David Neeley | 1 Nov 2004 02:25
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Re: Re: permaculture Digest, Vol 21, Issue 37

The windspeed to reach rated power can vary greatly depending upon the
design. Engineers I have spoken with have told me that it depends upon
the various normal windspeeds for a given location, as well as the
size and design of the generator.

The large, German one is rated at 5MW  <at> 14.5 mph, or so the article I
read about it said.Of course, its blades are 126 meters in swept
diameter and weigh many tons each, so that may have a part in it as
well...plus it is built in a land-based site, so the average windspeed
may be a significant factor in its design.

As an aside, I lived for some years in Corpus Christi, Texas, on the
coast of the Gulf of Mexico. I hope there will be a windfarm developed
down there--for Corpus Christi is the city of highest windspeed in the
U.S. There, a ten mile per hour breeze is usually unnoticed by the
residents because it is so much gentler than the frequently
faster-blowing gusts. If I were to find suitable employment down
there, I would be shopping for a personal-sized wind turbine very soon
thereafter...

David

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:49:35 -0400 (EDT), dwoodard@...
<dwoodard@...> wrote:
> Rated power of wind turbines is usually obtained at around 27-35 mph,
> depending on the design. The largest turbines are usually intended for
> offshore use and the higher windspeeds.
> 
> Power varies as the cube of the windspeed.
> 
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Keith Johnson | 1 Nov 2004 16:48
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Re: honey locust trees

Last  I heard,  Bear Creek  had gone  out of business. If they're back , 
 I'd  like to know.
Otherwise, I recommend that you check out the  alternates at 
 Permaculture Activist's Nursery page

http://www.permacultureactivist.net/nurseries/PlntNursrys.htm

keith

Bill McDorman wrote:

>Did you try Bear Creek Nursery?  Smartest folks I have spoken to.
>
>BearCreek@...
>
>Bear Creek Nursery - 250 Antique apples, fruit and nut trees, edible
>landscaping, and more.
>P.O. Box 411, Northport, WA 99157. Tel: 509-732-6219, Fax: 509-732-4417
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>Bill McDorman
>  
>
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Keith Johnson
Permaculture Activist Magazine
PO Box 1209
Black Mountain, NC 28711
(828)669-6336

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Jay Woods | 1 Nov 2004 16:08
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Re: honey locust trees

I had also heard that they were out of business. It is certainly the case that 
the email address can not be reached by me.

On Monday 01 November 2004 10:48 am, Keith Johnson wrote:
> Last  I heard,  Bear Creek  had gone  out of business. If they're back ,
>  I'd  like to know.
> Otherwise, I recommend that you check out the  alternates at
>  Permaculture Activist's Nursery page
>
> http://www.permacultureactivist.net/nurseries/PlntNursrys.htm
>
> keith
>
> Bill McDorman wrote:
> >Did you try Bear Creek Nursery?  Smartest folks I have spoken to.
> >
> >BearCreek@...
> >
> >Bear Creek Nursery - 250 Antique apples, fruit and nut trees, edible
> >landscaping, and more.
> >P.O. Box 411, Northport, WA 99157. Tel: 509-732-6219, Fax: 509-732-4417
> >
> >---------------------------------------------------------------
> >Bill McDorman
Jay Woods | 1 Nov 2004 16:18
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Re: honey locust trees

On a more helpful basis (than my writing that the email address is no good), 
IMHO seedless (male) honey locust trees are propagated not from seed but by 
cuttings. There are no markers that will indicate which trees are female 
until they start setting seed. You could propagate from cuttings, by 
stooling, or from roots. You could also overplant from seed (by a factor of 
two) and rogue 90% of the males (as soon as they express that trait). 

On Monday 01 November 2004 10:48 am, Keith Johnson wrote:
> Last  I heard,  Bear Creek  had gone  out of business. If they're back ,
>  I'd  like to know.
> Otherwise, I recommend that you check out the  alternates at
>  Permaculture Activist's Nursery page
>
> http://www.permacultureactivist.net/nurseries/PlntNursrys.htm
>
> keith
>
> Bill McDorman wrote:
> >Did you try Bear Creek Nursery?  Smartest folks I have spoken to.
> >
> >BearCreek@...
> >
> >Bear Creek Nursery - 250 Antique apples, fruit and nut trees, edible
> >landscaping, and more.
> >P.O. Box 411, Northport, WA 99157. Tel: 509-732-6219, Fax: 509-732-4417
> >
> >---------------------------------------------------------------
> >Bill McDorman
Johanna Huss Dowd | 1 Nov 2004 18:01
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RE: honey locust trees

St. Lawrence Nurseries in Potsdam NY has " Thornless Honeylocust" Gleditsia
triacanthos. Check it out at

http://www.sln.potsdam.ny.us/timber.html

This is a small family run operation. The trees and service I got from them
have both been of excellent quality. I can highly recommend them.

Johanna

-----Original Message-----
From: permaculture-bounces@...
[mailto:permaculture-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Paul Wheaton
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 3:43 PM
To: permaculture
Subject: [permaculture] honey locust trees

I'm interested in buying a hundred honey locust trees for my permaculture
farm.  I would
like to find trees that appear to be heavy pod producers to help feed
cattle, chickens,
pigs, goats, etc.

My understanding is that the pods will only form on female trees.  I'm
guessing that
without a male tree nearby, even the female would be podless.  

I'm having a hard time finding a supplier of honey locusts that are savvy to
the tree
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Lisa MacIver | 1 Nov 2004 18:10
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Re: honey locust trees

ForestFarm has a large selection of honey locusts: 
http://www.forestfarm.com

Lisa in Ashland Oregon

		
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Meg Mullett | 1 Nov 2004 19:57

Re: honey locust trees

Hi Paul,

Have you checked with your state dept of forestry or dept of
conservation?  Here in KS, the conservation service offers seedlings for
sale very inexpensively every spring.  Here's the listing of what they
have available each year:
http://www.kansasforests.org/conservation/items.shtml  Perhaps your
state has a similar program?

According to their page on honey locust:
http://www.kansasforests.org/conservation/deciduous/honeylocust.shtml
  male and female flowers, and hence fruit, may occur on the same tree.

I've not tried to feed the pods to any of our animals, but I can vouch
for the foliage's palatability to goats.  

Hope this helps,
Meg in KS

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> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:42:37 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Wheaton <paul@...>
> Subject: [permaculture] honey locust trees
> To: permaculture <permaculture@...>
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> I'm interested in buying a hundred honey locust trees for my permaculture farm.  I would
> like to find trees that appear to be heavy pod producers to help feed cattle, chickens,
> pigs, goats, etc.
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Jerome Rigot | 1 Nov 2004 20:08
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Re: honey locust trees

Oikos tree crops, at http://oikostreecrops.com/, has a honey locust 
cultivar that was specifically developed for livestock feed.

Jerome

Jerome Rigot
10398 Steiner Road
Rittman, OH 44270
H: 330-925-1423
W: 330-263-3866

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The greatest power that a person possesses is the power to choose...All 
dreams come true...If we have the courage to pursue them...  ...Jim Pesmark

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Satisfaction lies in the effort, not in the attainment. Full effort is full 
victory.  ...Mahatma Gandhi

The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but 
what they become by it.  ...John Ruskin

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there is only a scarcity of resolve to make it happen.  ...Wayne Dyer

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Sandra Beerman | 2 Nov 2004 04:56

Re: honey locust trees(Jerome

Jerome,I can't seem to find the Honey Locus on the page you gave, What are
they listed under? Would thesre be a good food for goats? How would you keep
them from eating the trees ond only eat the fruit? Thanks for your time .
Sandie OR,
dtv | 2 Nov 2004 07:31
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Re: honey locust trees(Jerome

Honey locusts are some of the easiest & most fun trees to grow from seed.  Why 
not just collect them from local parks & yards.  They are quite fast growing, 
my 4 year old trees are 10-15 feet high already & in fact if your anywhere 
near Southwest WIS yr welcome to dig some out of my nursery.

mIEKAL

> Jerome,I can't seem to find the Honey Locus on the page you gave, What are
> they listed under? Would thesre be a good food for goats? How would you keep
> them from eating the trees ond only eat the fruit? Thanks for your time .
> Sandie OR,
> 
>

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