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John Duncan | 1 Sep 2005 01:05
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[osol-discuss] Re: Backwards Compatibility

Hi Joerg,
                Must have been a close call between you, I think Poplog was around about the same time, I don't know about
Poplog Ved.

                 Of course my first idea was to try to install SchilliX but I somehow got the impression that it wasn't that
simple. If indeed it is possible to install SchilliX on a
x86 PC without Solaris installed I will have a go.

                                                       All the best,
                                                             John Duncan
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Richard Elling | 1 Sep 2005 01:14
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[osol-discuss] lame discussion notifications

Is it just me, or do others think that the e-mail notifications of 
watched threads is lame?  Here's what I get:

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You are watching the forum "discuss", which was updated Aug 31, 2005 3:40:27 PM by Sherry Q. Moore.

To view the forum, visit:
http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=26.

To view the thread, visit:
http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?forumID=26&threadID=2030
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While I'm sure that 26 and 2030 mean something to the forum software, they
don't mean anything to me.  What would it take to include the forum name
and thread subject?

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Joerg Schilling | 1 Sep 2005 01:13
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Re: [osol-discuss] Re: zfs

Daniel Rock <solaris@...> wrote:

> > Why do you believe this, do you have any prove for this?
>
> There are many other sites which cite Kirk as primary author of FFS. But 
> Kirk himself is more humble about it:
>
>
> - Bill Joy did the first design of FFS. I implemented his initial design
> - filling out the missing bits with my own ideas. So, I consider it to be
> - a joint design by Bill and myself. I have done all of the additional

OK, so far. From the information I have, it was a joint Master Thesis
from Bill, Kirk & Samuel Leffler.

> - work on the filesystem since that time which includes dynamic block
> - reallocation, soft updates, snapshots, and most recently the change
> - to 64-bit block pointers to support multi-Terabyte and larger filesystems.

Well, this is not really true as this is work that has been done
for FreeBSD _after_ FreeBSD did decide not to start with a recent version
of 4.2FS/UFS/FFS in 1993, but to go back to a ~ 1985 version which was similar 
to the 1982 version and go into a different direction than the code did go so 
far. 

> > In the early 1990s, FreeBSD did not follow the changes made by Sun:
> > 
> > -	Allow more than 32 cylinders/group by adding dynamic rotational tables
> > 	SunOS-4.0 (1987)
>
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Joerg Schilling | 1 Sep 2005 01:16
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Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Backwards Compatibility

John Duncan <agley@...> wrote:

> Hi Joerg,
>                 Must have been a close call between you, I think Poplog was around about the same time, I don't know about
Poplog Ved.

The source I did fetch mentions the first Copyright for Poplog Ved to 1993.

>                  Of course my first idea was to try to install SchilliX but I somehow got the impression that it wasn't that
simple. If indeed it is possible to install SchilliX on a
> x86 PC without Solaris installed I will have a go.

It works in case you manually create a fdisk partition for
Schillix.

Jörg

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Dave Marquardt | 1 Sep 2005 01:22
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Re: [osol-discuss] lame discussion notifications

"Richard" == Richard Elling <Richard.Elling@...> writes:

Richard> Is it just me, or do others think that the e-mail notifications of 
Richard> watched threads is lame?  Here's what I get:

Richard> ---
Richard> You are watching the forum "discuss", which was updated Aug 31, 2005 3:40:27 PM by Sherry Q. Moore.

Richard> While I'm sure that 26 and 2030 mean something to the forum
Richard> software, they don't mean anything to me.  What would it take
Richard> to include the forum name and thread subject?

Isn't "discuss" above the forum name?
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Scott Dickson | 1 Sep 2005 01:30
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Re: [osol-discuss] opensolaris user group in Atlanta?!?

Kathy Chamberlain (Kathy.Chamberlain@...) in Atlanta is working on 
this very thing.

Jim Grisanzio wrote:

> Matty wrote:
>
>>
>> Anyone interested in putting together an opensolaris user group in 
>> Atlanta? I pinged our sales representative and he may be able to 
>> assist with a meeting location and food.
>>
>> Reply back if your interested,
>> - Ryan
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>
>
> If you form a group, we'll give you a page on the user group community 
> and a mail list if you like:
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/
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> Let me know over on ug-discuss.
>
> Jim G.

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Richard Elling | 1 Sep 2005 01:48
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[osol-discuss] Re: lame discussion notifications

> Isn't "discuss" above the forum name?

Sure, but "OpenSolaris-discuss" is more better.
Thread name is the bigger peeve.
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Daniel Rock | 1 Sep 2005 02:22
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Re: [osol-discuss] Re: zfs

Joerg Schilling schrieb:
> Daniel Rock <solaris@...> wrote:
> With a UFS version from SunOS-4.0 (1987) or later, newfs of course and
> even by default uses bigger values (depending on the geometry and size
> of the disk). BTW: The number of inodes/cylinder group is unrelated
> to the number of cylinders per group.

If you want to enlarge cpg, with the same amount of total inodes in the file 
system, you'll need more space for the inode bitmap in the cg superblock. 
But the cg superblock is limited to one fs block.
So to use a larger cpg value you usually have to decrease the inode density.

> This is what I said: The clean flag was always in (but unused).
 >
> SunOS-4.1 did introduce it around 1989.
> 
> FreeBSD did introduce an incomatible implementation after 1993..

Who cares. I already told you, that I had to fsck the filesystem anyway 
before using it on the other system, so the fs_clean flag was irrelevant.

> WRONG: Nothing did shift caused ny the shadow inode.

I said that they are on shifted locations. I didn't say that they were once 
shifted on purpuse in the same implementation.

>>I have done it back these days several times. I used an UFS formatted ZIP 
>>disk for data exchange between FreeBSD and Solaris/x86. It was far from 
>>perfect, but it worked at least for regular files and directories. I didn't 
>>have any intention for using more features.
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John Duncan | 1 Sep 2005 03:26
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[osol-discuss] Re: Backwards Compatibility

Hi Matt,
              Thanks for this info. Poplog carries its own build system which piggybacks off the system it is on. I see in an
old message on comp.lang.pop that at one English University they have this running on Solaris 10 using the
sun compiler, though it is not publically available it must be possible !

                                                     Thanks again,
                                                             John Duncan
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Derek Cicero | 1 Sep 2005 04:19
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Re: [osol-discuss] lame discussion notifications

Richard Elling wrote:

> Is it just me, or do others think that the e-mail notifications of
> watched threads is lame? Here's what I get:
>
> ---
> You are watching the forum "discuss", which was updated Aug 31, 2005 
> 3:40:27 PM by Sherry Q. Moore.
>
> To view the forum, visit:
> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=26.
>
> To view the thread, visit:
> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?forumID=26&threadID=2030
> ---
>
> While I'm sure that 26 and 2030 mean something to the forum software, they
> don't mean anything to me. What would it take to include the forum name
> and thread subject?

It certainly can't hurt to provide more information, so I'll look into 
it. I'll post any follow on questions/issues on [website-discuss] for 
those interested and provide [opensolaris-discuss] with the final 
resolution.

Derek

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> -- richard
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