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Brad Teubner | 1 Mar 2000 03:50
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FWD: Conserve gasoline.

Try it for 3 days. Next month try it for 4 days. etc.
Brad Teubner

Last year on April 30,1999, a gas out was staged across Canada and the U.S.
to bring the price of gas down, and it worked. It's time to do something
about it again.

Only this time lets make it for three days instead of just one.

The so-called oil cartel decided to slow production to drive up gasoline
prices. Lets see how many Canadian\American people we can get to ban
together for a three day period in
April, NOT TO BUY ANY GASOLINE, during those three days.

LETS HAVE A GAS OUT. Do not buy any gasoline from APRIL 7, 2000, THROUGH
APRIL 9, 2000.

Buy what you need before the dates listed above, or after, but try not to
buy any during the GAS OUT.

If you want to help, just send this to everyone you know and ask them to do
the same. We brought the prices down once before, and we can do it again.
Come on North America
lets stand together.

WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!!!

Even if you receive this 100 times keep passing it around, this way you know
everyone is being informed and no one will forget!!!!!
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Peter Saint James | 1 Mar 2000 04:31
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Re: The Eco-Friendly Net


>I guess I'm just being negative, but an average guy who does not have to
>commute is still going to "do" something -- and in the US, on the dawn of
>the 21st century, doing something is synonymous with driving a car to get
>whatever it is done.
>(present company excepted, of course!)

No you're not just being negative. You have hit upon the fact
concerning US transportation that many people miss. 

That average guy you mention probably will use his car to do
something because he can't get it in his neighborhood. Car culture has
destroyed neighborhoods. To get anything one must travel long distances.
More important, to interact with anyone, one must travel, since people don't
tend to interact much with their neighbors anymore.

To change travel patterns in the US, we must deal with these issues
of making neighborhoods viable. Note that this does not mean I'm in favor
of "New Urbanism" development. I'm not in favor of any new development.
I'm in favor of making neighborhoods livable again. As the previous message
indicates, this is a transportation issue. To be car free, we must deal
with it.

Half a century ago, there were more useful destinations within a 20
minute walk of most urban US homes than there are now within a 20 minute
drive of those same homes. 

What forces caused this to happen? It would seem good to catalogue
these and see what can be done to reverse them.
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michael and karen dudley | 1 Mar 2000 06:07
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Conserve gasoline

I'm all in favour of advocating a moratorium on the purchase of gasoline,
but why on earth should we try to get prices to drop? North Americans
already pay the lowest gas prices in the world, and look what it's doing to
the planet and to our cities. The best thing for reducing driving and
getting people to seek alternatives is to have a gas price that reflects
its actual scarcity and absolute non-replenishability. 

Michael Dudley
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jym | 1 Mar 2000 07:17
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Re: The Eco-Friendly Net

> I find it highly dubious that the average guy (this excludes
> car-free people!) is likely to reduce his energy consumption
> because he bought something online rather than drove to pick
> it up.

=v= Things ordered off the web tend to be overpackaged; in my
experience, even moreso than things ordered from mail catalogs.

> I would bet the more likely scenario is he buys his book (or
> whatever) online, shuts down his computer, hops in his car to
> get in an extra work-out at the gym -- so he drove to the gym
> instead of to the Borders books (hell, they may even be in the
> same strip-shopping-center).

=v= Well, gym or no gym, the whole mall/shopping center concept
lends itself to buying multiple items and bringing them all home
at lost. Things ordered from the web are sent individually, and
put on a series of big UPS trucks or somesuch. I suspect that
there is some saving in energy, but nothing earth-changing (or,
to use a favorite web hype phrase, paradigm-shifting).

=v= Also, many of these firms actively encourage and promote
overnight shipping, because instant gratification is a big part
of the image of ecommerce. That means that a plane or two will
be involved, wasting a whole lot of fuel.
<_Jym_≥

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jym | 1 Mar 2000 07:43
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GAS OUT Reprise

> Last year on April 30,1999, a gas out was staged across Canada
> and the U.S. to bring the price of gas down, and it worked.

=v= In their dreams.

> It's time to do something about it again.

=v= The only thing I liked about last year's was that it was on
the last Friday of the month, which is when Critical Mass is
held in many cities (including mine):

http://www.critical-mass.org/

We buzzed through some gas stations, yelling, "GAS OUT Every
Day!!!"

=v= The GAS OUT has got to be the most idiotic strategy for
a boycott that I've ever heard of. Stock up on extra gas
beforehand? Wow, the oil companies must be shaking in their
boots. (The whole thing was started by some guy who'd just
bought a great big SUV and was shocked! SHOCKED! to find that
it cost so much to fill it up. Like I said, idiotic.)

=v= And even if it did work, I wouldn't want it to. I'm GLAD
gas prices are up. Perhaps I should have a Great American GAS
UP, telling people to drive more to keep the prices high? Since
I don't have a car, perhaps I should just buy it and burn it in
the back yard?
<_Jym_≥
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Whitney Turner | 1 Mar 2000 14:39
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Re: FWD: Conserve gasoline.

OK - I'll stop putting gasoline all over my bike....

This "movement" is the whining of spoiled wussies. Go to Europe or Japan and
buy your gas, *then* whine.

There is a perception in American culture that it is possible to buy safety. So
we have these brutally heavy cars that suck vast quantities of gas and can be
run into other cars with impunity. Instead, mandate *real* driver training and
sell everyone cheap little cars that go well with 600cc motors, just like the
Japanese do. Make driving a revocable privelege, not a de facto right.

Have a car-free day!

Whitney

Brad Teubner wrote:
> 
> From: Brad Teubner <teubner@...>
> 
> Try it for 3 days. Next month try it for 4 days. etc.
> Brad Teubner
> 
> Last year on April 30,1999, a gas out was staged across Canada and the U.S.
> to bring the price of gas down, and it worked. It's time to do something
> about it again.

<snip>

> WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!!!
>
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John Bourn | 1 Mar 2000 21:20
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Re: FWD: Conserve gasoline.


----- Original Message -----
From: Brad Teubner <teubner@...>
Sent: 01 March 2000 02:50
Subject: [CarFree] FWD: Conserve gasoline.

> From: Brad Teubner <teubner@...>
>
> Try it for 3 days. Next month try it for 4 days. etc.
> Brad Teubner
>
>
> Last year on April 30,1999, a gas out was staged across Canada and the
U.S.
> to bring the price of gas down, and it worked. It's time to do something
> about it again.
>
> Only this time lets make it for three days instead of just one.
>

Er, if this tactic succeeds and petrol prices are reduced, won't this
actually encourage MORE car use?

Dare I suggest that what America needs is higher oil prices! This would
encourage the use of foot, bike, LRT, electrified rail services etc, as an
alternative to the car.

JOHN BOURN
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Lauren Cooper | 2 Mar 2000 00:46
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Re: FWD: Conserve gasoline.

But I WANT gas prices to go up.
It's the only way people will drive less.

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And thank you for bicycling!

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Charlottesville, Virginia
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Francyne Pelchar | 2 Mar 2000 16:55
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Re: Re: Ridin' the Rain

While in the Netherlands in late September, I bought I raincoat specifically
designed for cycling. It is by "agu", their MASALA line in Indian-inspired
colours. The coat has a hood, two zippers, one from chin to knee, the other
from below the knee to below mid-calf on me, also snaps and snaped vents under
the arms. Inside is a mesh-like material. I bought a 38 to allow for layers
underneath; yet, even when I'm not wearing layers, somehow it does not look
over large.

It rained some every day of my holiday. I had rented a bike in Amsterdam and
enjoyed riding in the city. The raincoat kept me quite dry.

Now, back in the states, North Carolina, it has been equally useful.

Francyne

Bob Eltgroth wrote:

> From: Bob Eltgroth <eltgroth@...>
>
> This is how I figured out that I'm acclimated to the rain.
>
> A couple of weeks ago I looked out a colleague's office window to see
> sheets of rain hitting it. My bailout plan, which I used a couple of
> times last year, calls for catching the bus which has a bike rack. I beat
> feet to get my raingear on to go the couple of blocks to the bus stop with
> about 5 minutes to get there. Once I got outside, I decided it would be
> much more comfortable to ride the bike home than to wait a couple of
> minutes for the bus in the rain. This is in Morgan Hill, CA - just south
> of San Jose.
>
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FolderPete | 2 Mar 2000 20:02
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and Pat, that URL was ...?

In a message dated 3/2/00 10:45:12 AM Pacific Standard Time,
pcgr1@... 
writes:

> From: pat <pcgr1@...>
> 
> Francyne,
> Hey, I found the url for that clothing. Thanks for the info.
> Pat
> 
> Francyne Pelchar wrote:
> 
> > From: Francyne Pelchar <francyne@...>
> >
> > While in the Netherlands in late September, I bought I raincoat 
> specifically
> > designed for cycling. It is by "agu", their MASALA line in Indian-
> inspired
> > colours. The coat has a hood, two zippers, one from chin to knee, the 
> other
> > from below the knee to below mid-calf on me, also snaps and snaped vents 
> under
> > the arms. Inside is a mesh-like material. I bought a 38 to allow for 
> layers
> > underneath; yet, even when I'm not wearing layers, somehow it does not 
> look
> > over large.
> >
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