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Enviro Alert | 1 Sep 2001 07:25
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STOP APPROVAL OF "GE FISH". (part 1 ).

STOP APPROVAL OF "GE FISH" INSANITY !

(PART 1 )

PLEASE TELL FDA TO STOP APPROVAL OF "GE FISH"

On May 9, 2001, the Center for Food Safety and a coalition of over
60 petitioners, consisting of consumer and environmental protection
organizations filed legal petitions with the U.S. Food and Drug
Administration ("FDA"), U.S. Department of Interior ("DOI"),
U.S. Department of Commerce ("DOC"), U.S. Department of Defense
("DOD"), and U.S. Department of Agriculture ("USDA") demanding a
moratorium on the domestic marketing and importation of transgenic fish
until FDA adequately addresses the impacts to the environment and
human food safety.

Currently, there are over thirty-five species of transgenic fish being
developed around the world and at least one company, A/F Protein,
which is presently requesting approval from the FDA to market
transgenic fish to consumers as "FOOD" .

These transgenic fish grow as much as TEN TO THIRTY Times faster
than normal salmon! The releases of transgenic fish into the world's
waters may cause SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS to the ENVIRONMENT
& ENDANGERED SPECIES !. New studies have shown that transgenic
fish are more aggressive, eat more food, and will attract more mates than
wild fish. In addition, these studies show that although transgenic fish
will attract more mates, their offspring will be less fit and less likely
to survive.
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John Snyder | 1 Sep 2001 17:36
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Coyotes

A few nights back, a large troop of coyotes danced
through this wind-swept valley on the northern 
plains. I felt an eery chill while listening to 
primeval yips and howls sizzling through the 
starless night's utter darkness. 

Am sure they would be more than happy to gnaw on 
some canned SPAM. Don't believe a one of them 
worries a cactus needle about how to become 
CARFREE. They already are.
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Fahrion, Jason L | 2 Sep 2001 17:06
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RE: Re: Thoreau Institute

Carfree: I plan on taking KK's email as an invitation to debate (hopefully
he meant it that way). But I'm going to do it off of the listserv since it
has no real obvious connection to cars at all. If anyone is interested in
I'd be happy to forward them the email and keep them in the loop.

Jason Fahrion

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Kifer [mailto:kenkifer@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 6:14 PM
To: Carfree@...
Subject: [CarFree] Re: Thoreau Institute

Replying to Jason L. Fahrion's remarks about anarchism in Digest 569
yesterday.

I'm afraid I didn't agree with your major points, although I still am
interested in anarchism. First, I do not agree with moral relativism. 
To me, there are natural, intuitive, moral laws that we only violate at
great cost to ourselves, the ones we love, and others around us. I
would say the three most basic are 1) take care of yourself, 2) cause no
harm, and 3) help others when possible. I admit that in our lives we
find these laws sometimes conflicting with one another, but we find
equal, if not greater, problems with the physical laws we must cope
with, which no one questions. Second, I do not see laws passed by
governments as being naturally harmful to man. In fact, they are
liberating. Back before written laws, kings could do whatever they
wanted to and favored their friends and the powerful, while laws treated
everyone alike and tended to level the playing field. English common
law is a fine example. In fact, one of the things I find most
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Ken Kifer | 3 Sep 2001 01:54

Re: Coyotes

John Snyder wrote:
A few nights back, a large troop of coyotes danced
through this wind-swept valley on the northern 
plains. I felt an eery chill while listening to 
primeval yips and howls sizzling through the 
starless night's utter darkness. 

Am sure they would be more than happy to gnaw on 
some canned SPAM. Don't believe a one of them 
worries a cactus needle about how to become 
CARFREE. They already are.

Ken Kifer replies:
If they are interested in canned SPAM, I suggest that they open a website, and
then they will get more than they can digest in their email every day. :)

Believe it or not, I hear coyotes howling here in Alabama as well. I saw one
for the first time this last winter, racing uphill at a speed no dog could
match. The coyote has a skull exactly identical to that of the Red Wolf's, only
slightly smaller, and the Red Wolf was the native wolf in the South but is now
almost extinct.
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Dave | 3 Sep 2001 15:53
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Car Jumps Curb, Killing Woman, Child on Walk

This article is from the L.A. Times. Notice the way it's written, as 
if the car jumped the curb all by itself. Then at the end, God gets 
the blame. My prediction: If the driver of the Mercedes (an 
unidentified woman) wasn't on drugs or alcohol, she'll get off scott 
free.
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By H.G. REZA and DAVE MCKIBBEN, TIMES STAFF WRITERS

Friends and co-workers grieved Sunday over the deaths of a toddler
and 
a woman hit by a car that ran onto the sidewalk in Laguna Hills. The 
child's mother was critically hurt.

Two-year-old Johana Patricia Barrientos Azarias and Libia Munoz, 41, 
died at the scene Saturday night when a silver Mercedes E320 driven
by 
an unidentified woman jumped the curb on Hon Avenue near Alicia 
Parkway, a sheriff's spokesman said.

Johana's mother, Sandra Barrientos Azarias, 31, also was hit and was 
in critical condition Sunday at Mission Hospital Regional Medical 
Center in Mission Viejo. Orange County Sheriff's spokesman Steve Doan 
said Munoz and Barrientos Azarias, who was pushing her daughter in a 
stroller, had just crossed the street and were on the sidewalk when 
they were hit.

Doan declined to identify the driver, saying the collision was still 
under investigation. However, he said that drugs and alcohol were not 
factors, and that she had not been charged with a crime.
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David Hansen | 3 Sep 2001 18:12
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Re: Car Jumps Curb, Killing Woman, Child on Walk

On 3 Sep 2001 at 13:53, Dave wrote:

> Some
> mourners expressed anger and frustration, calling for better lighting
> on the street.
> 
> "It's very dark here. This should be a 25-mile-an-hour zone," said
> Massoud Zadeh, owner of a Persian restaurant near the crash site.

Lighting does not prevent this sort of crash. Indeed better lighting might encourage motorists to 
drive faster.

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John Snyder | 4 Sep 2001 05:01
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Re: Coyotes

> Believe it or not, I hear coyotes howling here in Alabama as well.

Believe it. They are resourceful beings. The pack
I heard other night were heading straight towards a town of 
52,000 humans. Garbage cans, road side trash, park squirrels, 
and small pets left out at night make for fine coyote party 
fare. They are exceptionally intelligent. Never did see a 
coyote squashed on a highway as road kill.
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Rex D. Kerr III | 4 Sep 2001 18:56
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Re: Car Jumps Curb, Killing Woman, Child on Walk

> Then at the end, God gets the blame.

I assume that you are referring to this statement:

> Charlene LaBelle, Pedroza's niece, stopped by the scene with 
> flowers Sunday "They were both really sweet, hard-working people
> trying to get ahead," LaBelle said. "But I guess God had a 
> different plan for them." 

I hardly consider this blaming God, rather a reference to their
belief that God is sovereign and sometimes allows things like this
to happen for reasons we might not understand. I see nothing wrong
with the reporter refering to this statement by the victim's family.

As for the driver, it does seem that there is probably some law that
was broken that caused her to end up on the sidewalk, if nothing else
a law forbidding driving on the sidewalk, though the article doesn't
give much information. It very well could have been mechanical
failure, medical, or otherwise... while one might argue that maybe the
driver would have been better off traveling in some other manner, I'm
hesitant to jump to conclusions about her guilt.

-Rex

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Fahrion, Jason L | 4 Sep 2001 19:49
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RE: Car Jumps Curb, Killing Woman, Child on Walk


> Then at the end, God gets the blame.

I assume that you are referring to this statement:

> Charlene LaBelle, Pedroza's niece, stopped by the scene with 
> flowers Sunday "They were both really sweet, hard-working people
> trying to get ahead," LaBelle said. "But I guess God had a 
> different plan for them." 

I hardly consider this blaming God, rather a reference to their
belief that God is sovereign and sometimes allows things like this
to happen for reasons we might not understand. I see nothing wrong
with the reporter refering to this statement by the victim's family.

Whatever you want to call it, it's a rationalization. Newspapers live to
splash the blood up front and then give the feel good message at the end.
For that matter the nightly news does the same thing. You need the gore to
get people interested and hooked but if you leave them feeling depressed
they might get the strange impression that the world is a downer and then
they won't watch the news anymore. So at the end of the news cast you have
the fluffy bunnies getting adopted story. Or the trite "God's will"
paragraph.

As for the driver, it does seem that there is probably some law that
was broken that caused her to end up on the sidewalk, if nothing
else
a law forbidding driving on the sidewalk, though the article doesn't
give much information. It very well could have been mechanical
failure, medical, or otherwise... while one might argue that maybe
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Roy Preston | 4 Sep 2001 23:32
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RE: Car Jumps Curb, Killing Woman, Child on Walk

>Ah well, I'm ranting.

More rants please, Jason ;-)

Roy P
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