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Norma L | 1 Feb 2006 01:35
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Re: curmudgeon

Reply to me privately.  I want to know more about this.  Norma
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Okay then, i did not mis-speak...exactly fits this description
 
blessings
mark
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Subject: [Sansevierias] curmudgeon

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cur·mudg·eon (k r-m j' n)
n.

An ill-tempered person full of resentment and stubborn notions.

[Origin unknown.]
cur·mudg'eon·ly adj.
cur·mudg'eon·ry n.
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The noun curmudgeon has one meaning:

Meaning #1: a crusty irascible cantankerous old person full of stubborn ideas
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interesting that  there is no origin known. like some of our plant names.

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Norma L | 1 Feb 2006 01:38
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My 'Japanese White Stripe Giant' is white, I think I have a picture of this in my photo files.  If not I can send it.  Since has been discussed before. I think several times.    I thought it was a Japanese import as it applies.  No wonder all of us are confused.  Norma  
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Well....thank you, Mark.  I actually did not realize it until I looked that Juan equates Japanese Stripe with Wagner's Gold in his trifasciata book.
Mike


on 1/31/06 5:16 PM, mark n suze at limelite-1 <at> worldnet.att.net wrote:

Hi Michael

no, sorry, didn't mean to infer that....i meant both W's. G. and Jap. S.are identical yellow variegated sans.  But Herm's came 1st....a pic in her book in fact

all Juan had to do was ask her about the color, ... could have just called her, but *Nooooo*, he chose to just do his own thing regardless.

This shows this person's character and a general  lack of genuine scientific integrity  which he tries so hard to purvey..... just to publish stuff.....

mark
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Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 12:07 PM
Subject: [Sansevierias] Wagner's Gold picture

How interesting!  Yet, Mark, if your plant has white (true albino?) stripes, then it is different than a similar plant with yellow stripes and each would deserve a name.  Is that not so?  

I can trace my Wagner's Gold back to Lynn Wilson, Oklahoma, who I don't know from Adam.  Over the common green trifasciata with its regular cross-banding, my plant shows vertical lines of yolk-yellow variegation. The lines are random and do not correspond front and back of the leaves (mericlinal variegation). Also, each leaf has a different variegation pattern - the lines are placed at random.  On some new growths, the leaves show up looking a lot like 'forescate' with the green only at the margins in narrow bands, and the rest of the leaf yellow.  I have attached a picture of my plant and its differing leaf  colors to this message  for 'show and tell'.

Does your plant ever throw large white (or yellow) centers as in my picture?  
Mike



on 1/30/06 6:36 PM, mark n suze at limelite-1 <at> worldnet.att.net wrote:

Mike...i also have a very forescate looking thing that has come from wagners gold.
however my wagmers gold is frigging *identical* to what Herm sent me many years before as 'Japanese Stripe'....
In-fact, i told Juan that his W.G. was the same as Herm's J. S., and he told me that he knew that.  I then told him that she had definitely published the name 1st.  He then said," well yes, *however*, she failed to mention whether it was white or yellow, so i assumed it was white, and published W.G. it separately"
so this is like several times that i know of in which Juan has committed (i don't know how to spell this word which i believe is Yiddish) crumugeon -like acts.
I am of the *strong* contention that the name of what is widely called 'Wagner's Gold' should be restored to it's original name, 'Japanese Stripe'
Or be -damned!!!!  hehe
blessings
mark


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Norma L | 1 Feb 2006 01:39
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Re: Wagner's Gold picture

Now I'll go and look for my 'Wagner's Gold' I sure I have one with that name as well.  Norma
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Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:16 PM
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Hi Michael
 
no, sorry, didn't mean to infer that....i meant both W's. G. and Jap. S.are identical yellow variegated sans.  But Herm's came 1st....a pic in her book in fact
 
all Juan had to do was ask her about the color, ... could have just called her, but *Nooooo*, he chose to just do his own thing regardless.
 
This shows this person's character and a general  lack of genuine scientific integrity  which he tries so hard to purvey..... just to publish stuff.....
 
mark
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Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 12:07 PM
Subject: [Sansevierias] Wagner's Gold picture

How interesting!  Yet, Mark, if your plant has white (true albino?) stripes, then it is different than a similar plant with yellow stripes and each would deserve a name.  Is that not so?  

I can trace my Wagner's Gold back to Lynn Wilson, Oklahoma, who I don't know from Adam.  Over the common green trifasciata with its regular cross-banding, my plant shows vertical lines of yolk-yellow variegation. The lines are random and do not correspond front and back of the leaves (mericlinal variegation). Also, each leaf has a different variegation pattern - the lines are placed at random.  On some new growths, the leaves show up looking a lot like 'forescate' with the green only at the margins in narrow bands, and the rest of the leaf yellow.  I have attached a picture of my plant and its differing leaf  colors to this message  for 'show and tell'.

Does your plant ever throw large white (or yellow) centers as in my picture?  
Mike



on 1/30/06 6:36 PM, mark n suze at limelite-1 <at> worldnet.att.net wrote:

Mike...i also have a very forescate looking thing that has come from wagners gold.
however my wagmers gold is frigging *identical* to what Herm sent me many years before as 'Japanese Stripe'....
In-fact, i told Juan that his W.G. was the same as Herm's J. S., and he told me that he knew that.  I then told him that she had definitely published the name 1st.  He then said," well yes, *however*, she failed to mention whether it was white or yellow, so i assumed it was white, and published W.G. it separately"
so this is like several times that i know of in which Juan has committed (i don't know how to spell this word which i believe is Yiddish) crumugeon -like acts.
I am of the *strong* contention that the name of what is widely called 'Wagner's Gold' should be restored to it's original name, 'Japanese Stripe'
Or be -damned!!!!  hehe
blessings
mark


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Joe Flaherty | 1 Feb 2006 01:40
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HEY! Didn't I just say that THRICE?

You ol' curmudgeon! hee, hee....

joe

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Well....thank you, Mark.  I actually did not realize it until I looked that
Juan equates Japanese Stripe with Wagner's Gold in his trifasciata book.
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Norma L | 1 Feb 2006 01:41
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Yes, exactly what I said, many are unstable. But they give them a name and sell them anyway.  When do children learn ethics?  All the news ones I consider unstable.  Including all variegated.  Norma
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Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:47 PM
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Hi Norma
 
but remember that everything that appears different, like variegation or leaf shape/size etc. originally occurs as a sport.
 
some are *relatively* stable, like laurentii, Lilian True, hahnii, Grey Lady, gold hahnii, bantell's sensation etc. etc.
 
Sometimes sports occur which are only a mid-step between what they came from and what they're going to become, given time.  So i guess that some appear to be unstable till they "settle down".
 
hope this makes sense
 
blessings
mark
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Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:03 PM
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I thought that most sports are extremely variable.    I have several sports, that swing to both ends of the extreme, so what is new?    Norma
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Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:07 AM
Subject: [Sansevierias] Wagner's Gold picture

How interesting!  Yet, Mark, if your plant has white (true albino?) stripes, then it is different than a similar plant with yellow stripes and each would deserve a name.  Is that not so?  

I can trace my Wagner's Gold back to Lynn Wilson, Oklahoma, who I don't know from Adam.  Over the common green trifasciata with its regular cross-banding, my plant shows vertical lines of yolk-yellow variegation. The lines are random and do not correspond front and back of the leaves (mericlinal variegation). Also, each leaf has a different variegation pattern - the lines are placed at random.  On some new growths, the leaves show up looking a lot like 'forescate' with the green only at the margins in narrow bands, and the rest of the leaf yellow.  I have attached a picture of my plant and its differing leaf  colors to this message  for 'show and tell'.

Does your plant ever throw large white (or yellow) centers as in my picture?  
Mike



on 1/30/06 6:36 PM, mark n suze at limelite-1 <at> worldnet.att.net wrote:

Mike...i also have a very forescate looking thing that has come from wagners gold.
however my wagmers gold is frigging *identical* to what Herm sent me many years before as 'Japanese Stripe'....
In-fact, i told Juan that his W.G. was the same as Herm's J. S., and he told me that he knew that.  I then told him that she had definitely published the name 1st.  He then said," well yes, *however*, she failed to mention whether it was white or yellow, so i assumed it was white, and published W.G. it separately"
so this is like several times that i know of in which Juan has committed (i don't know how to spell this word which i believe is Yiddish) crumugeon -like acts.
I am of the *strong* contention that the name of what is widely called 'Wagner's Gold' should be restored to it's original name, 'Japanese Stripe'
Or be -damned!!!!  hehe
blessings
mark


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Norma L | 1 Feb 2006 01:59
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Now I need to find a picture of Wagner's Gold.  Norma
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Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:40 PM
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HEY! Didn't I just say that THRICE?

You ol' curmudgeon! hee, hee....

joe

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Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Wagner's Gold picture

Well....thank you, Mark.  I actually did not realize it until I looked that
Juan equates Japanese Stripe with Wagner's Gold in his trifasciata book.
Mike




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Norma L | 1 Feb 2006 04:02
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It sure doesn't look like mine.  Norma
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No idea if this representitive, but here's the Wagner's Gold from
Glasshouse(see below).

joe

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Now I need to find a picture of Wagner's Gold.  Norma
 



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hermine | 1 Feb 2006 06:51

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Searching for the origins of "Alte Kacker", I came across the perfect description of the fellow who so nastily critized Juan's book: he is a Korinthen Kacker, a "currant crapper", someone who is t0tally "anal".
Hans


the horrible thing is they are BOTH MY FRIENDS

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hermine | 1 Feb 2006 06:52

Re: Wagner's Gold picture

At 09:07 AM 1/31/2006, Michael LaForest wrote:
>How interesting!  Yet, Mark, if your plant has white (true albino?) 
>stripes, then it is different than a similar plant with yellow 
>stripes and each would deserve a name.  Is that not so?
>
>I can trace my Wagner's Gold back to Lynn Wilson, Oklahoma, who I 
>don't know from Adam.  Over the common green trifasciata with its 
>regular cross-banding, my plant shows vertical lines of yolk-yellow 
>variegation. The lines are random and do not correspond front and 
>back of the leaves (mericlinal variegation). Also, each leaf has a 
>different variegation pattern - the lines are placed at random.  On 
>some new growths, the leaves show up looking a lot like 'forescate' 
>with the green only at the margins in narrow bands, and the rest of 
>the leaf yellow.  I have attached a picture of my plant and its 
>differing leaf  colors to this message  for 'show and tell'.

Well to me it does not look like foresgate OR like Wagners Gold but 
it is a heck of a gorgeous plant!

hermine

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hermine | 1 Feb 2006 06:55

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At 01:16 PM 1/31/2006, mark n suze wrote:
Hi Michael
 
no, sorry, didn't mean to infer that....i meant both W's. G. and Jap. S.are identical yellow variegated sans.  But Herm's came 1st....a pic in her book in fact
 
all Juan had to do was ask her about the color, ...


there is no white striping in either.

YELLOW strong YELLOW. but maybe it just slipped between the cracks,  you know?

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