Zachary Gorden | 24 May 18:38 2016
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Weirdness on QEMU

So I've been trying to get ReactOS installed on the Windows QEMU build from https://qemu.weilnetz.de/ and during the file copy part of the first stage installer the thing, slows down. Substantially. And then silently comes to a standstill. I'm not sure whether this is an I/O issue in ReactOS or what, the old qemu that we used for the older 0.3.x releases didn't have this problem. Anyone have any ideas?
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Love Nystrom | 24 May 15:03 2016
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Re: 4th scenario

On 2016-05-24 19.00, "David Quintana (gigaherz)" <gigaherz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Wouldn't that make people MORE interested in using reactos if it becomes a way for them to have NT6, without pirating or buying Windows?

Yes it would, of course..

I understand there is, f.ex, a keen interest in India.
India has a long history of mathematics, philosophy, et c,
but has been quite poor for as long as I remember.
A free windows compatible OS would be most welcome, I'm sure.

Sidenote: They have good programmers too (even though they
have a tendency to "do as they're told" and say nothing
even if they see a better way to go. (A cultural thing.))

Here in Southeast Asia computer literacy is still
in it's infancy, and the people a far from wealthy,
so I'm sure a working ReactOS would be most welcome
if people knew about it.

Best Regards
// Neo


On 23 May 2016 at 14:21, Love Nystrom <love.nystrom-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

Ok, I can understand if it has become uncommon in rich parts of the world like Europe and US,
f.ex in Italy, but the rest of the world would probably seem arcane computerwise to you.

Here in Southeast Asia where I live, many still run WinXP on their office workstations.
Likewise, they run Server 2oo3, if they indeed have legitimate licenses at all.
In the computer shops you'll only see Win10 OEM though, cause MS dictates it,
while the black market for cracked software of every kind is huge.


-- There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world, and that's an idea whose time has come. [Victor Hugo]
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Love Nystrom | 24 May 09:02 2016
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rosapps CreateSpec (Fw: ReactOS versioning)

<at> Timo, <at> Anyone,
I can't get a connection to the public symbol server, and my local ntdll.pdb et.al
don't match the ones in my system, so the spec files I generate are half-baked..
No parameters.

I can't figure out why SymSrv won't connect to http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols
(The malfunction does not seem to be isolated to CreateSpec, I see it in VStudio 2oo8 and WinDbg too.)

SymSrvIsStore keeps failing with error 0x7E no matter what I do :-/
I'm on Win7SP1 x64 and SymSrv.dll and DbgHelp.dll are both 6.8.

Anybody got any clues to resolve this ?

Some kind of bitness issue (64<-->32) ?
Misconfigured sym server (65.55.10.11) ?
MS refuse to dish out symbols to north-east Thailand ?
The protocol is HTTP(s), so there shouldn't be blockage from my ISP.
My firewall don't trigger so it shouldn't be blocking either.

Googling for a solution yields zilch.. Only 1000 ways to set _NT_SYMBOL_PATH
and absolutely zero hints to resolve malfunctions :-/

A little help guys ?

Best Regards
// Neo
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Love Nystrom | 23 May 14:21 2016
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Re: 4th scenario

Ok, I can understand if it has become uncommon in rich parts of the world like Europe and US,
f.ex in Italy, but the rest of the world would probably seem arcane computerwise to you.

Here in Southeast Asia where I live, many still run WinXP on their office workstations.
Likewise, they run Server 2oo3, if they indeed have legitimate licenses at all.
In the computer shops you'll only see Win10 OEM though, cause MS dictates it,
while the black market for cracked software of every kind is huge.

But this discussion is a bit moot, isn't it? :)

Best Regards
// Neo

On 2016-05-23 15.53, Riccardo Paolo Bestetti <riccardo.kyogre-oA6aJsjdrIk@public.gmane.org> wrote:

Il 22/05/2016 23:14, Love Nystrom ha scritto:

Server 2oo3 might not be used in big corporations anymore, but I think it's not uncommon to keep running it in small companies and home servers (due to high licensing cost of Windows server versions).
It is pretty uncommon.
I'm in contact with IT administrators from many small companies, at this point everyone has either (a) moved to Linux, (b) moved to some kind of cloud service or (c) upgraded to Server 2012.
Even my school, which struggles to repaint walls, has done (c), lol.
I don't know if it is any different in other parts of the world, but I suspect it is pretty much the same.

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Love Nystrom | 23 May 04:46 2016
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Re: 4th scenario


On 2016-05-23 04.21, "David Quintana (gigaherz)" <gigaherz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
No one is suggesting paging the kernel. Stop being paranoid about that.

Ah.. Excellent.. That's such a relief to hear :)

We are speaking about API interfaces for user apps and drivers.
Whatever that implies, will be examined on a case by case basis.  ;P

Good.. Then we are in full agreement :)

I'll sink my teeth into Timo's epic when I can.
I'm hoping there's some way we can avoid the mess SxS is causing on e.g my Win7.
(I must have 10 versions of each RTL since 2oo5 installed by SxS ,
and dito with comctl32 versions, all with these obnoxiously long names.)


On 22 May 2016 at 23:14, Love Nystrom <love.nystrom-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

Server 2oo3 might not be used in big corporations anymore,
but I think it's not uncommon to keep running it in small companies
and home servers (due to high licensing cost of Windows server versions).

Anyway.. IMO there's nothing wrong in moving towards NT6x API-wise,
as long as we're not forced to re-architect the *core* of the system
(scheduler, et c).  Paging the kernel would be a big mistake.

Best Regards
// Neo

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Love Nystrom | 23 May 00:06 2016
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Re: Ros-dev Digest, Vol 141, Issue 24


On 2016-05-23 04.21, "David Quintana (gigaherz)"
<gigaherz@...> wrote:
> I believe Riccardo referred to people developing apps for ReactOS/NT5, 
> when they can write them for NT6 instead.

I guess I belong to a dying breed ;)
I always try to keep my API usage to the least common denominator
so that people may run my programs even on legacy systems.
I wish more programmers would do the same..

Using a newer API "just because it's there", when there is
*no real need* for it, is just plain rude to users IMHO.
(F.ex. using SHGetKnownFolderPath when SHGetFolderPath would suffice.)

Best Regards
// Neo
Love Nystrom | 22 May 23:45 2016
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Re: Actually a GOOD architecture.

Oh.. I get it.. I thought you meant NT vs Unix.
I guess we may close the subject then :)

(I'm a usermode guy mostly, and I puke when I have to write for Linux,
since they don't have things like GDI, et cetera.)

Best Regards
// Neo


Il 22/05/2016 14:18, David Quintana (gigaherz) ha scritto:
I believe Riccardo referred to people developing apps for ReactOS/NT5, when they can write them for NT6 instead.
That's what I meant.

I also agree with you, Neo, that NT, even version 5, is overall a better architecture than Linux.
However, I agree with gigahertz that discussing this isn't all that useful: good != not obsolete.

Best regards,
--- Riccardo Paolo Bestetti

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Love Nystrom | 22 May 23:21 2016
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Re: ReactOS versioning

Ah.. Ok, I'll peruse it soon as I get a chance.

Best Regards
// Neo

On 2016-05-22 18.42, Timo Kreuzer <timo.kreuzer@...> wrote:
> I created an epic with a few subtasks regarding ReactOS versioning: 
> https://jira.reactos.org/browse/CORE-11288
>
> Timo
Love Nystrom | 22 May 23:14 2016
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Re: 4th scenario

Server 2oo3 might not be used in big corporations anymore,
but I think it's not uncommon to keep running it in small companies
and home servers (due to high licensing cost of Windows server versions).

Anyway.. IMO there's nothing wrong in moving towards NT6x API-wise,
as long as we're not forced to re-architect the *core* of the system
(scheduler, et c).  Paging the kernel would be a big mistake.

Best Regards
// Neo


They are not fucked up, since they legitimately don't care for the 3 people out there still using 2k3.
And we are not fucked up, we are only pushed to move to NT6+

Timo

Am 21.05.2016 um 06:12 schrieb Love Nystrom:
No, they are... Not we ;)
Same thing would happen if you try to run e.g. a Vista exe on NT4.

// Neo

On 2016-05-20 22.52, Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo <elhoir-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Pale Moon drops ReactOS support
> Date: 2016-05-20 22.51
>
> 4th scenario - App is actually "buggy" and doesnt check for any export. We´re fucked up :P

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Love Nystrom | 22 May 13:41 2016
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Actually a GOOD architecture.


On 2016-05-18 02.10,  Riccardo Paolo Bestetti <riccardo.kyogre@...> 
wrote:
> It's not like developers are gonna pick up again an old (and, 
> honestly, bad!) architecture just because it is made free, when *here 
> and now* we already have a better alternative.

Bad architecture ? Compared to Linux ? I refute that on the strongest.

F.ex: Linux lacks, even to this day, a unified graphics API like GDI 
(X-Windows notwithstanding), and window manager.
Instead they have a plethora of disparate kludges and hacks on top of 
X-Windows, all more or less cumbersome to use.
The API flora of the Windows architecture should, by rights, make Linux 
programmers green with envy ;-)
(Why do you think the WinE project was born in the first place?)

Best Regards
// Neo
Love Nystrom | 21 May 06:12 2016
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Re: 4th scenario

No, they are... Not we ;)
Same thing would happen if you try to run e.g. a Vista exe on NT4.

// Neo

On 2016-05-20 22.52, Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo
<elhoir@...> 
wrote:
 > Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Pale Moon drops ReactOS support
 > Date: 2016-05-20 22.51
 >
 > 4th scenario - App is actually "buggy" and doesnt check for any 
export. We´re fucked up :P

Gmane