*

Its been years since I used a scythe but we used to harvest with a 
scythe that had wooden fingers behind the blade that was called a 
cradle.  The cradle caught the cut wheat with each swing of the scythe.

Scott Pittman
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Niels Corfield | 1 Jul 2006 13:27
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Re: A good scythe

People and Charles M,

Yes, purchase from Scythe Supply. -------Actually, perhaps not. See below.

The point I am making is the difference between one who /knows /the 
scythe and one who /sells /it.

The knowledge extends from him, it is he who has designed the snaths 
that the Scythe Shop sell.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial_s&q=peter+vido+adjustable+snath+design&btnG=Search&meta=

Talk to Peter, phone him and he will give clear, enlightening advice.
Here is his profile:
http://www.scytheconnection.com/adp/outline.html

Again, scythe supply /may /be an adequate supplier but read all of Peter 
Vido's literature before doing so.
He is by far the most experienced, known, West of the Atlantic, user.

Here is his buyer's guide:
http://www.scytheconnection.com/adp/retail/guide.html
In this document he is quite clear the snaths supplied by Scythesupply 
are "nothing to brag about" and are /not /adjustable.
Without adjustment you risk an inadequate fit, and the potential for 
others to use it.

Adjustable snaths and full kits can be bought from Simon Fairlie.
Again although there are complications with payment, he only accepts 
cheque or cash, he at least is a user and a teacher, as well as a seller.
You might consider his set B package, which contains all the necessary
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Lawrence F. London, Jr. | 1 Jul 2006 14:12

Re: A good scythe

Niels Corfield wrote:
> People and Charles M,
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> Yes, purchase from Scythe Supply. -------Actually, perhaps not. See below.

The two companies are excellent and we need both of them.
You need to promote Scythe Supply as well as Peter's company. They are the only two sources of good scythes in
North 
America.

> The point I am making is the difference between one who /knows /the 
> scythe and one who /sells /it.

We do not need your helping to continue propagating all those uncharitable comments made by SC about SS,
pseudo puristic BS. SS sells excellent equipment. If SC sells better blades then buy them but SS's are also excellent.
People need scythes and they need to acquire them, learn to use them and put them to work. That's the most
important 
thing. There is no need for pseudo-puristic petty carping about the competition when there's work to be done.

The person who started SS passed away, sadly, and his wife is continuing the business.

> Again, scythe supply /may /be an adequate supplier but read all of Peter 
> Vido's literature before doing so.

> He is by far the most experienced, known, West of the Atlantic, user.

SC is not the only fish in the sea.
SS offers excellent products that more then adequately meet the needs of 75% of all scythe users.
You can order scythe blades and a few accessories directly from SC; I am in the process of buying 4 of them myself.
Just read his website and find the contact page, email, write or phone your order.
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Niels Corfield | 1 Jul 2006 15:23
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Re: A good scythe

Simon Fairlie's shipment costs to the US are quite steep.
Perhaps it would be worth arranging collection for a shipment of his, 
since there is more competition in the US market for haulage.

Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:

>Niels Corfield wrote:
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>>People and Charles M,
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>>Yes, purchase from Scythe Supply. -------Actually, perhaps not. See below.
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>
>The two companies are excellent and we need both of them.
>You need to promote Scythe Supply as well as Peter's company. They are the only two sources of good scythes
in North 
>America.
>
>  
>
>>The point I am making is the difference between one who /knows /the 
>>scythe and one who /sells /it.
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>
>We do not need your helping to continue propagating all those uncharitable comments made by SC about SS,
>pseudo puristic BS. SS sells excellent equipment. If SC sells better blades then buy them but SS's are also excellent.
>People need scythes and they need to acquire them, learn to use them and put them to work. That's the most
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Lawrence F. London, Jr. | 1 Jul 2006 17:45

Re: A good scythe

Niels Corfield wrote:

> Simon Fairlie's shipment costs to the US are quite steep.
> Perhaps it would be worth arranging collection for a shipment of his, 
> since there is more competition in the US market for haulage.

I ordered a large quantity of Bulldog gardening tools from a hardware store in England;
they shipped it via air freight, expensive but worth it for the quality spades and other digging tools I was
able to add 
to the museum (I mean toolshed :-) Does he have anything that SS and SC do not carry?
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Charles de Matas | 1 Jul 2006 19:40
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A good Scythe

Thanks Roxann, Marjory, Niels and others who have replied to me.  I'm still 
looking at the scythe connection website, trying to learn more.  I like the 
philosophy of the website, appropriate tech, convivial tools, efficient bio 
mechanics, etc.  Peter seems interested in introducing the scythe to "Third 
world" countries also, which is what is important to me.  I would like to 
attend a workshop or something so I could get more hands on training, so I'm 
looking out for events like that.

Charles.

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tom | 1 Jul 2006 20:02

Re: a good scythe

Scythe Supply is not the only NA seller- there is also the Marugg
company in TN selling scythes.  They can be found if you google Marugg.
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Niels Corfield | 2 Jul 2006 16:06
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Re: A good scythe

He carries the adjustable wooden snath that Peter designed.

Niels

Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:

>Niels Corfield wrote:
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>>Simon Fairlie's shipment costs to the US are quite steep.
>>Perhaps it would be worth arranging collection for a shipment of his, 
>>since there is more competition in the US market for haulage.
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>I ordered a large quantity of Bulldog gardening tools from a hardware store in England;
>they shipped it via air freight, expensive but worth it for the quality spades and other digging tools I was
able to add 
>to the museum (I mean toolshed :-) Does he have anything that SS and SC do not carry?
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Kathy Evans | 2 Jul 2006 17:52
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permaculture lifestyles

I have been amazed, watching this email list, at what people are
accomplishing. I get little glimpses through conversations about hops or
scythes or retaining water in ponds...I would love to see some thumbnail
sketches of what you all really DO...what kind of space do you have,
ecosystem, how much of your food/energy do you manage to produce for how
many people and how do you handle waste and is this how you make your
living or do you have a day job and do you have a community that you
collaborate with? what does your life look like? I know each of you could
write a book on this topic, but I'd be ever so grateful to anyone who is
willing to give a brief bird's eye view of your operation, how long you've
been doing it, whether you started from a design standpoint or more from a
trial and error method, how it's evolved; what you think works best or what
your biggest problems are, how you got into it, rural or urban or suburban,
what your dreams are, how living this life has changed you. Just please
answer any of these questions that interest you with as much or as little
detail as you wish...I find myself wishing I could visit you all or take
some classes but single parenting gig at the moment, and resources don't
permit. Thanks!     Kathy in suburban St. Louis, Missouri, USA
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