ensignaurora | 1 Jul 2002 10:05
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Re: How many bikes do you own?

--- In CarFree@..., "greenjeans43606" <slwirz777 <at> s...> wrote:
> 
> Just out of curiosity (sic?), how many bikes do you use for your 
> transport needs?

One. A Huffy Cherokee that I bought 8-9 years back. Use it for home to 
work, exercise, remote campuses transport, touring.

-Traci
(....and when the Espos were done finding out how much they had done, 
their only regret would be that they could only execute them 
once....(ltte), Book: Hans Solo at Stars End)

ensignaurora | 1 Jul 2002 10:19
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Napkins (was Re: [CF] In defense of solar panels)

--- In CarFree@..., Jym Dyer <jym <at> e...> wrote:
> =v= What amazes me is that I have no problem incorporating these
> things in a little pack that I wear as I bike around town, but
> nearly everyone who chooses to drag a few tons of steel along
> with them for every journey "doesn't have room" for such things.

Funny I should be one of those others than the "nearly everyone".

As part of the standard outload of the Forester are a few cotton
mesh shopping bags in one bay. Part of the gear that goes into the 
Forester is a day bag which has, in addition to other things, 
bandanas tied to its carry loop.

Of course, when I bike, there are bandanas on the outside of the back 
and mesh shopping bags on the inside.

-Traci
("You people just keeping popping out of the woodwork!"--Dylan Hunt to 
the resistance, (wtte), "Genesis II")

ensignaurora | 1 Jul 2002 11:47
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Re: How many bikes do you own?

--- In CarFree@..., John Snyder <JCSnyder.studio <at> w...> wrote:
> How's about a sly rhetorical response. How many different 
> pairs of shoes, over shoes, boots, sneakers, socks, waders, 
> flippers, slippers, flip-flops, gollashes, and corn pads 
> do you own, rent or borrow? A bicycle is like any other 
> piece of functional clothing which has been designed to 
> deal with a specific situation.

Just about. Me, one bike, others around here, a few bikes. Are the 
others wrong? No for if I were racing, I'd probably have one bike 
dedicated to racing. Maybe. Maybe not.

It's also a matter of cost. Scuba wise, I have just about only one of 
everything. One set of fins (Flipper was a dolphin), one mask, one 
snorkel, one cylinder, etc.. When I finally get around to buying a 
wetsuit, it will be one. Of course, it will be bought with max 
utilization in mind. A two piece where the top can operate alone as a 
shortie. 

But things are also done to fulfill missions. One cylinder but two, 
three dive knives (because if you feet are tangle in fishline, then 
that knife on your calf does you a lot of good!). One rifle, but two 
pistols because the small one doesn't shoot as far as the big one, but 
the big one can't go everyplace that the small one can. 

And then, some things just come down to the pack rat syndrome. I have, 
for example, four computers. I build them, wanted my own little 
network, the ability to have a luggable for a base camp, but the main 
still standing by should I come home on a break. Four computers, but 
only two monitors, one keyboard (use a switch box). Three tv sets. 
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RIIN GILL | 1 Jul 2002 15:44
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Re: [OT] population/consumption (was Re: [CF] Re: Re: why carfree?)


On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, bill norman wrote:

> You Americans are so self centered it's pathetic. That statement is one
> of the many reasons that you are not well liked around the world. First
> and Third world nations combined. Do you think that you are the only
> developed nation in the world? Hell! you don't even have the highest
> standard of living (United Nations study).You've got the highest crime
> rate,the highest discrepancy between rich and poor in the First world.
> No universal Health Care(etc etc etc). I could ramble on but would'nt.
> I've got better things to do. If I've hurt a few feelings then tough.
> You Yanks need to see past your own limited insignificant self centered
> realities.

Um...huh? Did you even read my post? My whole point was that some things
need to change here. One of the things I said was "All Americans should
have health insurance." I'm well aware that the US is the only
industrialized country without universal health care. There are 44
million Americans without health insurance. I think that's absolutely
wrong. I think a lot of things really need to change here, and I'm only
surprised there aren't even more people who hate the US. But I don't
understand how you interpreted my post as self centered. I never claimed
that the US is the only country or even the only developed country. And I
certainly don't think it's the best country. But it's the country I know
best since it's where I've lived my entire life. "Write about what you
know," they say. From what I've read, other countries have much better
sex ed programs, and they certainly have better health care equity. And
certainly there's less chance of being shot in just about any other
country. But I was writing about what I've seen and experienced and
known, and was saying it needs to change. People in other countries are
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Zach Kaplan | 1 Jul 2002 17:21
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Disgusting!

http://www.cowboycadillac.com/limo.htm

Dan Kavanagh | 1 Jul 2002 17:37

Re: Real Actual COsts of a Solar Panel System

Hi,

Solar panels are not a panacea as has been mentioned by a few.
They are also not the devil which is espoused by a few.

The whole deal with solar panes and in fact most home power renewable
energy system is that they put you in a position where you must make
choices about your energy use.

As it has been noted to put in a system that would REPLACE the power
grid would cost more than the house. However people who install these
systems also go on a crash course of energy efficiency and learn to live
with in the parameters of the system they can afford. this is usually
below $20,000 in the reading I have done and can be got for much less if
the homeowner is thrifty and handy. THe installation of solar is often
the impetus for the use of compact fluorescent lights which we should
all be using, but don't because the initial cost is higher. 

Most R.E. system installers insist that you analyze your electrical
usage so that you can see, often for the first time where your money
goes. So the use of R.E. is invariably married to conservation.

As Ken has pointed out the initial cost of a system can be easily
justified in a rural setting by the cost of having utility lines run to
your property. IN fact this is why most of the installed R.E. in the US
is in rural areas.

If you spend on R.E. now, you will not pay for electricity on a monthly
basis any more. You will however, have a maintenance budget which will
be substantially less. You are now free of the power companies and have
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jamesjfitz | 1 Jul 2002 21:07
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Re: Disgusting!

--- In CarFree@..., Zach Kaplan <zakaplan <at> e...> wrote:
> http://www.cowboycadillac.com/limo.htm

The first thing you might ask if you look at that
site is IS THIS FOR REAL?!! Yup, I've seen one of
those Kenworth Toter Homes here in western MA.

purple_bovine | 1 Jul 2002 22:45
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Some Edifying Statistics

So, I was surfing the web and came across this:

http://www.bikesatwork.com/information/carfree/2000msa.shtml

Just thought this group might find it interesting. Also, this seems 
to be an argument for good public transport, and for organizing in 
support of good public transport; I doubt that the 53% of households 
in New York City that are carfree spend all that much time biking.

LM

P.S. And here in the wilds of San Jose, they just cut the frequency 
of the Light Rail trains from every 10 min. to every 15 min.... 
<sigh>.

Lorenzo L. Love | 2 Jul 2002 01:44

Re: [CF] Re: Real Actual COsts of a Solar Panel System

Dan Kavanagh wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Solar panels are not a panacea as has been mentioned by a few.
> They are also not the devil which is espoused by a few.
> 
> The whole deal with solar panes and in fact most home power renewable
> energy system is that they put you in a position where you must make
> choices about your energy use.
> 
> As it has been noted to put in a system that would REPLACE the power
> grid would cost more than the house. However people who install these
> systems also go on a crash course of energy efficiency and learn to live
> with in the parameters of the system they can afford. this is usually
> below $20,000 in the reading I have done and can be got for much less if
> the homeowner is thrifty and handy. THe installation of solar is often
> the impetus for the use of compact fluorescent lights which we should
> all be using, but don't because the initial cost is higher.
> 
> Most R.E. system installers insist that you analyze your electrical
> usage so that you can see, often for the first time where your money
> goes. So the use of R.E. is invariably married to conservation.
> 
> As Ken has pointed out the initial cost of a system can be easily
> justified in a rural setting by the cost of having utility lines run to
> your property. IN fact this is why most of the installed R.E. in the US
> is in rural areas.
> 
> If you spend on R.E. now, you will not pay for electricity on a monthly
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De Clarke | 2 Jul 2002 03:05
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Re: [CF] CarFree Books?

Ronald Hands (ronald.hands@...) wrote:
> purple_bovine wrote:
> > Does anyone have any good reading matter to recommend on the subject?
> > 

my favourite reading about the Car Problem:

The Elephant in the Bedroom (Hart and Spivak)

Asphalt Nation (Holtz Kay)

Divorce Your Car (Alvord)

The Geography of Nowhere (Kunstler)

Hubbert's Peak (Deffeyes)

Death on the Streets (Davis, out of print)

de

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