Rick Valley | 1 Mar 2004 07:59

Re: recipes using 'marginal' fruits, veg, etc


> hey graham, if you get a submission for an eleagnus recipe, could you post
> it?  my bushes are FULL of fruit right now.

How about this- it's my own invention. I cook lots, done that restaurant
thing, and was reading Euell Gibbons in 8th grade- I think I was channeling
Bro' Euell on this one.

Strip a big pot worth of fruit off the Autumn Olive bushes afap (as fast as
possible)
Put a half cup/cup of water in a pot. Cover, bring to a boil, add the fruit,
recover, then as soon as the cover is warm to the touch, open, stir, remove
from heat, and using a Foley Food Mill, separate the pulp from the seeds.
This is easy and quick. The seedy mash could become the start of a fruit
vineagar. Or poultry would probably relish the seeds. The pulp can be used
for all sorts of recipes directly or frozen or canned for later.
I used it directly as the base of a merengue pie. The color was an outrage,
the pie did not survive very long at all. (well, it WAS a party) And the
Eleagnus fruit is very beneficial to the human organism, no doubt full of
anti-accidents & who knows? All in all, in terms of a ratio of time & effort
for harvest & processing vs. results, I'd put it up there at the head of the
list. It was a piece of cake- or pie.

-Rick 
in Benton CO. Oregon, where the Autumn olive is leafing out.
Kelly Lockamy | 1 Mar 2004 12:54

Re: recipes using 'marginal' fruits, veg, etc

rick,
thanks so much for that entertaining recipe idea.  i'll do just that,
although sans that handy sounding Foley seed seperator.  i'll be in the much
up to my elbows!  my chickens will enjoy the seeds, never thought of that
benefit.
i'll look forward to your upcoming cook book- should be a real classic one
day given your light-hearted approach and appreciation for eating good
stuff! Euell must have a big grin on his spiritual face right now.
now for those blasted chinese "artichokes", or florida betony.....
keep it cooking,
kelly
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From: "Rick Valley" <bamboogrove@...>
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@...>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 1:59 AM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] recipes using 'marginal' fruits, veg, etc

>
> > hey graham, if you get a submission for an eleagnus recipe, could you
post
> > it?  my bushes are FULL of fruit right now.
>
> How about this- it's my own invention. I cook lots, done that restaurant
> thing, and was reading Euell Gibbons in 8th grade- I think I was
channeling
> Bro' Euell on this one.
>
> Strip a big pot worth of fruit off the Autumn Olive bushes afap (as fast
as
> possible)
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Rick Valley | 2 Mar 2004 05:13

Re: recipes using 'marginal' fruits, veg, etc


> From: "Kelly Lockamy" <garden_muse@...>

> sans that handy sounding Foley seed seperator.

Well the Foley is not a "seed separator" but a food mill; my mum alluz used
one to make applesauce. Dunno 'bout where you are but 'roun here you can't
go into a thrift store without being acosted by two or three of 'em at $2to
$5 dollars or so. They look like a tinned pot with a crank that turns a
flange inside that mushes whatever is inside thru the sieve bottom.
They are killer for turning the huge seedy Himalyan blackberries here into a
heavenly sauce, too. Then I take the seedy mash and make blackberry vineagar
with it. Last of all, the seeds go to the chooks.

-Rick
Kelly Lockamy | 2 Mar 2004 03:49

Re: recipes using 'marginal' fruits, veg, etc

Oh That!!!  i have one that i used to actually make sauce with.  i didn't
recognise the name.  great idea, thanks once again.
kelly
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Valley" <bamboogrove@...>
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@...>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] recipes using 'marginal' fruits, veg, etc

>
>
> > From: "Kelly Lockamy" <garden_muse@...>
>
> > sans that handy sounding Foley seed seperator.
>
> Well the Foley is not a "seed separator" but a food mill; my mum alluz
used
> one to make applesauce. Dunno 'bout where you are but 'roun here you can't
> go into a thrift store without being acosted by two or three of 'em at
$2to
> $5 dollars or so. They look like a tinned pot with a crank that turns a
> flange inside that mushes whatever is inside thru the sieve bottom.
> They are killer for turning the huge seedy Himalyan blackberries here into
a
> heavenly sauce, too. Then I take the seedy mash and make blackberry
vineagar
> with it. Last of all, the seeds go to the chooks.
>
> -Rick
>
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Antonio Scotti | 3 Mar 2004 20:06
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Thorny edible bush

Hi all,
is there any edible bush which is thorny and easy to mantain (water wise) for mediterranean climate, and can
also have an ornamental function?
All the best
Antonio Scotti
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Wordgarden | 3 Mar 2004 21:21
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Re: Thorny edible bush

Hi Antonio

Try:
Carissa grandiflora
Dovyalis caffra (formerly Aberia caffra)

I have no personal knowledge of them, but are described as thorny, edible
(and perhaps ornamental) in "The complete book of fruit growing in
Australia" by Louis Glowinski.

cheers,
Robert
Graham Burnett | 3 Mar 2004 21:46
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Fw: [Permaculture_teachersUK] RE: Resource person for permaculture course


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Permaculture Association (Britain) 
To: Rachel So 
Cc: Permaculture_teachersUK ; Permaculture UK List 
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 3:55 PM
Subject: [Permaculture_teachersUK] RE: Resource person for permaculture course

Dear Rachel,

Thanks for your email, it is great to hear from you, and I will try to be as
helpful as I can. I do not know of anyone that has particular knowledge of
china and its flora, fauna, culture and landscape, but I have no doubt we
can find you a teacher that will help you and your team to build up your own
teaching skills and confidence, so that you can then become an effective
team, helping others to make sustainable lifes and landscapes in China.

I will pass this email on to as many people as possible.

With best wishes

Andy Goldring

PS If you like we can put a news item on our website, and add your groups
details to the database, sio that other people interested in China can find
out about you - let me know.

***************************
Can anyone help this person to find the right teacher - ideally someone
close to China - Rosemary Morrow has worked close, anyone else - please
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jamie | 4 Mar 2004 08:50
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RE: Thorny edible bush

Hello Antonio, I'd recommend Prunus spinosa, agranhossièr in Occitan, which
might be close to its Catalan name. Excellent for thorns, fruit, attractive
in flower (soon) and is drought tolerant...does well here, just on the other
side of the Pyrenees from you.

Jamie

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Antonio Scotti
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:07 PM
To: pclista
Subject: [permaculture] Thorny edible bush

Hi all,
is there any edible bush which is thorny and easy to mantain (water wise)
for mediterranean climate, and can also have an ornamental function?
All the best
Antonio Scotti
=========================================
Cambium - PermaCultura-es.Org
http://www.permacultura-es.org

Centro Ki Aikido Barcelona
http://www.geocities.com/kiaikidobcn
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Rick Valley | 4 Mar 2004 18:25

Re: Fw: [Permaculture_teachersUK] RE: Resource person for permaculture course

I have a colleague and permaculture design course graduate who has a
horticulture degree and works as a landscape contractor and chigong teacher.
She sometimes visits China to study chigong. Her name is Ann Baker and I
will see if she is interested. She's brilliant and qualified, I think.

-Rick Valley
Jude Hobbs | 5 Mar 2004 00:57
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Thorny edibles

Hello Antonio,
Have you heard of Hippophae rhamnoides- Sea Buckthorn?

Here is some of what Plants for a Future says: 
(http://www.scs.leeds.ac.uk/pfaf/index.html)

Physical Characteristics

A decidious shrub growing to 6m by 2.5m at a medium rate. It is hardy 
to zone 3 and is not frost tender. It is in flower in April, and the 
seeds ripen from September to October. The flowers are dioecious 
(individual flowers are either male or female, but only one sex is to 
be found on any one plant so both male and female plants must be grown 
if seed is required) and are pollinated by Wind. The plant not is 
self-fertile. It can fix Nitrogen. We rate it 5 out of 5 for 
usefulness.  Very thorny branches.

The plant prefers light (sandy), medium (loamy) and heavy (clay) soils 
and can grow in nutritionally poor soil. The plant prefers acid, 
neutral and basic (alkaline) soils. It cannot grow in the shade. It 
requires dry moist or wet soil and can tolerate drought. The plant can 
tolerate maritime exposure.

Sea buckthorn has an extensive root system and suckers vigorously and 
so has been used in soil conservation schemes, especially on sandy 
soils. The fibrous and suckering root system acts to bind the sand[186, 
244].

Because the plant grows quickly, even in very exposed conditions, and 
also adds nitrogen to the soil, it can be used as a pioneer species to 
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