Jym Dyer | 1 May 2009 01:06
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Re: Two takes on "green" cars



> 1. A recent initiative in the US Senate to study the
> hazards posed by "silent" car technologies is praised
> by the US National Federation of the Blind:
http://www.nfb.org/nfb/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEW&ID=437
> Of course, that this is a problem is not news among
> critics of the urban automobile, who anticipated this
> kind of thing several years ago.

=1= I am of course sympathetic to this problem, but it is a
foreground/background problem caused by car culture, making
noise pollution the norm. Also, I've been driving a "silent
vehicle" for years (a bicycle) and I'm not so sure there's
technological solution to that.

> Worldchanging: Bright Green: My Other Car is a Bright Green City
http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/007800.html

=2= A very welcome development from the coiner of the phrase
"bright green!" The "bright green" crowd emphasizes positive
technological solutions to environmental problems, but alas the
"positive" part is often used as a rhetorical dodge to dismiss
valid criticism (as "negative"). They tend to be ga-ga over
"green" cars, so I'm glad Alex Steffen is writing this.
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Jason Meggs | 1 May 2009 01:16

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Glad to hear the "silent" car hazard is being studied.

A friend of mine who is pregnant was recently struck by a prius while riding
her bicycle, injuring her sacrum and complicating her pregnancy with severe
pain from the injury.

The prius was stopped, evidently the driver was talking on the phone. My
friend, an experienced cyclist, rode out into the intersection to cross and
was suddenly on the driver's hood, then the street, didn't hear the car
coming. Brings the "gun with a silencer" concern home, personally.

The police still have not issued a report, months later, and I have to fear
based on experience that it will be unfairly disfavorable to her.

Jason

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Jym Dyer <jym-RQ31L/Zhuu4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> wrote:

>
>
> > 1. A recent initiative in the US Senate to study the
> > hazards posed by "silent" car technologies is praised
> > by the US National Federation of the Blind:
> http://www.nfb.org/nfb/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEW&ID=437
> > Of course, that this is a problem is not news among
> > critics of the urban automobile, who anticipated this
> > kind of thing several years ago.
>
> =1= I am of course sympathetic to this problem, but it is a
> foreground/background problem caused by car culture, making
> noise pollution the norm. Also, I've been driving a "silent
> vehicle" for years (a bicycle) and I'm not so sure there's
> technological solution to that.
>
> > Worldchanging: Bright Green: My Other Car is a Bright Green City
> http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/007800.html
>
> =2= A very welcome development from the coiner of the phrase
> "bright green!" The "bright green" crowd emphasizes positive
> technological solutions to environmental problems, but alas the
> "positive" part is often used as a rhetorical dodge to dismiss
> valid criticism (as "negative"). They tend to be ga-ga over
> "green" cars, so I'm glad Alex Steffen is writing this.
> <_Jym_>
> (An 0ld Sk00l Appropriate Technology Type)
>
>
>

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Jason Meggs | 1 May 2009 01:22

Re: Two takes on "green" cars



Incidentally, noise pollution from vehicles contributes to many health harms
including preventable mortality.

In sum the social, health and economic costs are enormous.

Hearing damage for drivers and those exposed (e.g., those who walk and
bicycle near traffic) is only one of the harms.

As for bicycles being silent, bells and the voice both work if the rider is
attentive. A noisemaker in the spokes is also viable. Personally, laws
requiring noisemakers on bikes would be an all-around bad idea. Better to
address the occasional reckless cyclist in other ways.

Diesels need to be replaced with electrification, which reduces harmful
noise as well. Petroleum is too valuable, and too harmful, to be wasted on
transportation anyway. Electrification does not eliminate noise but warning
devices may be important there as well, although a different case from
silent cars.

Jason

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Jason Meggs <jmeggs <at> bclu.org> wrote:

> Glad to hear the "silent" car hazard is being studied.
>
> A friend of mine who is pregnant was recently struck by a prius while
> riding her bicycle, injuring her sacrum and complicating her pregnancy with
> severe pain from the injury.
>
> The prius was stopped, evidently the driver was talking on the phone. My
> friend, an experienced cyclist, rode out into the intersection to cross and
> was suddenly on the driver's hood, then the street, didn't hear the car
> coming. Brings the "gun with a silencer" concern home, personally.
>
> The police still have not issued a report, months later, and I have to fear
> based on experience that it will be unfairly disfavorable to her.
>
> Jason
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Jym Dyer <jym-RQ31L/Zhuu4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> > 1. A recent initiative in the US Senate to study the
>> > hazards posed by "silent" car technologies is praised
>> > by the US National Federation of the Blind:
>> http://www.nfb.org/nfb/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEW&ID=437
>> > Of course, that this is a problem is not news among
>> > critics of the urban automobile, who anticipated this
>> > kind of thing several years ago.
>>
>> =1= I am of course sympathetic to this problem, but it is a
>> foreground/background problem caused by car culture, making
>> noise pollution the norm. Also, I've been driving a "silent
>> vehicle" for years (a bicycle) and I'm not so sure there's
>> technological solution to that.
>>
>> > Worldchanging: Bright Green: My Other Car is a Bright Green City
>> http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/007800.html
>>
>> =2= A very welcome development from the coiner of the phrase
>> "bright green!" The "bright green" crowd emphasizes positive
>> technological solutions to environmental problems, but alas the
>> "positive" part is often used as a rhetorical dodge to dismiss
>> valid criticism (as "negative"). They tend to be ga-ga over
>> "green" cars, so I'm glad Alex Steffen is writing this.
>> <_Jym_>
>> (An 0ld Sk00l Appropriate Technology Type)
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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chbuckeye | 1 May 2009 15:37
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Re: Two takes on "green" cars



Sorry to hear about your friend, but this seems like an accident borne of a careless driver rather than a silent car.

Any time I see a car stopped at an intersection I think it's safe to cross, as did your friend. Since cars generally are bigger and faster than pedestrians and cyclists, you don't have much time, if any, to react to a car that decides to enter the intersection you're already in, even if you do hear an engine revving.

--- In carfree_cities <at> yahoogroups.com, Jason Meggs <jmeggs <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Glad to hear the "silent" car hazard is being studied.
>
> A friend of mine who is pregnant was recently struck by a prius while riding
> her bicycle, injuring her sacrum and complicating her pregnancy with severe
> pain from the injury.
>
> The prius was stopped, evidently the driver was talking on the phone. My
> friend, an experienced cyclist, rode out into the intersection to cross and
> was suddenly on the driver's hood, then the street, didn't hear the car
> coming. Brings the "gun with a silencer" concern home, personally.
>
> The police still have not issued a report, months later, and I have to fear
> based on experience that it will be unfairly disfavorable to her.
>
> Jason
>

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Hi All,

The other point that needs to be made here is that
if ALL vehicles are relatively quiet, they will all
be audible. It's only when there is a large disparity
between the sound levels of the vehicles that the
quiet ones cannot be heard.

The noise in New York City is nearly deafening. People
who live there for any length of time yell all the time,
as they cannot otherwise make themselves heard.

The roar of traffic carries all the way up to the
observation deck of the Empire State Building,
which is nearly a thousand feet above the street.

Best,

Joel

At 2009-05-01 08:37, you wrote:

>Sorry to hear about your friend, but this seems like an accident borne of a careless driver rather than a silent car.
>
>Any time I see a car stopped at an intersection I think it's safe to cross, as did your friend. Since cars generally are bigger and faster than pedestrians and cyclists, you don't have much time, if any, to react to a car that decides to enter the intersection you're already in, even if you do hear an engine revving.
>
>--- In <mailto:carfree_cities%40yahoogroups.com>carfree_cities <at> yahoogroups.com, Jason Meggs <jmeggs <at> ...> wrote:
>>
>> Glad to hear the "silent" car hazard is being studied.
>>
>> A friend of mine who is pregnant was recently struck by a prius while riding
>> her bicycle, injuring her sacrum and complicating her pregnancy with severe
>> pain from the injury.
>>
>> The prius was stopped, evidently the driver was talking on the phone. My
>> friend, an experienced cyclist, rode out into the intersection to cross and
>> was suddenly on the driver's hood, then the street, didn't hear the car
>> coming. Brings the "gun with a silencer" concern home, personally.
>>
>> The police still have not issued a report, months later, and I have to fear
>> based on experience that it will be unfairly disfavorable to her.
>>
>> Jason
>>
>
>

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Matt Hohmeister | 1 May 2009 22:54

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Of course, NYC's high density intensifies traffic noise, but even here in Tallahassee, FL, the outdoors--save for rural areas--are also nearly deafening. It's just not noticed as much because the number of pedestrians in most of the city hovers around zero. However, it's still clearly audible even inside with all the windows shut.

Here are some other noises of interest:

- Traffic. There's no point in the urban service area that's not close enough to a busy road to make the traffic audible--especially some motorcycles, which can be heard for miles.

- Air conditioning compressors. I've mentioned this before, and a carfree city is likely to put them on roofs, as opposed to the American method of putting them in the worst possible locations, like apartment hallways, house balconies, or right outside bedroom windows. That is, if there's no district chilled water.

- Two-stroke lawn-care appliances. This is a biggie, and I'm not talking about the occasional chainsaw to remove a tree that's threatening to fall. From downtown to the suburbs, lawn-care services will spend hours on end running two-stroke leaf blowers, weed trimmers, and hedge trimmers, which produce deafening amounts of noise. Even the City itself does this--no wonder nobody wants to use the downtown parks. I guess laying extension cords is just too much work. Those of you in Europe--is this a problem there too?

- Dogs. Many residents leave their dogs outside while at work or sleeping, and they bark for hours on end. I'm wondering how carfree cities would handle this--I sure wouldn't want to live in a row house next to someone like this.

- House parties. I've lived in student-heavy areas, and I'll say it: parties do not generate nearly as much noise as you think. My apartment's bathroom exhaust fan was probably louder inside my apartment than most nearby house parties. The real reason people call the police on house parties? The partygoers park up the street or apartment parking lot. With the only real problem caused by house parties out of the equation, no more problem here.

- Electric tools. Air compressors and circular saws make enough noise that your neighbors will know what you're doing, but these noises are generally in short bursts and have never bothered me. Again, not a problem. Is there any easy way to contain electric tool noise from a construction site in a carfree area?

> Hi All,
>
> The other point that needs to be made here is that
> if ALL vehicles are relatively quiet, they will all
> be audible. It's only when there is a large disparity
> between the sound levels of the vehicles that the
> quiet ones cannot be heard.
>
> The noise in New York City is nearly deafening. People
> who live there for any length of time yell all the time,
> as they cannot otherwise make themselves heard.
>
> The roar of traffic carries all the way up to the
> observation deck of the Empire State Building,
> which is nearly a thousand feet above the street.
>
> Best,
>
> Joel

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Dutch cycling clip PS - key to unclear terms



I realised that some of the terms the Dutch in the clip use might not
be immediately obvious. Here are some explanations:

(6:11) NS = Nederlanse Spoorwegen (Dutch Railways)
(7:48, 8:02 etc.) OV Fiets = Openbaar Vervoer Fiets (Public
Transportation Bike)
(8:35) "Felip" = Velib'; "Yay Say" = JC Decaux
(9:08) Thalys = Amsterdam-Paris high speed train line

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Christopher Miller | 2 May 2009 02:22
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Cybertran - a cross between PRT and light rail



For those interested in following proposals for mass transit
technologies, here is one that I just came across while reading an
article on high speed rail:

http://cybertran.com/

This is an ultralight rail system that proposes to use single twenty-
seater cars that can be called on demand in certain situations,
somewhat like a PRT system.

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Climate scientists on reining back hydrocarbon use

Three articles linked to the past couple of days in TreeHugger tell of  
some client scientists coming to the conclusion that overall warming  
of the global climate is reaching such a serious stage of advancement  
that it will be necessary to simply put an absolute cap on total  
allowable emissions and beyond that, simply keep from exploiting any  
of the "dirtiest" hydrocarbon resources (coal, tar sands etc.) once  
conventional current oil and gas resources have been exhausted.

1. Editorial in the current online edition of Nature:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v458/n7242/full/4581077a.html

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Editorial
Nature 458, 1077-1078 (30 April 2009) | doi:10.1038/4581077a;  
Published online 29 April 2009

Time to act
Topof pageAbstract
Without a solid commitment from the world's leaders, innovative ways  
to combat climate change are likely to come to nothing.

It is not too late yet — but we may be very close. The 500 billion  
tonnes of carbon that humans have added to the atmosphere lie heavily  
on the world, and the burden swells by at least 9 billion tonnes a  
year (see page 1117). If present trends continue, humankind will have  
emitted a trillion tonnes of carbon into the atmosphere well before  
2050, and that could be enough to push the planet into the danger  
zone. And there is no reason to think that the pressure will stop  
then. The coal seams and tar sands of the world hold enough carbon for  
humankind to emit another trillion tonnes — and the apocalyptic  
scenarios extend from there (see page 1104).

Nations urgently need to cut their output of carbon dioxide. The  
difficulty of that task is manifest: emissions have continued to rise  
despite almost two decades of rhetoric, diplomacy and action on the  
matter. But that unhappy fact should not be taken as a licence for  
fatalism. Governments have a wide range of pollution-cutting tools at  
their command, most notably tradable permit regimes, taxes on fuels,  
regulations on power generation and energy efficiency, and subsidies  
for renewable energy and improved technologies. These tools can work  
if applied seriously — so citizens around the world must demand that  
seriousness from their leaders, both within their individual nations  
and in the international framework that will be discussed at the  
United Nations Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen this December.

As essential as it is, however, simply agreeing to cut emissions will  
not be enough. The fossil fuels burned up so far have already  
committed the world to a serious amount of climate change, even if  
carbon emissions were somehow to cease overnight (see page 1091). And  
given the current economic turmoil, the wherewithal to adapt to these  
changes is in short supply, especially among the world's poor nations.  
Adaptation measures will be needed in rich and poor countries alike —  
but those that have grown wealthy through the past emission of carbon  
have a moral duty to help those now threatened by that legacy (see  
page 1102).

(Quote box:) 
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Even a complete halt to carbon pollution would not bring the world's  
temperatures down substantially for several centuries.

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The latest scientific research suggests that even a complete halt to  
carbon pollution would not bring the world's temperatures down  
substantially for several centuries. If further research reveals that  
a prolonged period of elevated temperatures would endanger the polar  
ice sheets, or otherwise destabilize the Earth system, nations may  
have to contemplate actively removing CO2 from the atmosphere.

(...continues at the above link)

=========================================================

2. A second freely available article on the Nature site:

http://www.nature.com/news/2009/090429/full/4581091a.html

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Published online 29 April 2009 | Nature 458, 1091-1094 (2009) | doi: 
10.1038/4581091a
News Feature

Climate crunch: A burden beyond bearing
The climate situation may be even worse than you think. In the first  
of three features, Richard Monastersky looks at evidence that keeping  
carbon dioxide beneath dangerous levels is tougher than previously  
thought.

Richard Monastersky

Download a PDF of this story.
In 2007, environmental writer Bill McKibben approached climate  
scientist James Hansen and asked him what atmospheric concentration of  
carbon dioxide could be considered safe. Hansen's reaction: "I don't  
know, but I'll get back to you."

After he had mulled it over, Hansen started to suspect that he and  
many other scientists had underestimated the long-term effects of  
greenhouse warming. Atmospheric concentration of CO2 at the time was  
rising past 382 parts per million (p.p.m.), a full 100 ticks above its  
pre-industrial level. Most researchers, including Hansen, had been  
focusing on 450 p.p.m. as a target that would avoid, in the resonant  
and legally binding formulation of the United Nations Framework  
Convention on Climate Change, "dangerous climate change". McKibben was  
aware of this: he was thinking of forming an organization called  
450.org to call attention to the number, and his question to Hansen  
was by way of due diligence.

As he thought about McKibben's question, Hansen, who runs NASA's  
Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, began to wonder if  
450 p.p.m. was too high. Having spent his career working on climate  
models, he was aware that in some respects the real world was  
outstripping them. Arctic sea ice was reaching record lows; many of  
Greenland's glaciers were retreating; the tropics were expanding.  
"What was clear was that climate models are our weakest tool, in that  
you can't trust their sensitivity in any of these key areas," he says.  
Those warning signs — and his studies of past climate change — led  
Hansen to conclude that only by pulling CO2 concentrations down below  
today's value could humanity avert serious problems. He came back to  
McKibben with not 450 but 350. In 2008, he published a paper spelling  
out his rationale for that target1.

The difference between 350 and 450 is not just one of degree. It's one  
of direction. A CO2 concentration of 450 p.p.m. awaits the world at  
some point in the future that might conceivably, though with  
difficulty, be averted. But 350 p.p.m. can be seen only in the rear- 
view mirror. Hansen believes that CO2 levels already exceed those that  
would provide long-term safety, and the world needs not just to stop  
but to reverse course. Although his view is far from universal, a  
growing number of scientists agree that the CO2challenge is even  
greater than had previously been thought.

Several recent studies, for example, indicate that it may be  
exceedingly difficult to cool the climate down from any eventual peak  
or plateau, no matter what CO2 concentration is chosen as a target by  
the international community. And by looking at the problem in a new  
sort of way — by tallying the total amount of carbon injected into the  
atmosphere across human history — two papers in this issue of Nature  
reveal how close the world has come to the danger point (pages 1158  
and 1163). "It's tougher than people have appreciated. We have less  
room to manoeuvre," says Malte Meinshausen, an author of one of the  
papers and a senior researcher at the Potsdam Institute for Climate  
Impact Research in Germany.

(...more at above link...)

Also in this issue, Myles Allen of the University of Oxford,  
Meinshausen and their colleagues describe how they ran a series of  
simulations using a simple combination of climate and carbon-cycle  
models (page 1163). They find that if humankind could limit all CO2  
emissions from fossil fuels and changes in land use to 1 trillion tons  
of carbon in total, there would be a good chance that the climate  
would not warm more than 2 °C above its pre-industrial range. Because  
half of that trillion tons has already been spewed into the  
atmosphere, and emissions now average about 9 billion tons a year and  
rising, the trillion-ton limit would allow the world to follow its  
current trend for less than 40 more years before giving up carbon  
emission for good, all at once.

One way of looking at that challenge is put forward by Hansen. Go  
ahead and burn all the remaining oil and gas in conventional reserves,  
he says, and at the same time concentrate all efforts on quickly  
phasing out coal — or capturing and storing the emissions associated  
with it. If nations can cut off coal use by 2030 and avoid tapping  
unconventional fossil fuels, such as tar sands and methane hydrates,  
the world could limit future CO2 emissions to 400 gigatonnes of carbon.

(...)

Although the results of the studies might seem too daunting, they do  
offer a few rays of hope. Andrew Weaver, a modeller at the University  
of Victoria in British Columbia, Canada, says that in the new studies,  
what matters is how much pollution goes into the sky, not when it gets  
emitted. "This allows you some flexibility," he says. From a political  
perspective, the idea of a cap on total emissions "is a lot easier to  
get your head around" than a concentration target or, say, a 20%  
reduction below 1990 emission levels. A cap is like a budget. Once you  
use it up, there's nothing left to spend.

Unfortunately, the world is behaving as though it expects to be able  
to arrange a large overdraft. And researchers can only come up with so  
many ways of presenting the gravity of the carbon problem to the rest  
of the world. "At some point, you begin to throw your hands up. It's  
very frustrating," says Weaver, who pulls a reference from an ancient  
global crisis. "Climate scientists," he says, "have begun to feel like  
a bunch of Noahs — thousands of Noahs."

=========================================================

3. Elsewhere, in Australia, scientists have written a letter to coal  
powered stations asking them to shut down:

Scientists ask coal plants to shut down : thewest.com.au
http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=28&ContentID=139318

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Scientists ask coal plants to shut down
1st May 2009, 12:30 WST

A group of scientists have written a letter to the operators of coal- 
fired power stations asking them to shut up shop to save the planet.

They say real action on climate change will require that existing coal- 
fired power stations “cease to operate in the near future”.

The seven scientists - three of whom have worked on the  
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change - said coal plants should be  
replaced with clean energy.

No new coal plants should be allowed unless they had zero emissions,  
and this would not be possible for some time.

“The warming of the atmosphere, driven by human-induced emissions of  
greenhouse gases, is already causing unacceptable damage and suffering  
around the world,” the scientists said in the letter, sent to every  
coal-fired power station in the country.

“We cannot emphasise enough just how serious the situation has become.”

Shutting down coal plants would require a social transition for coal  
workers which had to be managed, but the task was unavoidable, they  
said.

Professor David Karoly, from the University of Melbourne’s School of  
Earth Sciences, headed up the signatories.
CANBERRA
AAP

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Montreal QC  Canada

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British parliamentarians learn about cycling (and trains) in Netherlands



After trying several times to post this by email,it still hasn't shown up on the Yahoo! group's mailings even though others I have sent since have, so I'm trying this directly from the Yahoo! Groups web site, Hope it works this time...

An excellent short documentary clip (10:29) was posted Friday on Cyclelicio.us about a trip by the British All Party Parliamentary Cycling Group to the Netherlands and what they found out there about cycling infrastructure:

http://vimeo.com/4381805

Some very interesting stuff about how cycling is integrated with train transport and a brief history of how the turn to pro-cycling policies took place in the 1970s from the car-centric policies back at that time.

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