hermine | 1 Mar 2006 02:38

Re: Hallii question


>
>What are other Sans species that begin life as rosettes, and later change
>their growth form?
>Mike

lots. most. nearly all plants replicate a basic baby form as juveniles.

herm

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Michael LaForest | 1 Mar 2006 02:03
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Re: Hallii question

I don't think I have ever seen an adult Sans grown from seed, hence my question.  All my plants are grown from pups.  

Some of these juveniles seem to keep their juvenile forms for years.  Upon reaching maturity, do the juvenile leaves wither away, or just remain small?

If anybody has ever seen a Hallii at ANY stage of development appearing as a rosette, or with a stem, I would like to know it.  Thanks.
Mike


on 2/28/06 9:38 PM, hermine at hermine <at> endangeredspecies.com wrote:

>What are other Sans species that begin life as rosettes, and later change
>their growth form?
>Mike


lots. most. nearly all plants replicate a basic baby form as juveniles.

herm


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Norma L | 1 Mar 2006 05:22
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Re: Hallii question

Mine is a full grown mature plant having a leaf 26" in length, and one more only 25".    I bought it at about 8" tall, never seeing a plant from seed.  I see no reference at this time regarding the juvenile form of this species.  I don't know if the seed will be self fertile, I still waiting to see the first flower.  I have never seen it appear as a rosette.  The first small leaf just has continued to grow to the heights that I quoted.  Brown's book does show drawings of species  as rosettes, then changing.  Norma
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I don't think I have ever seen an adult Sans grown from seed, hence my question.  All my plants are grown from pups.  

Some of these juveniles seem to keep their juvenile forms for years.  Upon reaching maturity, do the juvenile leaves wither away, or just remain small?

If anybody has ever seen a Hallii at ANY stage of development appearing as a rosette, or with a stem, I would like to know it.  Thanks.
Mike


on 2/28/06 9:38 PM, hermine at hermine <at> endangeredspecies.com wrote:

>What are other Sans species that begin life as rosettes, and later change
>their growth form?
>Mike


lots. most. nearly all plants replicate a basic baby form as juveniles.

herm

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Holaflor | 1 Mar 2006 13:03
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RE: Hallii question

Hi Mike,

 

I have a few big plants out of seed.

 

Not only grown from seeds they make a juvenile form but also when made from cuttings.

 

Normaly what I have seen is that the juvenile plants slowly transforms to adult fase.

But they never become the same because they keep the juvenile leaves.

 

It is nice to see that from a juvenile plant the new shoots are directly adult appearing plants.

The adult plants are growing much quicker than the juvenile (mother) plant !!!

 

I put 2 fotos one of a stuckyi with a juvenile starter in the center of the pot and his new shoots with only 1 cylindrical leaf!!!.

Watch for the difference in growth but especially in size.

 

I also but a foto of a hallii with the same effect.

 

Saludos Herman

 

De: Sansevierias <at> yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sansevierias <at> yahoogroups.com] En nombre de Michael LaForest
Enviado el: miércoles, 01 de marzo de 2006 2:04
Para: Sansevierias <at> yahoogroups.com
Asunto: Re: [Sansevierias] Hallii question

 

I don't think I have ever seen an adult Sans grown from seed, hence my question.  All my plants are grown from pups.  

Some of these juveniles seem to keep their juvenile forms for years.  Upon reaching maturity, do the juvenile leaves wither away, or just remain small?

If anybody has ever seen a Hallii at ANY stage of development appearing as a rosette, or with a stem, I would like to know it.  Thanks.
Mike


on 2/28/06 9:38 PM, hermine at hermine <at> endangeredspecies.com wrote:


>What are other Sans species that begin life as rosettes, and later change
>their growth form?
>Mike


lots. most. nearly all plants replicate a basic baby form as juveniles.

herm



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Michael LaForest | 1 Mar 2006 15:07
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FW: S. hallii rosetting

Staszek,
My reply to your message is having 'delivery failure', so I will reply to you by posting my response to the entire Sans group as I think some will be interested.
Mike
----------
From: Michael LaForest <mlaforest05 <at> comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 09:58:31 -0400
To: "Stanislaw J. Chrapusta" <chrapuss <at> cmdik.pan.pl>
Subject: Re: S. hallii rosetting

How interesting!  Is there no end to the surprises of this silly plant!?  

Staszek, how long does it take to grow a 30" Hallii leaf there in Warsaw?  I have Hallii that is at least 3 years old, and I can't seem to break the 12" long barrier!  Maybe I need to sock the nitrogen to them (a weird American phrase Haha!)

Please send pictures to the group when you can.  The pictures are worth 1000 words each!
Mike


on 3/1/06 10:35 AM, Stanislaw J. Chrapusta at chrapuss <at> cmdik.pan.pl wrote:

Michael,

One of my S. hallii grown from an adult-type 3-leaf rosette continues to form multi-leaf rosettes; in one of the daughter roseettes there are 6 leaves, some of these up to 30" long while somewhat slim (2'' wide), some shorter (approx. 22" long) but more massive (3" wide). Sorry, I do not have a digital camera handy, but I can take a picture in a few weeks, if you're interested. I give the plants plenty of water and fertilize them with whatever is handy (either organic or non-organic stuff) during the growing season; they are kept on a south-facing windowsill with plenty of "direct" sunlight

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Michael LaForest | 1 Mar 2006 14:44
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Re: Hallii question

Herman,
Your pictures are exactly the confirmation I have been looking for!  A while back, I purchased a plant that was identified as a Hallii.  I thought to myself, "No way!  It's growing in a rosette, or at least 2-ranked, and Hallii leaves are solitary...".  I thought I might have purchased a hybrid.  

So your pics plainly show that the juvenile form of Hallii is very different than the mature form, and might even be mistaken for a different species all together!  I am going to surmise my plant is a juvenile Hallii made from a leaf cutting.  A new leaf from a rhizome should confirm the identity.  Thank you again, Herman.
Mike

PS  There are a number of Sans that do not exhibit juvenile forms.  The trifasciatas do not, metallica does not, and I don't believe kirkii does either.  I'm sure there are others.


on 3/1/06 8:03 AM, Holaflor at holaflor <at> telefonica.net wrote:

Hi Mike,

I have a few big plants out of seed.

Not only grown from seeds they make a juvenile form but also when made from cuttings.

Normaly what I have seen is that the juvenile plants slowly transforms to adult fase.

But they never become the same because they keep the juvenile leaves.

It is nice to see that from a juvenile plant the new shoots are directly adult appearing plants.

The adult plants are growing much quicker than the juvenile (mother) plant !!!

I put 2 fotos one of a stuckyi with a juvenile starter in the center of the pot and his new shoots with only 1 cylindrical leaf!!!.

Watch for the difference in growth but especially in size.

I also but a foto of a hallii with the same effect.

Saludos Herman



De: Sansevierias <at> yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sansevierias <at> yahoogroups.com] En nombre de Michael LaForest
Enviado el: miércoles, 01 de marzo de 2006 2:04
Para: Sansevierias <at> yahoogroups.com
Asunto: Re: [Sansevierias] Hallii question


I don't think I have ever seen an adult Sans grown from seed, hence my question.  All my plants are grown from pups.  

Some of these juveniles seem to keep their juvenile forms for years.  Upon reaching maturity, do the juvenile leaves wither away, or just remain small?

If anybody has ever seen a Hallii at ANY stage of development appearing as a rosette, or with a stem, I would like to know it.  Thanks.
Mike


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Stanislaw J. Chrapusta | 1 Mar 2006 17:14
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Re: FW: S. hallii rosetting

I cannot tell exactly how long it takes to grow a 30" S.hallii leaf since I never paid real attention to the growing 'speed. It is just my guess that it takes more than one growing season for the leaves to reach their full size. All my S. hallii plants started from the leaf I took with me when coming back from the US in October of 1995 (the 'mother' plant, which I bought from Grigsby's CG, was to simply too big). Now there are six pots of them in my care (some a size of a 3 gallon bucket). I gave away few more to my relatives and friends, but as much as I know those plants are on a different 'diet' and do not grow as vigorously. I feed my plants half of the time with an organic fertilizer that is quite acidic and really stinks when concentrated (N+P+K = approx2+approx5+approx4, diluted 100-200 times prior to use), and half of the time with a slightly acidic (about pH6.0) artificial fertilizer (N+P+K = 4+7+7, using 100x dilution). They grow in plastic pots filled with a losely packed mix of regular cactus-type soil (I am actually hesitating to call it this, because there is no coarse sand or other mineral material in it, but i is sold under this name in the 'home-and-garden centers here) and coconut fiber (30-60%), which leaves plenty of space for roots and rhizomes. During the growing season I water my sans usually once a week, they are kept indoors all the year long).
 
Staszek
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 3:07 PM
Subject: [Sansevierias] FW: S. hallii rosetting

Staszek,
My reply to your message is having 'delivery failure', so I will reply to you by posting my response to the entire Sans group as I think some will be interested.
Mike
----------
From: Michael LaForest <mlaforest05 <at> comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 09:58:31 -0400
To: "Stanislaw J. Chrapusta" <chrapuss <at> cmdik.pan.pl>
Subject: Re: S. hallii rosetting

How interesting!  Is there no end to the surprises of this silly plant!?  

Staszek, how long does it take to grow a 30" Hallii leaf there in Warsaw?  I have Hallii that is at least 3 years old, and I can't seem to break the 12" long barrier!  Maybe I need to sock the nitrogen to them (a weird American phrase Haha!)

Please send pictures to the group when you can.  The pictures are worth 1000 words each!
Mike




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Joe Flaherty | 1 Mar 2006 17:17
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Re: FW: S. hallii rosetting

Staszek is that fertilizer formulated for some other specific kind of plant?
How did you arrive at the specific fertilizer for sans?

just curious. 

joe

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Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] FW: S. hallii rosetting

FW: S. hallii rosettingI cannot tell exactly how long it takes to grow a 30"
S.hallii leaf since I never paid real attention to the growing 'speed. It is
just my guess that it takes more than one growing season for the leaves to
reach their full size. All my S. hallii plants started from the leaf I took
with me when coming back from the US in October of 1995 (the 'mother' plant,
which I bought from Grigsby's CG, was to simply too big). Now there are six
pots of them in my care (some a size of a 3 gallon bucket). I gave away few
more to my relatives and friends, but as much as I know those plants are on a
different 'diet' and do not grow as vigorously. I feed my plants half of the
time with an organic fertilizer that is quite acidic and really stinks when
concentrated (N+P+K = approx2+approx5+approx4, diluted 100-200 times prior to
use), and half of the time with a slightly acidic (about pH6.0) artificial
fertilizer (N+P+K = 4+7+7, using 100x dilution). They grow in plastic pots
filled with a losely packed mix of regular cactus-type soil (I am actually
hesitating to call it this, because there is no coarse sand or other mineral
material in it, but i is sold under this name in the 'home-and-garden centers
here) and coconut fiber (30-60%), which leaves plenty of space for roots and
rhizomes. During the growing season I water my sans usually once a week, they
are kept indoors all the year long).

Staszek
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael LaForest 
  To: Sansevierias <at> yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 3:07 PM
  Subject: [Sansevierias] FW: S. hallii rosetting

  Staszek, 
  My reply to your message is having 'delivery failure', so I will reply to
you by posting my response to the entire Sans group as I think some will be
interested.
  Mike
  ----------
  From: Michael LaForest <mlaforest05 <at> comcast.net>
  Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 09:58:31 -0400
  To: "Stanislaw J. Chrapusta" <chrapuss <at> cmdik.pan.pl>
  Subject: Re: S. hallii rosetting

  How interesting!  Is there no end to the surprises of this silly plant!?  

  Staszek, how long does it take to grow a 30" Hallii leaf there in Warsaw?  I
have Hallii that is at least 3 years old, and I can't seem to break the 12"
long barrier!  Maybe I need to sock the nitrogen to them (a weird American
phrase Haha!)

  Please send pictures to the group when you can.  The pictures are worth 1000
words each!
  Mike

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Norma L | 1 Mar 2006 17:32
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Re: Hallii question

I thought it was time I sent this.  Norma
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Hallii question

I don't think I have ever seen an adult Sans grown from seed, hence my question.  All my plants are grown from pups.  

Some of these juveniles seem to keep their juvenile forms for years.  Upon reaching maturity, do the juvenile leaves wither away, or just remain small?

If anybody has ever seen a Hallii at ANY stage of development appearing as a rosette, or with a stem, I would like to know it.  Thanks.
Mike


on 2/28/06 9:38 PM, hermine at hermine <at> endangeredspecies.com wrote:

>What are other Sans species that begin life as rosettes, and later change
>their growth form?
>Mike


lots. most. nearly all plants replicate a basic baby form as juveniles.

herm

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michael brodt | 1 Mar 2006 17:36
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Sansevieria SNRS 19499

Since we are all talking about Hallii, I thought it would be time to revive my mysery plant.

Attatched are two photos of a plant I bought labelled as Sansevieria SNRS 19499.
Again, this plant came from a local nursery (Drummond's) and the owner said she ~thought~ she got it from Grigby's years ago. To my inexperienced eyes, it looks like Sansevieria hallii.

Any comments?

-Michael

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