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pat | 10 Jan 1999 16:31

Re: Hello

Trevor,
Hi, I'm Pat from California. Have you ever considered getting a trailer
to use behind your bike. There are some really nice ones and they seem long
enough to take your Bow. I too have a Bow, been a bit since I used it.
Probably won't be totally car free until my daughter starts driving on her
own, which should be soon. Pat

Trevor Hook wrote:

> From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Trevor=20Hook?= <tkhook@...>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm Trevor, I am a member already but I have changed
> my e-mail address which is used to access this list
> and since I didn't introduce myself when I first
> joined I thought I would do it now.
>
> I am a student in Britian studying an undergraduate
> course in Software Engineering.
>
> I have a car which I use to get to University when the
> weather isn't nice or when I have a very heavy load to
> carry with me and on other days I cycle the 13 miles
> into uni.
>
> I also use the car to get to Archery which is about 10
> miles away, I could cycle this but it would require me
> to build onto the bike a means of carrying a 6 foot
> bow and 24 30-inch arrows plus my other equipement and
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pat | 11 Jan 1999 20:20

Re: Re: Hello

John,
Yes, U.S. Karkulture is pretty bad. Society here looks down on people who get
around on a bike. I've tried to instill in my daughter the simple life. But
yes, it's true....She does have that teenage vanity to be unable to differ from
her peers. I wasn't like that in my teenage years. Didn't car what others
thought and have always done what I wanted. Sometimes I feel our future is in
trouble. Sorry to say. Thanks for the input. Pat

John Neale wrote:

> From: John Neale <jneale@...>
>
> > Hi, I'm Pat from California. Have you ever considered getting a trailer
> >to use behind your bike. There are some really nice ones and they seem long
> >enough to take your Bow. I too have a Bow, been a bit since I used it.
> >Probably won't be totally car free until my daughter starts driving on her
> >own, which should be soon. Pat
>
> Pat - Since I am British I clearly cannot understand US KarKulture - but
> why does your daughter require the use of a car when you feel that you
> yourself don't? Is your daughter too enfeebled to ride a bike? Or is she
> hopelessly afflicted by the teenage vanity of being unable to differ from
> her peers?
>
> If we can't inspire our kids to be environmentally responsible, then there
> is indeed little hope for the future.
>
> John
>
> --
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pat | 13 Jan 1999 19:53

Buddha is Car Free!

Way to go!....keep up the good work. stay
safe. Pat

From: buddhabuddha@... (buddha)
>
>As of 9:30 am Eastern Standard time. I am officialy CarFree. It is a
>beautiful 72 degrees here in Florida. I turned in my Truck however It
>will take me another month to finish paying it off.
>My transportation of choice will now be my BikeE. Thanks to all of
you
>who have given me support and ideas on the way. I now live only 3
miles
>from work. There is some Bus service from home around town shopping is
>within a mile. I am going to make this work.
>My estimated savings/month is $720
>Wish me Luck
>buddha
>
>
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pat | 13 Jan 1999 19:55

Touring:

Was wondering if anyone on this list uses there bike to go camping or
hiking? And also, is it true that one should not only carry a load in
the rear of the bike but also in the front to keep it even?
Thanks, Pat
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pat | 14 Jan 1999 00:42

Re: Touring:

buddha,
Thanks for replying, I already belong to the BPL list.. I have light
stuff. Just need to make some changes on
Backpack.
Pat

buddha wrote:

> From: buddhabuddha@... (buddha)
>
> Pat I hope to do some touring this summer. I mix it in eith my AT hike.
> I think where you carry the load depends on the bike and what you carry.
> My long distance hiking pack erigh in at under 10 pounds minus food and
> water. I think my bike pack will be about the same maybe even less since
> i will stay mostly in motels or bed and breakfasts and eat at
> resturants. For ideas on light weight packing go to backinglight on
> onr list.
>
> buddha
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pat | 14 Jan 1999 15:09

Re: Touring:

Helen,
Thanks for the info..good to know this. Do you still cycle
camp?
Pat

Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:

> From: Helen Deborah Vecht <helenvecht@...>
>
> The message <369CEC2A.11548B7@...>
> from pat <pcgr1@...> contains these words:
>
> > From: pat <pcgr1@...>
>
> > Was wondering if anyone on this list uses there bike to go camping or
> > hiking? And also, is it true that one should not only carry a load in
> > the rear of the bike but also in the front to keep it even?
> > Thanks, Pat
>
> I have gone cycle-camping, both solo and as part of a (loosely)
> organised group tour.
>
> It's really rather good for sight-seeing. You can cover about 50 miles per day.
>
> It *is* best to distribute your load between the front and back of
> the bike as it handles much better if you do it that way. Too much
> weight at the back makes the steering very light and the bike can
> have a rather unnerving tendency to pull 'wheelies' (the front wheel
> leaves the ground) especially when attempting to climb.
>
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pat | 17 Jan 1999 19:01
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CarFree and Independent:

LM,
I admire how you went about entertaining your out of town visitor. I
am not carfree yet and working my way towards that direction. I myselft
do not like to be dependent on others for a ride or to get around. I
like the freedom of feeling that, I can come and go when I please and
not wait for others. You're visitor friend; at first didn't feel
insulted or upset because she went around in town on a bicycle? Did
you have to do alot of convincing to get her to come, knowing you didn't
have a car? It's good that you stick with what you believe and feel and
show other postive ways about it. Like losing weight!.
*lol*. Pat

quite surprised that it is possible to live without
a car and be independent.

It's even possible to entertain out-of-town visitors without a car.
Last time
an out-of-town friend came to visit, I bicycled in to the train station
with a
pair of rollerblades in my bike basket. To get from the train station
to my
home, I gave her the bicycle and put on the rollerblades. I'm not very
good,
but it is still faster than walking. The friend in question stayed for
5
days, during which we explored San Francisco in a carfree fashion (a car
in
that city is only a hindrance); she told me that she had lost 6 pounds
as a
result of that visit. :)
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pat | 17 Jan 1999 21:12
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Looking for work in Silicon Valley:

LM,
I'm from Fremont, Ca. And I just moved from there in December. I
rode my bike to work, although it was a part time job. I enjoyed work.
I'm now looking into getting a trailer and a Timbuk2 pack. These packs
seem more convienient than a backpack. I think the BayArea is perfect
to ride your bike. There's too much car traffic in that area. I was
surprised how populated and traffikey it is there now. I had left there
in 86 and just returned there. I'm now in the Valley, near Fresno. I'm
looking to move closer to the mtns. I love backpacking also and looking
to live closer to nature. And you're right. Having a car in SF is a
nuisance.

Pat
PS: Lost that ice biking url that was posted in an earlier email, would
like it
if possible. thanks.
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pat | 17 Jan 1999 21:16
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found the ice bike site

Thanks, found the ice biking
site. Pat
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pat | 17 Jan 1999 21:47
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Finding a partner who agrees

Just wanted to ask a question to those who are completely carfree and
were carfree prior to finding a mate. Did you have a difficult time
finding someone whom agreed also about your belief to be carfree? What
about when going out on dates? Did your date just think you were to
cheap or didn't have the money to get a car. I know in some towns
people and society look down on bicyclists. Not that it matters but
life can be more difficult, but one can get through
it.
Pat
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