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Sorcha | 1 Feb 2006 15:27
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Re: johnnies

> jeff covey
> i guess you make four so far.  :)  maybe a genetic predisposition toward
> great books and auto-antipathy?

Make that five.  I'm Sarah Keepers (nick name Sorcha). I went to the
Santa Fe campus of St. John's college from 85 to 87 for Frosh and Soph
years.  Had some fun times riding up the hill to campus.  Maybe there
is something to reading all that Greek stuff about creating the 
just state, civic responsibility and The Good.  Maybe we can blame
reading Kant and the categorical imperitive.  When you think about it
the catergorical imperitive (i.e. the Golden Rule in philosophy
speak)is pretty similar to the eco statement that we need to analyze
technology by asking the question 'what if everyone did this'?

On the other hand, we know that Johnnies are just plain Nutz. ;)
...and you have to be a little unusual to ride to the grocery store in
February in Minnesota, too.  

*Lifts frosty mug of chocolate soy milk to fellow Johnnies*

Cheers,
Sorcha

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Sorcha | 1 Feb 2006 16:52
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Re: Welcome to CarFree

--- In CarFree@..., "Megan Graff" <magalino <at> y...> wrote:

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> 1. Lifestyle. I work/study in the performing arts. In contrast to the
> perception of artists as earthy hippies, many of my compatriots are
> nearly compelled by their jobs to have transportation that is 24-hour
> available, reliable, and capable of carrying large loads of tools
> and/or people. 

Yeah, I can relate to this.  A few summers ago I tried to work at the
 Renaissance Festival which is about an hour away by car.  Had a heck
of a time finding rides when my main carpool quit. Really made it
untenable. If I was a vendor I would have had to rent a car for two
months; or bike out with a flat bed bike trailer full of camping
gear,all our products and all our costumes.  Talk about a heavy
load.  I can see why so many artists have cars.  But, then again many
of them don't have... ah...brick and morter homes (ha), but yurts,
campers and vans at least when they are on the road for shows.

I've been doing some thinking about how to be a car free artisan.  I
think you'd have to get a flat bed bike trailer to put the table,
displays, tent and products on.  That would be fine for doing
neighborhood art fairs and farmer's markets. But if you are going any
distance (ie to run the Ren Fair circuit) an electric assist might be
the only way to go.  

If you need to haul people too, maybe a bike rickshaw is the thing to
get.  My wife and I have been thinking about getting one of those as
our 'town car' since they are cheaper than recumbent tandems (no cost
of second gear system).
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Chris Jordan | 1 Feb 2006 17:28
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Oil addiction problem. An echo...echo...echo...

I have heard this before... words I wanted to hear... solutions to 
getting around...  letting arabs drown in oil they cannot sell or 
give away... 1974 or 1975; I believe.  Ignored then, but hopefully 
not in 2006.

The president goes on and on reminding us US people of our 
dependence on hostile countries for oil, but it was pooh poohed 
in the 1975 time and now rich arabs have built up nuclear 
weapons with american money.  

I believe the damage is done. Very hard to backtrack.  It is no 
longer just a concern about global warming, climate change, 
China competeing for oil, or other mounting world problems.  

Something about closing the barn door after the animals got out 
comes to mind...

I can only hope for the best.

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richardmasoner | 1 Feb 2006 19:16
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Re: Why I wear spandex

Rachel Alger wrote:
> I have
> found that looking like a woman gets me harassed less often than
> when I tuck
> my hair in a loose jacket and wear "male"-looking pants.

I was talking a couple of months ago about making a left turn across a
busy street. One of my cycling friends in town (an LCI) told me I
should wear Terry women's cycling skorts and otherwise try to look
female on the bike. Lauren says when she looks feminine, motorists are
much more accomodating. Yet another reason for men to shave our legs.
I'm slightly built so I could probably get away with it.

Lauren (not Lauren Cooper in this group) is a serious atheletic road
cyclist, but I've also seen her putter around town wearing long skirts.

RFM

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mike_in_fort_collins | 1 Feb 2006 19:43
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Re: Oil addiction problem. An echo...echo...echo...

I was encouraged to at least have an acknowledgement of an "oil 
addiction problem" in the State of the Union message.

I was discouraged that any notion of addressing this issue was either 
vague or a limited partial solution towards a "technology saves the 
day" approach.  New technology is one important part, but is not a 
single silver bullet.

> Something about closing the barn door after the animals got out 
> comes to mind...

While I agree with you on this sentiment, we have the problem with 
the "barn" that needs to be addressed.

--mev, Mike Vermeulen

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dub_scratch | 1 Feb 2006 21:48
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Re: Oil addiction problem. An echo...echo...echo...

--- In CarFree@..., "mike_in_fort_collins"
<mike_in_fort_collins <at> ...> 
wrote:
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> I was encouraged to at least have an acknowledgement of an "oil 
> addiction problem" in the State of the Union message.
> 
> I was discouraged that any notion of addressing this issue was either 
> vague or a limited partial solution towards a "technology saves the 
> day" approach.  New technology is one important part, but is not a 
> single silver bullet.

This is part of the problem that Jim Kunstler has identified. People 
don't understand the relationship between technology and energy.  

Technology is the means for deploying energy use and consumption. 
It is an embodiment of energy that in-turn enables energy use. 
The technology of cars take energy to build and in-turn run 
on energy. This technological paradigm always results in the 
sucking of more energy. This is why building greater efficiency cars 
does not solve energy dependence because these gains encourage 
the expansion of the fleet and greater car dependence (a.k.a. Jevon's 
Paradox).

Similar to the relation ship of technology and energy, casino gaming 
is a means for deploying gambling activity. Casino gaming is also 
enabled by gambling with the revenue that is generated  by it. The 
gaming enterprise exist because of the money lost by the customers, 
and the gamblers have a place to go because casino gaming exist.
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De Clarke | 2 Feb 2006 01:04
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I wonder what this means...


JOSEPH T. HALLINAN, WALL STREET - Auto ads, a major source of 
newspaper-classified advertising, have been slipping steadily 
for nearly two years. But the slippage may be turning into a 
landslide. Last week, Tribune Co. said auto-classified revenue 
at its newspapers plunged 16% in December. Also last week, Lee 
Enterprises Inc., publisher of papers such as the St. Louis 
Post-Dispatch, reported a 15.2% drop in auto advertising for 
the fourth quarter. On Wednesday, McClatchy Co. reported a 20% 
decline for December, saying the downturn in car ads had 
finally reached its West Coast papers, the biggest of which is 
the Sacramento Bee, in the heart of California's car culture. . 
. The decline adds to the woes of the newspaper industry, 
already losing circulation to the Internet. For years, fat 
sections of car ads were a dependable source of business for 
newspaper publishers, accounting for 30% of the industry's 
total classified ad revenue of $16.6 billion in 2004, the last 
full year for which figures are available. Even as a migration 
of job ads to the Internet took a big bite out of newspaper 
employment classifieds from 2000 to 2003, auto ads held up. 
That began to change in 2004. 

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I see lots of car ads in online media.  can it be that the 
advertisers have concluded that their core demographic (young
male irresponsible spenders) have abandoned print media?

de
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Mark | 2 Feb 2006 02:57

Re: I wonder what this means...

It's probably that people are buying used cars through
Craigslist instead of the web.

De Clarke wrote:
> 
> JOSEPH T. HALLINAN, WALL STREET - Auto ads, a major source of 
> newspaper-classified advertising, have been slipping steadily 
> for nearly two years. But the slippage may be turning into a 
> landslide. Last week, Tribune Co. said auto-classified revenue 
> at its newspapers plunged 16% in December. Also last week, Lee 
> Enterprises Inc., publisher of papers such as the St. Louis 
> Post-Dispatch, reported a 15.2% drop in auto advertising for 
> the fourth quarter. On Wednesday, McClatchy Co. reported a 20% 
> decline for December, saying the downturn in car ads had 
> finally reached its West Coast papers, the biggest of which is 
> the Sacramento Bee, in the heart of California's car culture. . 
> . The decline adds to the woes of the newspaper industry, 
> already losing circulation to the Internet. For years, fat 
> sections of car ads were a dependable source of business for 
> newspaper publishers, accounting for 30% of the industry's 
> total classified ad revenue of $16.6 billion in 2004, the last 
> full year for which figures are available. Even as a migration 
> of job ads to the Internet took a big bite out of newspaper 
> employment classifieds from 2000 to 2003, auto ads held up. 
> That began to change in 2004. 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------
> 
> I see lots of car ads in online media.  can it be that the 
> advertisers have concluded that their core demographic (young
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Tom Frost Jr. | 2 Feb 2006 03:02
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Re: Oil addiction problem. An echo...echo...echo...

Not all of the pooh-poohing in the early 1970s was bad. The good 
element of it consisted of a lesson from my mother: She told me that 
my desire to see arabs drown in oil that they can't sell, was racist. 
And she was right. 

Relax. The nukings that you predict the dark-skinned faction of our 
enemies doing on America because the fact that they're not peons 
anymore gives them the capability, will be of a vastly smaller and 
more-scattered variety - indeed, probably just enough for "the best" 
degree of much-needed population control - than the variety that we 
were predicting back when the faction giving us an incentive not to 
bully it was the light-skinned one. 

- TF 

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wrote:
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> I have heard this before... words I wanted to hear... solutions to 
> getting around...  letting arabs drown in oil they cannot sell or 
> give away... 1974 or 1975; I believe.  Ignored then, but hopefully 
> not in 2006. 
> 
> The president goes on and on reminding us US people of our 
> dependence on hostile countries for oil, but it was pooh poohed 
> in the 1975 time and now rich arabs have built up nuclear 
> weapons with american money.  
> 
> I believe the damage is done. Very hard to backtrack.  It is no 
> longer just a concern about global warming, climate change,
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Tom Frost Jr. | 2 Feb 2006 05:55
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What is a rickshaw?

--- In CarFree@..., "Chris Jordan" <chrisjordan7257 <at> ...> 
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> -Welcome Megan.  I am just a little confused why whoever 
> mentioned rickshaws phased out before I could say welcome.  
> Maybe sobbing away in the corner that China is retiring old 
> rickshaws.  Better late than never! 

TF: It was I who brought up rickshaws lately (by suggesting that 
they'd have a place in Dorothy Camer's ride-share business, assuming 
that she's not bigoted against them). 

But yes, I was trying to fade back into lurkerdom, as part of my 
strategy of trying to save time and thereby maybe eventually get 
around to actually _doing_ some more rickshaw stuff, such as building 
a couple that I've had planned for years and which will be _self-
contained_ vehicles as opposed to just trailers to tow behind a bike. 

At least two of the three that I've built so far are only of the 
latter variety, which brings me to my question for y'all: Does the 
definition of "rickshaw" include _any_ human-powered vehicle bigger 
than a bike? In my opinion, it ought to. That's how I've been using 
and promoting the term "rickshaw" for 28 years, because that way, 
they _won't_ be limited to the countries that are retiring them. In 
addition, the term "bike trailer" is confusing in that it tends to 
conjure up, at least for me, a trailer made to be burdened _with_, as 
opposed to to do some burdening _of_, a bike. For consistency with 
other vehicles, notice that the popular definitions of "car trailer" 
and "truck trailer" aren't consistent with each other anyhow in that 
connection.
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