Bill Bradford | 17 Jun 21:04 2011
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Passing on some news..

http://www.sunhelp.org/2011/06/17/oracle-solaris-11-drops-support-for-legacy-sun-hardware/

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Mark Benson | 17 Jun 22:55 2011
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Re: Passing on some news..

On 17 Jun 2011, at 20:04, Bill Bradford wrote:

> http://www.sunhelp.org/2011/06/17/oracle-solaris-11-drops-support-for-legacy-sun-hardware/

Larry Ellison - **** him.

Seriously though, although some of the higher end systems are still viable, the low end stuff is going on for
15-20 years old. I'm aware enterprise legacy is a lot longer than consumer markets but Oracle are not Sun.
This is all stuff they can do without supporting in a current OS, and they can provide Solaris 9 and 10 for
these systems still.

Shrewd move if you ask me. Kinda sad for those wanting to upgrade on older hardware, but I can't say I didn't
expect it.

There still remains the thorn that there's no Solaris 10 hobbyist license of any kind to run older machines
with Sol10 without a service deal. Can't see Oracle changing that. It's the part that really bugs me to be
honest, especially while I'm sitting here laying with a Hobbyist licensed version of OpenVMS (thanks HP!!).

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Adam Victor Reed | 18 Jun 00:26 2011

Re: Passing on some news..

Where did Oracle put the Solaris 9 ISOs? I will need them if I need to
re-image my legacy systems, but I can't find them... Does anyone have a
current URL for download from Oracle?

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On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 09:55:37PM +0100, Mark Benson wrote:
> On 17 Jun 2011, at 20:04, Bill Bradford wrote:
> 
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/2011/06/17/oracle-solaris-11-drops-support-for-legacy-sun-hardware/
> 
> Larry Ellison - **** him.
> 
> Seriously though, although some of the higher end systems are still viable, the low end stuff is going on
for 15-20 years old. I'm aware enterprise legacy is a lot longer than consumer markets but Oracle are not
Sun. This is all stuff they can do without supporting in a current OS, and they can provide Solaris 9 and 10
for these systems still.
> 
> Shrewd move if you ask me. Kinda sad for those wanting to upgrade on older hardware, but I can't say I didn't
expect it.
> 
> There still remains the thorn that there's no Solaris 10 hobbyist license of any kind to run older machines
with Sol10 without a service deal. Can't see Oracle changing that. It's the part that really bugs me to be
honest, especially while I'm sitting here laying with a Hobbyist licensed version of OpenVMS (thanks HP!!).
> 
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Brian Richman | 18 Jun 02:13 2011
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Re: Passing on some news..

Looks like if it isn't an Exa-something, it might soon be time to move on... 
At least my M5000 and T2000 boxes will carry on for a few years yet. 

Guess
we had better prepare our management for the move to dump more Oracle hardware
and Software sooner than would have been optimal on the cost-efficiency curve
for us... 

Larry Ellison? BYEEEEEEEEEE...

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Sandwich Maker | 18 Jun 04:39 2011
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Re: [rescue] Passing on some news..

" From: Bill Bradford <mrbill <at> mrbill.net>
" 
" http://www.sunhelp.org/2011/06/17/oracle-solaris-11-drops-support-for-legacy-sun-hardware/

yikes!  that's rather a long list...  but when did s10/s11 ever support
us1 in the first place [not counting alphas/betas]?
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Jerry Kemp | 18 Jun 06:08 2011

Re: Passing on some news..

From my documentation, Solaris 10 Express release (11/03) was the last
release to support the Ultra 1 platform.  Support for the Ultra 1 could
easily be shoe-horned back in.

I have high hopes that support for Ultra III && IV systems can be
shoe-horned back into Solaris 11.  Obviously this would be for my hobby
support.  $WORK has been on T series and M series boxes for years.

Probably a better option would be to see what the Illumos/OpenIndiana
people are doing.

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X 10.7/Lion.  :)

Jerry

On 06/17/11 21:39, Sandwich Maker wrote:

> 
> yikes!  that's rather a long list...  but when did s10/s11 ever support
> us1 in the first place [not counting alphas/betas]?
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Jonathan Patschke | 18 Jun 08:16 2011
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Re: [geeks] Passing on some news..

On Fri, 17 Jun 2011, Bill Bradford wrote:

> http://www.sunhelp.org/2011/06/17/oracle-solaris-11-drops-support-for-legacy-sun-hardware/

That's okay.  From what I've seen of Solaris 11 Express, SPARC has been
supported worse by better.

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Mark Benson | 18 Jun 09:20 2011
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On 18 Jun 2011, at 01:13, Brian Richman wrote:

> Guess
> we had better prepare our management for the move to dump more Oracle
hardware
> and Software sooner than would have been optimal on the cost-efficiency
curve
> for us...
>
> Larry Ellison? BYEEEEEEEEEE...

Woah, woah. Hold on.

"Note: Oracle Solaris 10 will continue to be a supported operating system for
these affected platforms as per the current Oracle lifetime support policy."

They aren't exactly dumping support for Solaris 10 legacy SPARC platforms. If
you are in a corporate environment I don't think there's any need to panic
*yet*. I know it's far from a good sign, but I'm guessing they are probably
gonna push out support contracts and patches for Solaris 10 platforms for a
good while yet. I imagine many companies are still happily existing on Solaris
10 'legacy' hardware and Oracle databases. They'd shoot themselves in the foot
if they messed that up. What exactly is this 'Lifetime support policy' anyway?
How long will it last?

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Sandwich Maker | 18 Jun 15:21 2011
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Re: Passing on some news..

" From: Adam Victor Reed <areed2 <at> calstatela.edu>
" 
" Where did Oracle put the Solaris 9 ISOs? I will need them if I need to
" re-image my legacy systems, but I can't find them... Does anyone have a
" current URL for download from Oracle?

i believe they removed them - oracle doesn't believe in -giving- stuff
away.  i'd like to be proved wrong in this case though.
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Jerry Kemp | 18 Jun 17:27 2011

Re: Passing on some news..

I thought that the Solaris 9 stuff disappeared long before Oracle
purchased Sun.

Jerry

On 06/18/11 08:21, Sandwich Maker wrote:
> " From: Adam Victor Reed <areed2 <at> calstatela.edu>
> " 
> " Where did Oracle put the Solaris 9 ISOs? I will need them if I need to
> " re-image my legacy systems, but I can't find them... Does anyone have a
> " current URL for download from Oracle?
> 
> i believe they removed them - oracle doesn't believe in -giving- stuff
> away.  i'd like to be proved wrong in this case though.
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