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renegadebuddhacoach | 1 Jun 2006 03:35
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Re: Article on carless family

Just wanted to tell you I read your page. Well ok a little of it the 
first bike rant. It was a enjoyable read. Thanks
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> Riin Gill
> http://www.riinsrants.info/
> If you were riding your bike, you'd be having fun by now.
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David Hansen | 1 Jun 2006 11:07
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On 31 May 2006 at 13:41, Riin Gill wrote:

> I'm hoping time will heal me.

Some losses are not really healed. They may become less painful, but 
never really go away. I think that's the way humans are.

> It just never occurred to me that people keep score.

Some people keep score very seriously, others less seriously and some 
hardly at all. Only the saintly don't.

There is also evidence of something of a male/female split. Those of 
the former persuasion tend to include the size of the favour in the 
score, so one big favour is worth several smaller ones. Those of the 
latter persuasion tend not to be concerned by the size of the favour 
but only the frequency.

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Whitney Turner | 1 Jun 2006 19:01
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"Karma" was: Article on carless family

At 01:41 PM 5/31/2006, Riin Gill wrote:
>I guess I do offer to help people when the occasion arises.  Just last
>night at knitting, someone had a huge snarl in her yarn and I said "Oh,
>let me untangle it!  I love untangling things!"  Apparently most people do
>not.  She was very happy to have me untangle it.  It just never occurred
>to me that people keep score.

Don't know that *people* keep score, but I do know that I offer help 
all the time, freely, like it seems you do, and that whenever I ask 
for help I get loads of it.  Right now I'm building a 16ft. long 
kayak (http://clcboats.com - Mill Creek 16.5), and whatever I need in 
tools, workspace, discounts on materials, and technical assistance 
has just fallen into my lap.

I think the universe keeps score, and I think people can tune into it 
if they listen.

Whitney

ps - Riin, I only have two real friendships that've lasted ca. twenty 
years, and they take quite a bit of ongoing maintenance.  There were 
many others along the way where personal evolution diverged us.  It 
*does* hurt, but I think you're looking at it pretty clearly.  Hugs!!  

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De Clarke | 1 Jun 2006 19:52
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"There is also evidence of something of a male/female split. Those of 
the former persuasion tend to include the size of the favour in the..."

yet more evidence that males really are size queens :-)

sorry, couldn't resist...

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Riin Gill | 2 Jun 2006 01:34

Re: "Karma" was: Article on carless family

Thanks to everyone for your comments and hugs, on list and off.  It's  
been some food for thought.

I do believe in karma in a sense.  I don't know if it's the same way  
that other people believe in karma.  I think if you're nice, people  
are more likely to be nice to you.  If you're not nice, people aren't  
as likely to be nice to you.  That's human nature, I think.  If  
someone's nice to you, you'll like that person.

That's probably somewhat related to the keeping track of favors  
thing.  But geez, I'd go insane if I tried to remember who had done  
me favors and how many.  I just think of some people as nice people  
and some people as less nice and some people as really not very nice  
and some people drive me nuts and I try to avoid them.  But the nice  
people might never have done me any favors at all.  They might just  
be friendly and on the same wavelength as me so whenever we talk, I  
feel good.  Only liking people who will do something for me seems  
kind of...well, greedy.

I think I'm a nice person, but I suppose probably everyone thinks  
that about themselves.  I know I have snapped at people at times when  
my depression was really bad.  And I'm not friendly in an outgoing  
sense.  I don't have it in me to be mean though.  I try to be nice.

The problem is even if you're nice sometimes the universe still just  
comes along and slaps you in the face.

I signed up for a meditation workshop.  Maybe that'll help.

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whistling_lass | 2 Jun 2006 03:31
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Hi Riin,

Sorry about your friend.  It's likely that your two had grown apart
over the years and she was looking for an excuse.  I had a parting of
the ways with someone whom I thought was my best friend, and it was
very upsetting.

Anyway, I noticed you left the feminist group.  Was anything wrong?  

Marcy

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whistling_lass | 2 Jun 2006 03:34
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Oops

Neglect that last message.  I meant to send it just to Riin.  I
deleted it off the site, but if people get individual e-mails, I can't
do anything about that.

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Tom Frost Jr. | 2 Jun 2006 19:38
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--- In CarFree@..., "Riin Gill" <riin <at> ...> wrote:
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> On Wed, May 31, 2006 6:03 am, David Hansen wrote:
> > On 31 May 2006 at 5:42, whistling_lass wrote:
[snip] 
> >> "In my last relationship, [my girlfriend] asked me, 'Are you ever
> >> gonna drive?' She was like, 'I don't think I can deal with it.' "
> >>
> >> They broke up.
> >
> > She was definitely not worth it.
> 
> A friend of mine told me recently she didn't want to be my friend 
anymore.
>  One of the things she mentioned was me not driving.  I'm still 
trying to
> sort out what happened.  We had been friends for 27 years. 

TF: I recently weeded out a friend of that variety in _two_ _minutes_ 
instead of 27 years, proving to myself the viability of a plan that 
I'd developed specifically for weeding out that variety. 

This was a 47-year-old widow who happened to be the first person that 
I contacted on one of those internet meat-racks. She was extremely 
nice on e-mail for a few weeks and seemed to be on my wavelength 
about things, and then she finally proposed that our first date 
consist of me coming to her place, in Scranton 20 miles away from me, 
to help her go through her late husband's things in preparation for a 
yard sale. I said okay, and that when she meets me at a McDonald's in 
her neck of the woods to give me directions the rest of the way to
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Jym Dyer | 2 Jun 2006 20:43
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Re: cars greener than bikes !

> He makes two assumptions: first, that the energy consumed in
> manufacture is reasonably related to product weight; second,
> and more contentious, that the average bike travels no more
> than 20 miles in its life.

=v= Given the first assumption, a car's steering wheel is a
worse deal than a bicycle.  Yeesh!  Plus, if "greener" is the
concern, the pollution associated with specific materials is
something to look at.  A magazine I wrote for looked at the
toxic release inventories for bicycle factories in the U.S.
(such data is unavailable for e.g. China) and it was seriously
all about the materials, chrome being the worst.  There's much
more chrome in a car, of course.

=v= The second assumption is absurd.  I can only imagine that
it's based on the scenario of the original buyers of bikes
just letting them languish in the garage, but that says nothing
of the bikes' ultimate fates.  Years ago, as recounted in his
best-selling book _Design_for_the_Real_World_, Victor Papanek
worked on a project to take used bicycles and convert them into
generators and pumps.  He learned in the course of this project
that bicycles are considered too valuable by most of the world
to be converted into anything.  They had to rethink the project
to use existing bicycles as generators.

=v= Bikes last a long time, much longer than cars.  Maybe too
many of them start out as toys that are left gathering dust, but
they don't just vanish into thin air after that.  Eventually
they'll get used.
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David A de Gruyl | 2 Jun 2006 20:53

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* on [06-06-02 14:47] Jym Dyer wrote:
>=v= Bikes last a long time, much longer than cars.  Maybe too
>many of them start out as toys that are left gathering dust, but
>they don't just vanish into thin air after that.  Eventually
>they'll get used.

Often for years after they are left on the curb as trash.  Most bikes 
are never ridden after their tires go flat, it seems.

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