josephwcarrillo | 2 Jun 09:37 2009
Picon

Suburbs only accessable by freeway, is it a good bike ride?



Is it illegal to build suburbs that can only be accessed by freeway? If it is not then they can't stop people from biking on the freeway, could they. If your forced to do it they can't complain.

__._,_.___
Recent Activity
    Visit Your Group
    Give Back

    Yahoo! for Good

    Get inspired

    by a good cause.

    Y! Toolbar

    Get it Free!

    easy 1-click access

    to your groups.

    Yahoo! Groups

    Start a group

    in 3 easy steps.

    Connect with others.

    .

    __,_._,___
    josephwcarrillo | 2 Jun 09:43 2009
    Picon

    bike riding in freeway acess only suburbs

    Recent Activity
      Visit Your Group
      Give Back

      Yahoo! for Good

      Get inspired

      by a good cause.

      Y! Toolbar

      Get it Free!

      easy 1-click access

      to your groups.

      Yahoo! Groups

      Start a group

      in 3 easy steps.

      Connect with others.

      .

      __,_._,___
      John Mayson | 2 Jun 15:41 2009
      Picon

      Bicycles and the American life





      On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, josephwcarrillo wrote:

      > Is it illegal to build suburbs that can only be accessed by freeway? If
      > it is not then they can't stop people from biking on the freeway, could
      > they. If your forced to do it they can't complain.

      Not that I'm aware of. This would be dictated by state and more than
      likely local codes. There's no once-size-fits-all answer.

      I have learned from cyclists lists that some states allow bicycles and
      pedestrians on Interstates if no alternatives exist.

      On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, josephwcarrillo wrote:

      > Do these suburbs exist, if so what's the best car-free way to access them?

      My dad lives in the Atlanta suburbs. I used to live in the city and I
      loved it. I could not live there today. Everything is so bicycle
      unfriendly. Out in the suburbs they like building narrow, two-lane state
      roads with high speed limits and no shoulder. It'd be suicide to bicycle
      on them. I don't have a good answer. Move?

      John

      --
      John Mayson <john <at> mayson.us>
      Austin, Texas, USA

      __._,_.___
      Recent Activity
        Visit Your Group
        Give Back

        Yahoo! for Good

        Get inspired

        by a good cause.

        Y! Toolbar

        Get it Free!

        easy 1-click access

        to your groups.

        Yahoo! Groups

        Start a group

        in 3 easy steps.

        Connect with others.

        .

        __,_._,___
        Bart Hawkins Kreps | 2 Jun 16:37 2009
        Picon

        Re: Bicycles and the American life



        On Jun 2, 2009, at 9:41 AM, John Mayson wrote:

        > My dad lives in the Atlanta suburbs. I used to live in the city and I
        > loved it. I could not live there today. Everything is so bicycle
        > unfriendly. Out in the suburbs they like building narrow, two-lane
        > state
        > roads with high speed limits and no shoulder. It'd be suicide to
        > bicycle
        > on them. I don't have a good answer. Move?

        A few years ago I came to the same conclusion when I visited a suburb
        of Atlanta. The only way in or out of the suburb was a four-lane, very
        high-speed road with no shoulder, just a narrow rumble strip. I
        thought at the time that it would be just about impossible to live
        there without a car, as there was no public transit and as you say, it
        would be suicidal to bicycle on the main artery. Ironically, this
        suburb had paved pathways running behind the houses, making it
        possible to get to a few schools and a few stores without going on the
        roads. People seemed very proud of this path network, but most of the
        travel on these paths was via golf carts, and almost nobody was able
        to get to and from work on these paths.

        [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

        __._,_.___
        Recent Activity
          Visit Your Group
          Give Back

          Yahoo! for Good

          Get inspired

          by a good cause.

          Y! Toolbar

          Get it Free!

          easy 1-click access

          to your groups.

          Yahoo! Groups

          Start a group

          in 3 easy steps.

          Connect with others.

          .

          __,_._,___
          josephwcarrillo | 2 Jun 16:42 2009
          Picon

          4 wheeled bicycle with utility truck lights



          On my 4 wheeled bicycle I have added solar powered lighting including the flashing yellow light as on city maintenance trucks. I use this bike to carry construction tools and waterworks tools and it even carries ladders for roof work. You can look at all other models at www.rhoadescar.com/lobby.htm. I had added a lot of stuff to mine.

          __._,_.___
          Recent Activity
            Visit Your Group
            Give Back

            Yahoo! for Good

            Get inspired

            by a good cause.

            Y! Toolbar

            Get it Free!

            easy 1-click access

            to your groups.

            Yahoo! Groups

            Start a group

            in 3 easy steps.

            Connect with others.

            .

            __,_._,___
            Justice McPherson | 2 Jun 22:09 2009
            Picon

            Re: Suburbs only accessable by freeway, is it a good bike ride?



            --- In CarFree <at> yahoogroups.com, "josephwcarrillo" <josephwcarrillo <at> ...> wrote:
            > Is it illegal to build suburbs that can only be accessed by freeway? If it is not then they can't stop people from biking on the freeway, could they. If your forced to do it they can't complain.

            My understanding is that there is a legal right to travel; a way to access by different means MUST be provided; this in "Bicycling and the Law" which is a good book to have on hand in general. In Alaska, there is no route between Palmer and Anchorage other than the freeway; a paved path is offered between Anchorage and Peters Creek about halfway between the two, during which bicycles are prohibited. Between Peters Creek and Palmer (or Wasilla, which is in the same situation) bicycles are legally allowed on the shoulder of the freeway.

            __._,_.___
            Recent Activity
              Visit Your Group
              Health Groups

              for people over 40

              Join people who are

              staying in shape.

              Yahoo! Groups

              Mental Health Zone

              Bi-polar disorder

              Find support

              Yahoo! Groups

              Dog Lovers Group

              Connect and share with

              dog owners like you

              .

              __,_._,___
              John Mayson | 2 Jun 23:12 2009
              Picon

              Re: Bicycles and the American life



              On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, Bart Hawkins Kreps wrote:

              > A few years ago I came to the same conclusion when I visited a suburb
              > of Atlanta. The only way in or out of the suburb was a four-lane, very
              > high-speed road with no shoulder, just a narrow rumble strip. I

              When I visit cities I look at them through very different eyes now. I
              went to school in Atlanta from 1987-1992 and didn't want to leave. I
              moved to Florida unable to find a job in my field in ATL. I ended up in
              Austin in 1998 and have little desire to go back to Atlanta. If I were to
              move it'd be Seattle or Portland.

              John

              --
              John Mayson <john <at> mayson.us>
              Austin, Texas, USA

              __._,_.___
              Recent Activity
                Visit Your Group
                Give Back

                Yahoo! for Good

                Get inspired

                by a good cause.

                Y! Toolbar

                Get it Free!

                easy 1-click access

                to your groups.

                Yahoo! Groups

                Start a group

                in 3 easy steps.

                Connect with others.

                .

                __,_._,___
                John Mayson | 2 Jun 23:14 2009
                Picon

                Re: Suburbs only accessable by freeway, is it a good bike ride?



                I wish the law would be changed dictating a reasonably safe route must be
                provided. Back to my suburban Atlanta example. There are no laws against
                bicycles on most state roads other than the laws of physics (i.e. SUV at
                65 mph versis cyclist, SUV wins).

                John

                --
                John Mayson <john <at> mayson.us>
                Austin, Texas, USA

                __._,_.___
                Recent Activity
                  Visit Your Group
                  Y! Groups blog

                  The place to go

                  to stay informed

                  on Groups news!

                  Yahoo! Groups

                  Mom Power

                  Community just for Moms

                  Join the discussion

                  Support Group

                  Lose lbs together

                  Share your weight-

                  loss successes.

                  .

                  __,_._,___
                  John A. Ardelli | 3 Jun 03:24 2009
                  Picon

                  Re: The car computer that makes speeding history



                  On May 11, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Bart Hawkins Kreps wrote:

                  >> "A sophisticated in-car computer could soon make it impossible for
                  >> motorists to speed.
                  >>
                  >> The system detects the speed limit and automatically slows the car if
                  >> it is being driven too quickly."
                  >
                  > Several years ago I wrote an April Fool's joke, describing a similar
                  > system, for a weekly newspaper:
                  > http://indynews.ca/archives/news/news2004/March/SSI033104.html
                  >
                  > I thought it sounded pretty far-fetched (just too reasonable to be
                  > true!) but some readers took it very seriously and were either pleased
                  > or outraged.

                  I don't drive but, if I did, I'd LOVE this system. Just floor it and
                  the car automatically goes an appropriate speed. :) This would make it
                  POSSIBLE for me to drive if I wanted to, actually, as one of the
                  reasons I DON'T drive is because I'm a bit obsessive compulsive about
                  speed. On a bike, that's OK; except on rare occasions on 50 km/h
                  zones, I CAN'T speed on a bike but, in a car, I tend to want to go FAST
                  even though I know it's not a good idea... :/

                  John A. Ardelli
                  http://pedalingprince.blogspot.com
                  http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/vofv/

                  __._,_.___
                  Recent Activity
                    Visit Your Group
                    Cat Groups

                    on Yahoo! Groups

                    discuss everything

                    related to cats.

                    Group Charity

                    Stop Cyberbullying

                    Keep your kids

                    safe from bullying

                    Yahoo! Groups

                    Auto Enthusiast Zone

                    Love cars? Check out the

                    Auto Enthusiast Zone

                    .

                    __,_._,___
                    Simon Norton | 3 Jun 17:05 2009
                    Picon
                    Picon

                    speed control



                    First of all, let me say that the title of John Ardelli's post is gramatically
                    ambiguous -- and I read it the wrong way at first.

                    I believe that automatic speed control is already used on some trains.
                    Presumably there is little difference as far as technology is concerned between
                    applying it on rail and road. The politics is of course different.

                    A couple of questions:

                    1. Should it be mandatory for all motorists to install such a system ? As a
                    compromise, it could be ruled that failure to install such a system could be
                    used as evidence against one if accused of speeding; also higher insurance rates
                    might apply.

                    2. Should there be a manual override ? This might be useful in case of
                    emergency, but it would also be useful to a getaway criminal who had stolen
                    one's car.

                    Simon Norton

                    __._,_.___
                    Recent Activity
                      Visit Your Group
                      Give Back

                      Yahoo! for Good

                      Get inspired

                      by a good cause.

                      Y! Toolbar

                      Get it Free!

                      easy 1-click access

                      to your groups.

                      Yahoo! Groups

                      Start a group

                      in 3 easy steps.

                      Connect with others.

                      .

                      __,_._,___

                      Gmane