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michael brodt | 1 Nov 2006 01:03
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Re: What is this?

Norma,

No one knows if 'Minnie' is a seperate species or if it is just a clone of sansevieria ballyi. Juan does not make a clear case in his book. I think this is a case where we will have to wait until the taxonomists have a look at the plant and make their determination if it is a clone or new species.

:)
-Michael Brodt

Norma L <crasulady2 <at> dslextreme.com> wrote:
It's exactly the  same, someone is going to have to explain the difference, I think it is just a different clone.?  ? ??      Mine even seems smaller than what the books show, It is the same species, Norma  
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Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] What is this?

Norma, I wish I had a picture of your plant.
Smoley offers one #1268l as ballyi.
Is yours like ballyi or like Mark's 'M innie'?

joe

------ Original Message ------
Received: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:52:11 PM CST
From: "Norma L" <crasulady2 <at> dslextreme.com>
To: <Sansevierias <at> yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] What is this?

I offered this before, no one jumped on it at that time. This is not a plant
that Juan gave me. The wouldn't tell me who supplied his plant. I have never
seen a species that would duplicate #1268l I've had it since about 1991 Norma

----- Original Message -----
From: mark n suze
To: Sansevierias <at> yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] What is this?

want one? ;~)
-m
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Flaherty
To: Sansevierias <at> yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] What is this?

I want to jump in since there's so little I can usually contribute to
plant
IDs.

Juan says in the book that 'Minnie' is a species or variety close to s.
ballyi.

I love it!

joe

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From: "Stanislaw J. Chrapusta" <chrapuss <at> cmdik.pan.pl>
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Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] What is this?

Mark,

Isn't it S. 'Minnie' (I mean the one shown in "The Splendid Sansevieria"
by
Juan, only grown with much direct sunlight and watered sparsely?

Staszek

----- Original Message -----
From : mark n suze
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Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] What is this?

NORMA!

Thank you very much. i really didn't think that was francisii.

AND, much more importantly, i didn't know we had such a looker in the
group! I thought you were supposed to be an "older" person! You, my dear,
could win a beauty contest any day!.. i had to look at the image for quite
a
while before i even noticed there were loads of rare plants surrounding
you!
And that's not like me!...it takes a *really* stunning woman to ever grab
my
eye away from cool little plants!!!

mark

Oh, thanks for the genuine francisii image.

any idea what mine is?...just shows to go ya that ANYONE can make a
mistake!
----- Or iginal Message -----
From: Norma L
To: Sansevierias <at> yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] What is this?

That's not francisii. I included a picture for you Mark. He also gave me
this one.
----- Original Message -----
From: mark n suze
To: Sansevierias <at> yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 1:19 PM
Subject: [Sansevierias] What is this?

This is something i got directly from Juan several years ago. It was
supposed to be francisii which he published....from kenya i believe. But
i'm
not sure this is actually that one.

Anyone have an idea what it might be.

Grown in a lot of sun, in a 4 inch pot....these are really tiny plants
which will be blooming again soon . They develop long thin rhizomes
shooting
out in every direction, which have new plants that in-turn send out more
"runners" etc., all w/ long roots hanging down. Very colorful and tough.

thanks!
mark


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Norma L | 1 Nov 2006 01:35
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Re: What is this?

Brookside plant doesn't look like my plant at all,  It looks more like my S. humbertiana, =S. volkensii,  I have several plants that look like the  Brookside's plant, and to make matters worse it seems as if intermedia may be also a synomym.  Then I have another plant that is called intermedia, which doesn't look like any of the above.  ?  ? ? So what gives,   Joe, the type in Juan's book I just mailed out to you about 4:00 this afternoon.  
 I'm using Juan's new book and the the new Handbook of Suculent plants.  Back to the books again tonight to make sure I'm reading them both correctly. 
  Yeaaa, Joe got both picrtures, mine doesn't look anything like the Brookside plant.  Now to make this naming thing  horrible.  S. phillipsiae synomis with S. hargesia, Somalia  F/C Lav. 1970  Norma  
 
PS. ALAN BUTLER  wanted this plant  when he was here,  and I still have a label on the plant with his name on it.  I not allowed to send it.  Norma
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Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] What is this?

Norma,

The regular ballyi leaves are longer and 'Minnie's compact. A real miniature.

I was looking for pictures on the net and thought I'd look at Brookside since
their pictures are so much nicer than GlassHouseW. They list 11 DIFFERENT
ballyi. The ultimate tease. Yes, they've got them, but we can't have them!

Here's their picture of the type and Juan's 'minnie' again from the book,
below.

joe
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Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] What is this?

It's exactly the same, someone is going to have to explain the difference, I
think it is just a different clone.? ? ?? Mine even seems smaller than
what the books show, It is the same species, Norma


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Norma L | 1 Nov 2006 01:42
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I gave  Michael his "Minnie" .  Mine is like the picture in Juan's book.  A taxonomists will need to get a DNA to prove it one way or the other.  I think Smoley is confused, or where he obtained it is confused.  My ballyi I have had it for 30+ years, so I don't which name came first.  It is different that all the previous names that I mentiioned.  I'm going by what Len Newton calls it.  He is from Africa, is a scientist, and I trust him.   Norma   
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] What is this?

Norma,

No one knows if 'Minnie' is a seperate species or if it is just a clone of sansevieria ballyi. Juan does not make a clear case in his book. I think this is a case where we will have to wait until the taxonomists have a look at the plant and make their determination if it is a clone or new species.

:)
-Michael Brodt

Norma L <crasulady2 <at> dslextreme.com> wrote:

It's exactly the  same, someone is going to have to explain the difference, I think it is just a different clone.?  ? ??      Mine even seems smaller than what the books show, It is the same species, Norma  
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] What is this?

Norma, I wish I had a picture of your plant.
Smoley offers one #1268l as ballyi.
Is yours like ballyi or like Mark's 'Minnie'?

joe

------ Original Message ------
Received: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:52:11 PM CST
From: "Norma L" <crasulady2 <at> dslextreme.com>
To: <Sansevierias <at> yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] What is this?

I offered this before, no one jumped on it at that time. This is not a plant
that Juan gave me. The wouldn't tell me who supplied his plant. I have never
seen a species that would duplicate #1268l I've had it since about 1991 Norma

----- Original Message -----
From: mark n suze
To: Sansevierias <at> yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] What is this?

want one? ;~)
-m
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Flaherty
To: Sansevierias <at> yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] What is this?

I want to jump in since there's so little I can usually contribute to
plant
IDs.

Juan says in the book that 'Minnie' is a species or variety close to s.
ballyi.

I love it!

joe

------ Original Message ------
Received: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:23:30 AM CST
From: "Stanislaw J. Chrapusta" <chrapuss <at> cmdik.pan.pl>
To: <Sansevierias <at> yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] What is this?

Mark,

Isn't it S. 'Minnie' (I mean the one shown in "The Splendid Sansevieria"
by
Juan, only grown with much direct sunlight and watered sparsely?

Staszek

----- Original Message -----
From: mark n suze
To: Sansevierias <at> yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] What is this?

NORMA!

Thank you very much. i really didn't think that was francisii.

AND, much more importantly, i didn't know we had such a looker in the
group! I thought you were supposed to be an "older" person! You, my dear,
could win a beauty contest any day!.. i had to look at the image for quite
a
while before i even noticed there were loads of rare plants surrounding
you!
And that's not like me!...it takes a *really* stunning woman to ever grab
my
eye away from cool little plants!!!

mark

Oh, thanks for the genuine francisii image.

any idea what mine is?...just shows to go ya that ANYONE can make a
mistake!
----- Original Message -----
From: Norma L
To: Sansevierias <at> yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] What is this?

That's not francisii. I included a picture for you Mark. He also gave me
this one.
----- Original Message -----
From: mark n suze
To: Sansevierias <at> yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 1:19 PM
Subject: [Sansevierias] What is this?

This is something i got directly from Juan several years ago. It was
supposed to be francisii which he published....from kenya i believe. But
i'm
not sure this is actually that one.

Anyone have an idea what it might be.

Grown in a lot of sun, in a 4 inch pot....these are really tiny plants
which will be blooming again soon. They develop long thin rhizomes
shooting
out in every direction, which have new plants that in-turn send out more
"runners" etc., all w/ long roots hanging down. Very colorful and tough.

thanks!
mark


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barbara polny | 1 Nov 2006 01:49
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Re: pups last week

I have seen them there, in Maremma that is, the Italian cowboy proviince.
Hans
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> At 01:01 PM 10/31/2006, michael brodt wrote:
>>A beautiful breed of dog!!!
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> large, white flock guardian dogs are wonderful.
> in my opinion.
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> also the MAREMMA
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mark n suze | 1 Nov 2006 03:02
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Re: 'Mangetsu'

NORMA
it's yours!  I was planning on sending it to you regardless!
;~)
-mark
 
(our humidity has been so high, it takes days for the rhizomes to begin to dry/callous over, so i take them ahead-of time, plunging them in BARELY moist peatmoss before i either plant them or send them to someone.)
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Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] 'Mangetsu'

Hermine, I'm drooling over the smaller of the two plants, the one in his hand.  Norma
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Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:24 PM
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Here's 3 'Mangetsu' i dug from the backyard last evening......it's been getting afternoon sun, and look how tall it gets!  Keeps getting bigger.  Next year they should be over my head!  (i'm  5' 8")
 
(the long spiral leaved croton beside me is an old polynesian variety called 'Cronstadtii)
 
mark


that is also ONE TERRIFIC SHIRT YOU BE WEARING. that is one thick hunky creamy vanilla flavoured MANGETSU you be holding!

the weight of this plant is about double the weight of a non polyploid individual, this is a rough guess.

hermine

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Joe Flaherty | 1 Nov 2006 03:07
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Ebay has gone Crazy!

Okay, not so much Ebay the company as some of the folk that buy there.

We've been watching for a record breaker. Ta-da. The grand prize goes to Ping
variegated:

http://cgi.ebay.com/SANSEVIERIA-PINGUICULA-VARIEGATED_W0QQitemZ170042582902QQihZ007QQcategoryZ42211QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item170042582902

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mark n suze | 1 Nov 2006 03:09
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Re: 'Mangetsu'

Fancy Croton('s)..  members of the Euphorbiaceae from the Molluca Islands, grown strictly for the MOST UTTERLY SPECTACULARLY COLORED FOLIAGE IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE!!!
(i'm currently working on my own massive incredible croton website, tho for now, this other guy's will have to do...  ;~)
click on this....
 
i mostly like the old varieties
 
hugs
mark
----- Original Message -----
From: Norma L
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] 'Mangetsu'

Russ, duh, what are codiaeum?  Norma
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 12:28 PM
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So Mangetsu is a special clone of Silver Laurentii??
 
Mark, are you a codiaeum collector?  I'm very interested in these, especially the old varieties, altho I
only have a dozen or so.  Maybe I can find something you can't live without next year in exchange
for some cuttings.
 
Russ
 
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Subject: [Sansevierias] 'Mangetsu'

Here's 3 'Mangetsu' i dug from the backyard last evening......it's been getting afternoon sun, and look how tall it gets!  Keeps getting bigger.  Next year they should be over my head!  (i'm  5' 8")
 
(the long spiral leaved croton beside me is an old polynesian variety called 'Cronstadtii)
 
mark

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Hermine | 1 Nov 2006 03:22

Re: 'Mangetsu'

At 12:28 PM 10/31/2006, Bluesea wrote:
So Mangetsu is a special clone of Silver Laurentii??


You bet your life it is!

 
Mark, are you a codiaeum collector?  I'm very interested in these, especially the old varieties, altho I
only have a dozen or so.  Maybe I can find something you can't live without next year in exchange
for some cuttings.


Mark's Codiaeums are without equal in the civilized world, if that is what this is.

hermine
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xxxxxxxx | 1 Nov 2006 03:25
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RE: Ebay has gone Crazy!

Well, if ya add up all the money that the winner (and the runner-up too)
have paid for Sans on ebay, a couple of people sure have money to spend.
More power to 'em.  They should join ranks.  :-)

CynMarie

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Subject: [Sansevierias] Ebay has gone Crazy!

Okay, not so much Ebay the company as some of the folk that buy there.

We've been watching for a record breaker. Ta-da. The grand prize goes to
Ping
variegated:

http://cgi.ebay.com/SANSEVIERIA-PINGUICULA-VARIEGATED_W0QQitemZ170042582902Q
QihZ007QQcategoryZ42211QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item170042582902

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Hermine | 1 Nov 2006 04:32

Re: Ebay has gone Crazy!


>
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>
>joe

I am glad juan got da money. in my opinion the price of this plant is 
INSANE and yes, i have spent over a thousand for a single plant, and 
MUCH over a thousand for a single dog, but this is in the realm of the INSANE.
and i have a feeling Juan knows this.

hermine

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