Tril | 1 Aug 09:58 2003

Re: Announcing Max and Slate?

On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 03:28:45PM -0700, Brian T Rice wrote:
> Do you think they're worthy of a front-page news item? I suppose the
> specification document that's been lingering for the last few months is
> worth posting about as well.

Sure, go ahead and post.  Send a copy of the text to
tunes-announce <at> tunes.org and I'll moderate it through when I check my
e-mail.

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Brian T Rice | 1 Aug 20:20 2003

Re: Announcing Max and Slate?

Done, along with news items for the front page.

On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Tril wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 03:28:45PM -0700, Brian T Rice wrote:
> > Do you think they're worthy of a front-page news item? I suppose the
> > specification document that's been lingering for the last few months is
> > worth posting about as well.
>
> Sure, go ahead and post.  Send a copy of the text to
> tunes-announce <at> tunes.org and I'll moderate it through when I check my
> e-mail.

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Massimo Dentico | 19 Aug 22:50 2003
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UK professor claims a patent on DBMS implementation techniques I have published on Tunes LLL ml.

I have received this e-mail, my replay follow immediately:

================================================================================
  From: "Mr John Wilson" <john.wilson <at> cis.strath.ac.uk>
  To: <m.dentico <at> virgilio.it>
  Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:03 PM
  Subject: Compressed database

  
  > USING COMPRESSED BITVECTORS TO IMPLEMENT RELATIONS           (D R A F T)
  > -- Small steps toward a True Relational DBMSs?
  > -- 
  > We saw your paper, we implemented most of this in a system
  > patented in 1996. See Computer Journal, 41:5 : 283-296, 1998
  > ____________________________________________________________________________
  > John N. Wilson
  > Computer and Information Sciences, University of Strathclyde, Glasgow G1 
  > 1XH, Scotland
  > Phone: +44 (0)141 548 3584 (direct) Fax:   +44 (0)141 552 5330 (dept)
  > 
  > http://www.cs.strath.ac.uk/biography/jnw/
  >

  I have  done a  little search  on US  patent database.  Please, can  you
  confirm that the number of your patent is 6,169,990?

  I am a little bit surprised, it is not clear to me where is the  novelty
  in the techniques  your patent claims.  The implementation techniques  I
  have published in that e-mail are old, some very old ("prior art").

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James Michael DuPont | 20 Aug 10:31 2003
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Re: UK professor claims a patent on DBMS implementation techniques I have published on Tunes LLL ml.

--- Massimo Dentico <m.dentico <at> virgilio.it> wrote:
> Do you have suggestions on how to proceed in this case?

1. Find out any people licenseing this patent, and major contracts the
university has and industry partners.Find out who was financing this
research. 
Write to all the partners using the patent expressing your concerns
with the patent.

2. Find out the management structure of the uni, all the way up to the
government regulator agency. Write to each on and point out the prior
art.

3. File a formal complaint to the patent agency that registered the
patent.

mike

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James Michael DuPont
http://introspector.sourceforge.net/

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James Michael DuPont | 30 Aug 11:42 2003
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Review of TUNES, arrow and the semantic web in the context of the introspector

Dear Tuners,

After being accused (Rightfully) of not understanding tunes or doing my
homework, I have started from the beginning. The arrow system is the
first part of tunes that I think could have be grasped and processed by
an machine.  I am starting a very detailed review of TUNEs in the
context of the semantic web and the introspector project.

I have been reviewing the arrow philosophy file, and for this purpose,
I converted it to text, 
http://introspector.sourceforge.net/2003/08/ArrowPhilosophy.txt

PhilosophyText CHUMP entry 
http://rdfig.xmlhack.com/2003/08/30/2003-08-30.html#1062208848.959835

I am not done with this process, but as far as I can tell, arrow and
the semantic web are very related, more than noted in the tune cliki.
In fact, the definition of the MetaText seems to do a disservice to the
semantic web, I can only assume that this is because lack of deeper
research.
MetaText  CHUMP
http://rdfig.xmlhack.com/2003/08/30/2003-08-30.html#1062231989.305187

I have extracted the beginnings of an OWL ontology for the classes of
arrow here :
http://introspector.sourceforge.net/2003/08/arrowclasses.n3
CHUMP :
http://rdfig.xmlhack.com/2003/08/30/2003-08-30.html#1062234793.644775

When I am finished reviewing arrow, then I can make the connection
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Brian T Rice | 30 Aug 23:12 2003

Re: Review of TUNES, arrow and the semantic web in the context of the introspector

Hello again,

On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, James Michael DuPont wrote:

> Dear Tuners,
>
> After being accused (Rightfully) of not understanding tunes or doing my
> homework, I have started from the beginning. The arrow system is the
> first part of tunes that I think could have be grasped and processed by
> an machine.  I am starting a very detailed review of TUNEs in the
> context of the semantic web and the introspector project.

Thanks for finally admitting it. What follows seems like a step, but you
are still displaying some interaction patterns that are troublesome.

A post-facto note: I think you should have surveyed the mailing list
discussions from the past before summarizing as you did.

You are actually wrong about Arrow. Arrow is a superset of TUNES ideas to
a large extent. But I don't really have time to explain this at the
moment. (I've said it on the mailing list and explained it fairly often.
Look there.)

> I have been reviewing the arrow philosophy file, and for this purpose,
> I converted it to text,
> http://introspector.sourceforge.net/2003/08/ArrowPhilosophy.txt

You should have just asked for an alternative format, like HTML. I'll dig
up my sources and export them soon.

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James Michael DuPont | 31 Aug 11:15 2003
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Re: Review of TUNES, arrow and the semantic web in the context of the introspector

--- Brian T Rice <water <at> tunes.org> wrote:
> Hello again,
Hi Brian, 

Thanks for the long and intelligent response, I will have to read up
alot before I can answer your valid challenges and questions in detail.

I have no interest in self promotion here, other than to take part in
this great challenge of uncderstanding tunes and helping making it a
great system.

My posting of this details show my small working knowledge, and I can
accept criticism. In fact I am happy that you took your time and
answered in such detail.

 > > I have been reviewing the arrow philosophy file, and for this
> purpose,
> > I converted it to text,
> > http://introspector.sourceforge.net/2003/08/ArrowPhilosophy.txt
> 
> You should have just asked for an alternative format, like HTML. I'll
> dig
> up my sources and export them soon.

Thats great. Please do. 

> 
> > PhilosophyText CHUMP entry
> >
> http://rdfig.xmlhack.com/2003/08/30/2003-08-30.html#1062208848.959835
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