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Ted Palmer | 1 Aug 2007 03:40
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RE: Apple Terminal

Ben wrote:

> All this talk lately about using old Apple machines as serial  
> terminals came to a head this weekend when a friend emailed me these  
> links saying "Seen these?"
[...]

I must have missed that thread.

I have dealt enough with serial terminals over the years to have no
remaining fascination for them.
I still have a genuine VT101 taking up space somewhere and a clone
VT220 unit. The VT101 probably uses more power and makes more heat
than a hyperactive Pentium 4.

If I feel the need to carry a portable terminal, a Palm Vx with a
custom serial cable and a bit of software can do the job.
Seeing the serial boot output from a headless Sun server is about 
the only use for it I can think of.
I think I might have used a modem with the Palm once to remotely
dial into my 386 PC (running a UUCP leaf node on Coherent OS) just
for the hell of it.
Using the Palm screen is only slightly less cumbersome than trying
to type on an original VT10x keyboard.

I think the most pointless thing I did with the VT101 was to redirect
the command line console of a Windows 3.0 system to the serial port. 
It's not as easy as it sounds and not really useful anyway.

Mister_T
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Scott Stevens | 1 Aug 2007 05:17
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Re: Apple Terminal

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:56:21 +0200
Ben Lewis <benjamin.lewis <at> belgacom.net> wrote:

> Hello Folks
> 
> All this talk lately about using old Apple machines as serial  
> terminals came to a head this weekend when a friend emailed me these  
> links saying "Seen these?"
> 
> http://www.dataswamp.net/apple2eserialterm/
> 
> http://www.bytecellar.com/archives/000113.php
> 
> Not to be outdone I whipped up my own creation and sent him a picture  
> right back :-
> 
> http://www.ipcress.net/images/ColourClassicTerminal.jpg
> 
> That's NSCA Telnet running on Mac OS System 7. Thinking that serial  
> connections were now old hat I fitted a TCP/IP network card from an  
> old Performa and installed the Apple Open Transport extensions and  
> hey presto, "it just works" :)
> 
> Ok I know it's not rocket science but it whiled away a rainy sunday  
> afternoon.
> 

Mine is an X-terminal.  

http://sasteven.multics.org/MacSE30/MacSE30.html
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Angus Fox | 1 Aug 2007 15:32
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Re: Apple Terminal


On 1 Aug 2007, at 04:17, Scott Stevens wrote:

>
> I don't know if you can even run NetBSD on a Color Classic.  An SE/ 
> 30 is a far superior machine for that purpose.  It was awhile later  
> before Apple produced any hardware better than the SE/30, imho.
>

When I worked at 'TOPS' the Apple Networking division of Sun  
Microsystems (unbelievable but true), my two main computers were an  
SE/30 and a Sun 386i.

I loved them both, and we had an AppleTalk enabled version of the Sun  
Kernel provided by TOPS for the Sun which allowed the Sun machines to  
be file servers on a TOPS AppleTalk based network. TOPS had its own  
'fast AppleTalk' 'FlashTalk' chip as used on the PC AppleTalk cards  
which- was going to be on the SPARCstation1 but it was buggy and got  
pulled before first customer ship.

Getting back to the off topic :-) TOPS used to have a Mac based  
Telnet like product for AppleTalk called TOPS Terminal, which used  
AppleTalk not TCP/IP and consequently did not require MacTCP to get  
it to work but it did I think require an AppleTalk to Ethernet  
Gateway like a Shiva/Kinetics Fastpath to make it work. I probably  
still have a copy somewhere if anyone wants it. It was public domain  
anyway and Id just about forgotten about it till this thread reminded  
me.
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Ethan Dicks | 1 Aug 2007 16:02
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Re: Apple Terminal

On 7/31/07, Ted Palmer <tedp <at> iprimus.com.au> wrote:
> Ben wrote:
>
> > All this talk lately about using old Apple machines as serial
> > terminals came to a head this weekend when a friend emailed me these
> > links saying "Seen these?"
>
> I have dealt enough with serial terminals over the years to have no
> remaining fascination for them.

I used to be on dumb terminals 8-10 hrs/day, but I still find them
preferable to some environments.

> I still have a genuine VT101 taking up space somewhere and a clone
> VT220 unit.

I have (and use) a variety of terminals - most recently, a tiny Planar
Systems "ELT-320" - 7" Electroluminescent flat panel, VT-320 features.
 I have a VT220 hanging off of a PDP-8/L, using its
now-impossible-to-find 20mA port.

Dumb terminals have their uses - I like the fact that they come up
quickly (especially without a tube), and do exactly what they are
supposed to do.  No emulation problems, no extra features... you type,
it displays.

> The VT101 probably uses more power and makes more heat
> than a hyperactive Pentium 4.

A VT101 consumes about 150W.  If your Pentium 4 has an LCD panel, I'll
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silvercreekvalley | 7 Aug 2007 13:47
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Sun Multibus

Its a long shot :) - but does anyone have any
spare Sun related Multibus cards. I'm currently
restoring an old Sun, but many cards have proved
difficult to repair (memory cards failing, etc).

I do have other Sun parts to trade or can pay
if its not too much..

Also does anyone have any manuals for the early
multibus cards. I've found quite a bit on the 
web, but quite a bit is missing - particularly
info on the early graphic cards setup, etc.

All the best

Ian.

       
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Huge | 7 Aug 2007 22:33
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386i software

I've just found a DC6150 cartridge with some 386i software on it, to
whit;

Mosaic
X11R5p125
gcc-2.4.5
gzip-1.2.4
ntalk
ppp-1.2
rzsz9305
tcsh-6.03
xloadimage
xplaygizmo
xv-3.00a

There's some source, some binary only.

Anyone want it? Email me before it goes in the trash.
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Andre van Eyssen | 8 Aug 2007 02:01
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Re: 386i software


On Tue, 7 Aug 2007, Huge wrote:

> I've just found a DC6150 cartridge with some 386i software on it, to
> whit;
>
> Mosaic
> X11R5p125
> gcc-2.4.5
> gzip-1.2.4
> ntalk
> ppp-1.2
> rzsz9305
> tcsh-6.03
> xloadimage
> xplaygizmo
> xv-3.00a
>
> There's some source, some binary only.
>
> Anyone want it? Email me before it goes in the trash.

If any of this isn't obtainable online, it might be worth getting it up on 
a website somewhere so it doesn't go missing. For example, Mosiac and X11.

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Andre van Eyssen.
                   "the only value you can add to a banana is a bruise"
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earl | 8 Aug 2007 05:56

Re: Suns-at-Home digest, Vol 1 #558 - 1 msg


> Its a long shot :) - but does anyone have any spare Sun related  
> Multibus cards.
> I'm currently restoring an old Sun, but many cards have proved
> difficult to repair (memory cards failing, etc).
>
> I do have other Sun parts to trade or can pay if its not too much..
>
> Also does anyone have any manuals for the early multibus cards.
> I've found quite a bit on the web, but quite a bit is missing -  
> particularly
> info on the early graphic cards setup, etc.
>
> All the best
>
> Ian.

Ian,

Well, I've got a Sun 2/120 here, and a Sun 3 that I'm in the middle  
of restoring.
I've got some work to do on the 2/120 (I'm looking for the original  
face plate... I've
got all the metal skins, but not the front plastic part) but it was  
functional when
I got it... though there may be some issues with the power supply.

In a week or so, I'm going to pick up a 1/4 van full of Sun 3 parts  
(which may
include some multibus cards... I've seen some that were in some
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Mauricio Tavares | 9 Aug 2007 06:03
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sunpci ii fan

     How can I find out if the stupid fan is working in the sunpci ii 
card?  The cmos tells me it is not but I do not know if I can trust it...
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Colin Morey | 10 Aug 2007 12:00
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Re: Free to good Sun home in UK: Sun monitor

On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 10:20 +0000, Jon Laughton wrote:
> I have a Sun GDM-1962B, 19" Trinitron monitor which a UK Sun enthusisast
> can have if they would like to collect it.
> The date of manufacture is March 1993 and the image quality is very
> good. The monitor is excellent cosmetically and very clean (cos I just
> cleaned it.) Working till very recently on my olde IPX. Unfortunately,
> no monitor or power cable. Located in N Bucks (nr J14 M1.)
> 
> Please e-mail me at <snip>
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jon Laughton
> 
> PS This is quite a heavy monitor to lift/carry.

Yes, this is an old email to reply to, but my use for this monitor has
ended, i'm just not using any of the old sparc equipment i have lying
around and if i _need_ a sync-on-green i have an old 17" sun monitor to
do the job.

details are as above, please email me if you would like it, otherwise it
will go on freecycle, and thence to the tip.

Collection will be from Warrington, or possibly Manchester for the next
few days. If i'm feeling generous then i may be able to deliver it to
somewhere reasonable for petrol money.

It was working when i last powered it up, but i'd have to double check
as it's been sat around for a while.
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