Soif | 17 Aug 13:47 2005
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Carfree walk to car race

Great success of carfree walk

We ended up 500 people with 3 donkeys, lots of rucksacks and many bikes
after one month of carfree walk to the french Grand prix car race (see last
carbusters). This has been an impressive success especially in terms of the
links, motivations in support of the idea of countergrowth (less production,
less consumption and sharing work). It was really a large carfree event, a
kind of carfree ecovillage on trails.

Francois

 (in french) www.decroissance.org
www.decroissance.info

Soif | 17 Aug 13:47 2005
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carfree village

Search of area for Carfree village
News about the project of carfree ecovillage

At the walk there was (among many others) several workshops about the set-up
of a carfree ecovillage in France (but it could also be elsewhere).

We send a call to all people supporting this idea, because we look for a
site of 5ha or much more, with one building at least, close to a train
station (10 km max) and public transports that could be bought, rented (or
other arrangements) for a long term use. We do not look for an isolated
place. This project is based on a contract between inhabitants not to use
automobile transportation. It intends to create the spot for a large mix of
activities, including farming, production, culture, social ones to create an
economy of proximity and to develop research and innovation.

It would use soft transportation modes (public transports, bikes, animal
power), internet and only allow cars in cases of fire and medical urgencies
and some deliveries when no alternative exists.

With the carfree ecovillage, we try to come out of the dilemma:
- city life is dependent on networks like food distribution, water, waste
treatments, consumption chains... and built environment that are not
ecological,
- new countryside life is too much dependent on the car
- the ancient model of country life where people are closed up either not
attractive.

With increasing oil prices, this idea seems unavoidable on the long-term.

internet links: www.decroissance.org (in french)
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Colin Leath | 22 Jul 23:43 2005

Oregon Petrol-Free Community & Columbian poet & herbalist/healer

[originally intended only for 
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.carfreeecovillages
But it is now of interest to all of you, because of
the poet!]

I just updated 

http://carfreeuniverse.org/Members/colin/HaulOfJustice/

With Ethan's letter to carbusters. Does anyone here
have more information on his project? [a petrol-free
community (no cars, plastic or electricity) in Oregon]

Second, a Columbian poet/visionary has showed up on
one of my other lists:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OurCultureOurCapitol/message/70

I think he found out about that list at 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ecovillage-belize/

I asked him for more of his writing and he pointed me
to:

http://ylangylang.coldecon.net.co 

en el link
10. escritos, lorenzo santamaría
http://ylangylang.coldecon.net.co/contenidolorenzo.htm

y en el link
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Mike Morin | 10 Feb 20:07 2004
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Fw: [Reg_Coop_Comm_Dev] Fw: Neighborhood Improvement Fund(s) (NIF)

 
Subject: Neighborhood Improvement Fund(s) (NIF)

What do folks think of this idea?
 
Start in our (and all) neighborhoods, a Neighborhood Improvement Fund.
 
Each adult resident in the neighborhood would voluntarily invest from $10 to $100 a year in a mutual fund to be held in local credit unions. The purpose of the fund would be to create access to necessities (food, household goods, hardware, building supplies, office products, appropriate transportation, health items and services, education services, etc.) at the local level (i.e. within walking distance of all residents). The mutual fund would make investments only in community and  worker owned (hybrid) cooperatives. All decision making would be democratic with a one person one vote system,  democratically elected Board, and a referendum system. 
 
There would be an association of NIFs and we would encourage more wealthy neighborhoods to donate to poorer neighborhoods (perhaps through a 501(c)(3) vehicle). Through the Association of NIFs (ANIF), the NIFs would cooperate to achieve the benefits of economy of scale, (and) bulk buying.
 
What think?
 
Sorry for any cross-posting. Individuals were bcc'ed.
 
Please distribute widely.
 
 
Working for peace and cooperation,
 
 
Mike Morin
Eugene, OR
 
Colin Leath | 11 Aug 18:21 2003

Presentation <at> earthaven's permaculture gathering, Web Site issues

This is sent to:
http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/carfreeecovillages
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BuildaCarFreeCity/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cfu/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/carfree/

This past weekend, at the earthaven permaculture
gathering:
http://www.earthaven.org/culture/Eventdetails/pcgathering.htm

I set up a booth in a prominent location with my
reynolds weld lab round-tube recumbent, a big sign
advertising the urls for carfreeuniverse.org and
carfreecity.us, and 10 or so sheets of paper hung on a
string like prayer flags containing various
interesting facts and other thoughts describing the
carfree movement.

The interesting facts included things like:

o Asheville, NC's Streetcar system was shut down in
the 50s by car companies (as in LA).

o The only city in the US where the Majority of
households do not own cars is the borough of Manhattan

o More people are killed in car crashes than in Wars &
sucides combined... (WHO) (was that right?)

I also included thoughts on how Earthaven could be
made more carfree and more carfree friendly.

In addition, I facilitated an "affinity group" on
"carfree ecovillages; eco travel (e.g., plane-free
travel), and carfree design and transport practices"

At its peak, the conference had 200 participants.
At the affinity group, there were 6 participants, and
many more had a chance to read and appreciate the
display (and thanked me for it!).

The US as compared to Europe and other countries is
really the "third world" when it comes to being
friendly for carfree people and things like carfree
ecovillages, and needs a lot of help.

Web site issues:
Unfortunately http://carfreecity.us is down, and has
been down for a long time!!! We need to do something
about this (David, Chris,--- We might need to host it
elsewhere...) at present it is the cornerstone of the
US carfreecity project, and when it is down all the
time, it is useless...

and especially annoying when I make a point of telling
everyone about it!
here's the stats for the two site I was advertising:
carfreecity.us:
http://uptime.openacs.org/uptime/reports.tcl?monitor_id=11162
carfreeuniverse.org:
http://uptime.openacs.org/uptime/reports.tcl?monitor_id=10544

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I also wish to mention that carfree extremism is alive
and well in the US, but as it is often combined with
computer-avoidance, it is not easily found out about
online.

Two examples I've found out about from being at
earthaven are:

(1) The Haul of Justice:
http://carfreeuniverse.org/Members/colin/HaulOfJustice

The Haul of Justice is a group of costumed cyclists
(Superheroes) who pedal around the US and DOOOO
GOOOOD! (Volunteer & provide service). 

(2) Frank Cook's walk from earthaven... He's a very
cool guy who's working on meeting all the plant
families in the world.. In any event, he's walking out
of earthaven to his next stop in Madison, CO, and a
group of us are going with him. (earlier he walked
across north carolina).

DeeDee of http://wildroots.org is also working on
organizing wild food harvesting parties-- for example
for the acorn harvest.
http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/wildroots

Carfreeness is about way more than no cars--
Clark of earthaven made the point at our affinity
circle that the Amish evaluate technology by its
effect on their family--
In addition to what I mention here:
http://carfreeuniverse.org/Members/colin/AmishAndMennonites

he added that they don't use central heating in houses
so that they must congregate around the stove.

Chris and David, what can we do about the
carfreecity.us website?

I'll be walking with frank for the next week or so, so
won't be back till then!

Colin
http://carfreeuniverse.org

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Colin Leath | 28 Jul 19:23 2003

US- Earthaven

to: carfreeecovillages
xpost to: ourcultureourcapitol and carfree_cities

I should eventually write up a doc on Carfree
universe, but here are some first thoughts on
earthaven
http://earthaven.org

If you're in the US, and plan to do most of your
future work/ living in the US, you should visit this
place.

They are starting on 340 or so acres of undeveloped
land and attempting to create an actual eco
"village".... with high-density development, its own
economy... and everything else a village should have.

It will (Ideally) someday be carfree.
It is already more carfree than when it started.

The people who are here are accomplished (editors of
permaculture activist and communities magazine are
both here, as are many who have been successful in the
business world, and so on), and have joined the
earthaven project after explorations of many other
ecovillages.

It is easy to come and live here during the warmer
months-- as a work exchanger, ~24hrs work for a tent
space and food- or for $60 you can stay for two weeks
and either cook your own food or pay for common meals.

This project is very much like a real sim-city game!

Their biggest problem: they need more participants to
realize their vision-

My plans with respect to earthaven:
I am a nomad, and headed to the west-- this is not my
country-- if it were in the west would I stay and help
build the village? Possibly. I will be here either
till friday or possibly for another month.

I also wish to head into mexico, where few(er) have
cars, and more still live close to the earth, without
needing to make special effort.

This place is definitely a Nexus/capitol of the "new
culture" in the United States.

I can't help but think things are better in Europe--
but we in the US have our visionaries as well (and
possibly a greater need for them!).

A few questions of relevance to the carfree movement:

(1) The carfree movement needs more philosophical
depth: we're not just about carfree, but about
minimizing the resources devoted to moving things
around (I believe).... what about minimizing time
devoted to moving things around?? How can we come up
with a more clear statement of our vision that offers
guidance beyond what to do about cars?

(2) The issue of how to build the carfree ecovillage--
there are roads here- machinery is used to build that
needs these roads... Are there road-free approaches to
ecovillage construction? Are people attempting them?
How were the old hill-towns built? Can we revive those
methods of construction?

(3) _Permaculture_ all of you, in addition to
communities magazine, should be familiar with
permaculture and _permaculture activist_ especially,
which has a clear ecovillage focus (at least some
issues).

(4) Permaculture is about food production, and many
other things... it has philosophical depth-
One of its tenets that (may) conflict with some
carfree ideals is that the farmers need to be near
their land... A high density center surrounded by
fields that farmers must travel to may not be the best
approach.

That's enough for now... wanted to let you know
there's something very cool happening at earthaven.

BTW- the blue ridge parkway is a beautiful road, with
so few cars it is practically a bike path, although it
is rather hilly. If you count Skyline drive in
Virginia, it might total 600 miles of _very_ bicycle
friendly riding north to south.

here's one more URL for you:
http://ecovillagesroadtour.net/

Colin
http://j9k.org

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Colin Leath | 8 Jun 06:58 2003

Carfree city / ecovillage under construction in Belize!

http://www.longcayebelize.com/faq/may_I_drive_a_car_on_the_island.htm

It's definitely not large enough to be a city, but cars are
prohibited, all toilets are composting, all electricity is
renewably generated, etc.

(I couldn't tell, but it looks like less than 1,000 parcels
of ~6 - 9 thousand sq feet each?)

very cool.

I came upon it from http://escapeartist.com,
wondering where I might buy an acre of land for cheap to
practice permaculture/forest garden construction on.

I'm also using this as an excuse to announce
http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/carfreeecovillages

to the IC/EV community--from now on I won't spam you all,
I'll just post these messages (about carfree ecovillages) there.

There are still some 6,300 sq feet parcels for less than
$20,000 (Which I figure is close to the tribal housing price
range ?  :) )

I'm not quite yet ready to buy property yet, but I'm
starting to think about it.

I've been reading _Gaia's Garden_ _Gardening for the future
of the earth_, and _how to make a forest garden_.

For a real forest garden, you want to be working with the
same land for at least 5-10 years, so being a nomad might
not work unless you're able to plant plants you value in
places you can expect them to remain undisturbed for that
long-- which does seem possible.

Which reminds me: here's a nomadic / neoprimitive project
that I found: (1,500 acres in Baja California - I guess
that's less than 3sq miles? not much to be a nomad on...)
http://www.dreamwater.net/edu/desertpeople/

Colin
http://j9k.org

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Colin Leath | 3 Jun 02:45 2003

Is an Ecovillage world possible? Some new articles on carfreeuniverse

(My apologies to Carfree and carfreeecovillages list-- this
is a bit of a duplicate.)

The most relevant to these lists is the first article
mentioned below.

The point I'd encourage others to consider is that
carfreeness within existing cities is likely to come from
people in ecovillages (or other similar neighborhood
associations) working with the bureacracy.

What prompted this thinking was the article in
http://directory.ic.org/

about http://ecomagic.org

That small intentional community has been instrumental in
getting street closings in Palo Alto.

Some related resources are:
http://fic.ic.org/cmag/
http://eurotopia.de/

Vocal communities will be able to maintain the activism and
energy needed to make parts of cities car-free. Isolated
individuals are less likely to do so. The problem needs to
be tackled from the bottom and the top, and at the bottom
will most likely be urban ecovillages!

Also visit this post on converting suburbs to ecovillages:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.carfreeecovillages/61

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     *Is an ecovillage world possible?*
     *Carfree living scenarios* in the eastern US. (living
where there are no cars)
     *Research on Amish, Conservative Mennonites*

    *Is an Ecovillage world possible?*

http://carfreeuniverse.org/Members/colin/evWorld
This is an excerpt from page 132 of _Ecovillage Living_ by
Hildur Jackson and Karen Svensson, presenting the case for
why ecovillages need to be made within the mega-cities as
well as out in the countryside.

     *Carfree living scenarios*

http://carfreeuniverse.org/Members/colin/carfreePlacesNomad

Some thoughts on living where there are no cars using
primitive skills and a nomadic lifestyle in the Eastern
United States. In particular, the C&O canal (180 miles of
beautiful carfreeness), the Appalachian Trail (Maine to
Georgia, & intersects with the canal), and the intercoastal
waterway (Norfolk, VA to Florida).

   *Research into Amish / Conservative Mennonites*

http://carfreeuniverse.org/Members/colin/AmishAndMennonites

Many of you know the Amish do not drive cars. Recently I
found the same is true of conservative Mennonites in various
places, including Belize! What can be learned from these
existing, successful, and growing communities of carfree
people? What follows are some notes and links for
consideration/discussion.

Colin
http://j9k.org

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Colin Leath | 3 Jun 02:03 2003

Living close to the earth

Here's something I started typing in last Thursday, and then
added to. First it was just for the yoism discussion group,
and then decided to send it to... almost everyone!

http://yoism.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/derrickjensen_discussion/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ishmael_discussion/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CarFree
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OurCultureOurCapitol
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ishmael-dc (local info)
http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/carfreeecovillages

I've tried to set it up so you can skim past the parts that probably don't interest you to the parts that might.
A lot of it, I moved out of the email on to articles at http://carfreeuniverse.org

Topics:

     *Carfree living scenarios* in the eastern US. (living
where there are no cars)
     *Farm work (non-mechanized & horse-power)*
     *Raw diets*
     *Primitive skills*
     *Is an ecovillage world possible?*
     *Philosophy & Derrick Jensen excerpts*
     *Research on Amish, Conservative Mennonites*

     *Carfree living scenarios*

http://carfreeuniverse.org/Members/colin/carfreePlacesNomad

Some thoughts on living where there are no cars using
primitive skills and a nomadic lifestyle in the Eastern
United States. In particular, the C&O canal (180 miles of
beautiful carfreeness), the Appalachian Trail (Maine to
Georgia, & intersects with the canal), and the intercoastal
waterway (Norfolk, VA to Florida).

    *Farm Work*

I began researching conservative Mennonite & Amish
communities. While doing so, my sister called and pointed me
to:

http://attra.ncat.org/attra-pub/intern.html

On there, I found at least 4 horse-power farms, and many
other wonderful opportunities!

And, in fact, a whole site devoted to apprenticeships on
such farms (& horse-power logging):
http://www.ruralheritage.com/apprenticeship/

One can do farm work on organic farms of all kinds, and even
be paid !

Here is a non-Amish who uses his horses for transport to market as
well! (most non-Amish horse-power farms still use trucks for transport)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_west/2932697.stm

So, from a carfree perspective, a possible future, aside
from becoming a resident of the Appalachian Trail or
intracoastal waterway, is to learn organic growing, and then
situate oneself in a community with conservative Mennonites
(they are even in places like Belize), or Amish, to be
around others who use horse & buggy, and farm.

    *Primitive Skills*

I am also doing things like practicing trapping and hunting
and scavenging (roadkill for example), learning edible
plants (just got Petersen's guide), learning different kinds
of gardening (just got _how to make a forest garden_).

I've set paiute deadfall traps (
http://wmuma.com/tracker/skills/traps/paiute01.html )

around the house here for a rat that likes the compost pile,
and some chipmonks burrowing under the front step, but I
clearly need some practice because I haven't caught them
yet, and managed to wound myself. (my dad, would be poisoning the rat if I don't catch it)

On my early-morning jogs I see bunnies, and now have a mind
to see if I can ever catch one (perhaps via throwing stick).
Two mornings ago a fox barked at me! I also need to learn to
fish. Maybe three generations ago someone in my ancestry had
a reasonable garden? We've been away from the land for a
good while.

Yesterday, on my way towards the farm (
http://potomacvegetablefarms.com/ ), I found a fresh
roadkill with a nice fur, and thanks to Tom Elpel and
http://www.braintan.com/ I'll try tanning it soon. I already
have a squirrel hide from one I scavenged (in the forest in
winter), but it's brain had already been eaten by a crow, so
I did not tan it. I'm not sure what kind of animal it is but
it is black and bigger than an opossum. It's in a refrigerator
(don't tell my mom). (She just found it- now its in it's own
icebox)

Somewhat neo-primitive, and very cool is:
http://www.caneloproject.com/pages/cqc.html
http://www.loe.org/archives/010525.htm (search for "bale")

    *Raw Diets*

You may know the question of diet interests me.
here's some new inputs:

(baby of raw vegans dies from malnutriton)
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/5957434.htm
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/5964380.htm

http://www.westonaprice.org/myths_truths/myths_truths_vegetarianism.html

Weston A Price also writes on the evil of Soy products!
Ken Wilber in _boomeritis_ jokes about soy causing brain
decay, but this guy is serious (doesn't mean he's right). (
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_update2002.html )

(these I may have already sent you)
http://www.rawhealth.net/jesusdiet.htm
http://www.eco-action.org/dt/wildup.html
http://www.geocities.com/becnalrio/possumliving.htm
www.beyondveg.com/cat/psych/. In particular, The Psychology
of Idealistic Diets....

summary: raw fruitarian / pure vegan diets may work well for
some people (see the beyond veg link). Weston A Price,
however, suggests that even that is suspect, pointing to the
troubles of pure vegans who moved from India to England
where food preparation differs.

What I find even more interesting than the jesus diet people
are the raw paleo people. In reading about how some indians
lived, eating raw mice (I've heard about the hantavirus) and
lizards was mentioned...

here's something from the myths_truths_ link:

Parasites are easily avoided by taking normal precautions in
food preparations. Pickling or fermenting meats, as is
custom in traditional societies, always protects against
parasites. In his travels, Dr Price always found healthy,
disease-free and parasite-free peoples eating raw meat and
dairy products as part of their diets.

and here is:
http://www.rawpaleodiet.org/  RVAF means raw, vegetation and
animal foods
In one of his stories (
http://www.rawpaleodiet.org/raw-foods-babes-1.html )
he mentions eating one or two dozen raw eggs a day!

So from the jesus diet people (and apparently the Hebrews in
Homestead FL), we've got one extreme, and from Vinnie in
Frederick, MD, we've got another.

The possibility of eating raw animals interests me because
hunting and trapping in many areas is illegal ( for good
reason ), and so is camping, and in the interest of saving
time and hassle, and reducing detectability, being able to
eat all foods raw is desirable. Obviously there are risks.

What do I know for sure about diet?

* The more exercise (Including weights, flexibility, and
high-intensity aerobic) I get, the happier I am (to a
point). The more I sit around and don't move much, (typing
at a computer), the worse off I am.

* Eating locally organically grown food is a good thing.

...

Oh, and I read _This organic life_, which gives much the
same message as _the culture of make believe_ !

http://www.google.com/search?&q=this%20organic%20life

Her main message is about eating locally grown foods year
round. And she lived in Congers, NY and now, Nyack, NY, and
nearly all of her food for the year comes from her garden (or local farmers)!

    *Is an Ecovillage world possible?*

http://carfreeuniverse.org/Members/colin/evWorld
This is an excerpt from page 132 of _Ecovillage Living_ by
Hildur Jackson and Karen Svensson, presenting the case for
why ecovillages need to be made within the mega-cities as
well as out in the countryside.

   *Philosophy / Derrick Jensen excerpts*

(only if you're bored?)
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.culture.discuss.our-culture-capitol/44

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   *Research into Amish / Conservative Mennonites*

   http://carfreeuniverse.org/Members/colin/AmishAndMennonites
   Many of you know the Amish do not drive cars. Recently I found the same is true of conservative Mennonites in
various places, including Belize! What can be learned from these existing, successful, and growing
communities of carfree people? What follows are some notes and links for consideration/discussion.

   This document/notes are also especially relevant to the yoism & Derrick Jensen projects.

Colin
http://j9k.org

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François Schneider | 7 Apr 12:45 2003
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RE: an ecovillage is a carfree village


> --------------
>
> Your vision is a beautiful one!
THanks, and yours too certainly. But i believe that there are out there much
more visions around this idea of car free ecovillage. It would be great if
this list would enable the development many visions and many projects.

>
> Do you have a place in mind?
Well i am thinking about a place in Spain. but nothing to talk about yet. I
think that this list should be in a first step an exploration of ideas. and
later a support for an actual development. I do not think we are ready yet.
but let us call all the people we could for a search of potential people
interested, politicians; train or bus companies interested. But to have a
real group getting on the spot we are too early, i think it is already
really great if this list supports the process, no?
>
> Do you intend to stay in Portugal?
I am ready to move if necessary.
>
>
> I don't think I have the desire to initiate a carfree ecovillage project
> by my self, but I believe I would be an eager and capable assistant to
> whoever decides to take this on.
I would like to initiate this with others, but i am still unsure of how to
do it. I hope that this list can help to find it out. I have been thinking
about this for quite some time . but only now i am thinking that i should
get going: this is still the beginning for me, even if in a way i am already
living in a carfree minivillage, 2 km from village and bus station, 20 km
from Lisbon. I do not have an access road, and no car (but 3 bikes, one
trailer, one taxi-tandem)and we have carfree neighbors (one because of money
shortage and for ecology, the others because there is no space for a road).
What about you did you develop thing yet?

in general it would be great to know what has been going on in this area of
intentionally car-free villages. Do you know of other people dealing with
this idea? and real sites?

>
> Let me know what help you would like, as well as some of the climate
> details of any locations you consider.
If one or more places develop, it would be great to invite people to help. I
guess right now it would be great if we could work together to get this list
starting. Especially you seem to know much about lists. Although  i find
important to decide if this list has Europe or America as final main
objective. I am already overwelmed by the size of Europe! and the problem is
much different in Europe for example because car-free villages existed not
so long time ago.

>
> Do we need to start searching for a location first?
This should be done in parralel to our discussions
I would begin by defining our goals
look for all information on what has already been done
and get info on past experiences, problems and solutions
I still think that a village should have a face to face base, people
meeting. it should be based on a strong link with the locality. This is
where a listserve discussion has limits; We can only help the process

and important question during the last conference: was there discussions on
the topic of car-free ecovillages?
>
> Jan (from Vienna) at the conference said that there were abandoned
> villages in Spain, where it was possible to move to, and after you've been
> there so long, or made certain improvements, that you have a "right" to
> stay there indefinitely.
>
> That sounds too good to be true, but some stories I've heard of people
> restoring villages in Italy seem similar.

I am sure there are lots of places like this. the problem is to find a place
compatible with car-freeness and available
>
> If it is true, we'd still need to have legal control over any roads
> to/from the village, so we could shut them down/make them car-free.
It could be great to think about all possible cases. but shuting roads is
real difficult. a public public path passes near our house, there is hardly
space for a car, but the authoritires do not agree that we put a sign to
stop cars. In US that would be different because there are rarely public
right of ways. it would be interesting to know about the legality of closing
public path from cars, but leaving it open to bikes, trailers,
pedestrians... and what about motorbikes and these horrible things with four
wheels.

>
> If we do not have a rail link to our village, and if there are roads of
> some kind beyond footpaths/ox trails, It seems that we should be clear
> what will be allowed on them.
>
> Also, it would be nice to be sure we won't run afoul of things like the US
> ADA (Disabilities) act-- preferably some place where such laws do not
> exist and are not likely to be enacted. I.e., will we have to deal with
> building codes, and if so what are they?
>
> Croatia also seems nice-
>
> Let me be clear that I'm not terribly interested in having a huge impact
> in larger society, but I am interested in making things nice for
> myself--so I'm thinking along the lines of an Amish community, but with a
> different sort of religion :) I do hope to have a decent internet
> connection though!

I would find important to keep the vision very open. Far from me is the idea
of getting into a sort of religion!! no but more seriously, i think that we
should keep a wide vision at this point. I am personnally very interested in
having some positive impact on society, but making things nice for us is
important .

> Tamera in Portugal:
> http://www.tamera.org/english/index.html
i know it. interesting but there are cars and it is hard to do without.

We should contact GEN on this specifik topic

>
> I recommend reading _Cultural Creatives_. It expresses that there is a
> "spiritual" / consciousness development aspect to what we're
> undertaking... especially when you start talking about using human power
> because you prefer to. Some places like damanhur and kalikalos go into the
> spiritual / personal development more than I'm inclined to- but it will be
> good to ask what the unifying ideas behind our work shall be-- the
> unifying ideas will need to go somewhat beyond simple car-freeness, I
> think.
Well i actually have the book. If there is spirituality i personnaly prefer
it to be a personal affair. ANd the definition is unclear. As unifying
ideas, aren't reducing our impacts, harmony with nature, and nice quality of
life enough? I think that carfreeness can hold people together because
problem solving requires cooperation.

the mention ecovillage should be enough to defined it self as carfree, but
the reality is different!

best greetings
Soif

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