David Hendricks | 1 May 01:04 2007
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Re: Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group

Hello everyone,
   It's official! On behalf of Google Inc. it is my privilege to invite all you 9fans out there to our lovely Mountain View campus for the Bay Area Plan 9 Users Group meeting. We're scheduled to start at 6:00pm and go until 10:00pm on Thursday May 10. We have a spacious conference room which will comfortably sit 20 people (more if we're willing to sit on sofas and exercise balls :-) ). We'll have an overhead projector with easily accessible video connectors on the table, a huge whiteboard and power dongles for your notebooks available. In addition to myself and possibly a few other Googlers, a security guard will be on hand to let guests in and escort them to the conference room. An AV person will be there with a camcorder so those who can't make it can catch up later (And yes, the video will be made publicly available via Google Video). I've updated the Wiki page and will post details as they come.

   Special thanks to Leslie Hawthorn and the Open Source Programs Office for their help in getting this together. Feel free to contact me directly or ask questions on the mailing list. We look forward to seeing everyone there!

David Leimbach | 1 May 01:45 2007
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Re: Re: CA Bay Area Plan9 users group

On 4/30/07, David Hendricks <david.hendricks <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>    It's official! On behalf of Google Inc. it is my privilege to invite all
> you 9fans out there to our lovely Mountain View campus for the Bay Area Plan
> 9 Users Group meeting. We're scheduled to start at 6:00pm and go until
> 10:00pm on Thursday May 10. We have a spacious conference room which will
> comfortably sit 20 people (more if we're willing to sit on sofas and
> exercise balls :-) ). We'll have an overhead projector with easily
> accessible video connectors on the table, a huge whiteboard and power
> dongles for your notebooks available. In addition to myself and possibly a
> few other Googlers, a security guard will be on hand to let guests in and
> escort them to the conference room. An AV person will be there with a
> camcorder so those who can't make it can catch up later (And yes, the video
> will be made publicly available via Google Video). I've updated the Wiki
> page and will post details as they come.
>
>    Special thanks to Leslie Hawthorn and the Open Source Programs Office for
> their help in getting this together. Feel free to contact me directly or ask
> questions on the mailing list. We look forward to seeing everyone there!

That sounds great!  I won't be there in person but I'll look for the video!

erik quanstrom | 1 May 02:22 2007

Re: speaking of kenc

> It is just an arithmetic type with width at least 1, and
> conversion rules aimed at maximizing its Boolean nature.
> 
> It is a pity that the result of relational expressions (for
> example) cannot be Boolean, for reasons of historical
> compatibility, but that's not the fault of _Bool (or plain
> "bool" as it is meant to be used via <stdbool.h>).

this is different from how c has traditionally done types.
c types mapped to what the hardware provides.  unless
you're working on a hc6508 or similar, you probablly don't
have bit-wide memory access.

it's more in the spirit of oberon, or pascal which have
had more formally defined and machine independent
types.

- erik

Skip Tavakkolian | 1 May 04:19 2007

Seattle Area Plan9 Users Group

anyone interested? perhaps someplace downtown?

Tim Wiess | 1 May 04:23 2007

Re: Seattle Area Plan9 Users Group

> anyone interested? perhaps someplace downtown?

yeah, i was going to suggest this myself.

Skip Tavakkolian | 1 May 04:35 2007

Re: Seattle Area Plan9 Users Group

>> anyone interested? perhaps someplace downtown?
> 
> yeah, i was going to suggest this myself.

i'm thinking it should be on Wednesday May 9th ☺

Tim Wiess | 1 May 04:54 2007

Re: Seattle Area Plan9 Users Group

> i'm thinking it should be on Wednesday May 9th ☺

works for me.

Paul Lalonde | 1 May 04:58 2007
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Re: Seattle Area Plan9 Users Group


Typical.  I'm in Seattle tomorrow, before the meeting, and in SF the  
14th.

But I'll host the Victoria chapter meeting of the P9UG meeting this  
saturday evening ;-)

Paul

On 30-Apr-07, at 7:54 PM, Tim Wiess wrote:

>> i'm thinking it should be on Wednesday May 9th ☺
>
> works for me.
>

Saint Sexburga | 1 May 11:33 2007
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kenc

>If you guys really care about this stuff, you should participate
>in the process, rather than sit on the sidelines and carp about
>what others have done.

Doug

I can understand your annoyance with people who casually dismiss the
enormous amount of unpaid work that people such as yourself put into
standardisation efforts, especially when they include in their number
include such flippantly cocksure know-nothings as Uriel. However,
surely you can sympathise with those of us who feel that they are
drowning in the rising tide of complexity of modern computing
"standards". C99 is the least of our worries, but even here, do you
feel that Dennis Ritchie was entirely wrong in his answer to the
question "Are you satisfied with C99?", when he said, amongst other
things:

"I was satisfied with the 1989/1990 ANSI/ISO standard. The new C99
standard is much bulkier, and though the committee has signaled that
much of their time was spent in resisting feature-suggestions, there
are still plenty of accepted ones to digest. I certainly don't desire
additional ones, and the most obvious reaction is that I wish they had
resisted more firmly" and "Of the new things, restricted pointers
probably are a help; variadic macros and bool are just adornment."

As I say, C99 is the least of our, or at least my, worries. For my
sins, I use C++ in my day job. I can vaguely manage to do this as long
as I ignore the cutting edge work in Stupid Template Tricks (aka
template meta-programming) and the "peer-reviewed" garbage at
www.boost.org - e.g. a 400 page manual for a date-time library that
still doesn't do what I want? Give me a break! But when I see the
exciting new proposals to add yet more garbage to the C++ language and
standard library, I despair. Just look at the Boost thread library,
the basis for the new C++ thread library, written by people who have
apparently never read Hoare's original paper on CSP, written as
recently as 1978, let alone looked at any decent work in concurrent
programming since then.

And in my day job, I also have to use the wonderful SOAP standard. If
you could post a short reply explining what the fuck they are talking
about at http://java.sun.com/webservices I would be really grateful.

Doug, I'm not getting at you, but do you never feel, enough is enough?

matt | 1 May 11:39 2007
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Re: Re: new termrc

you could always do

sysname=foo

in plan9.ini

you can also set other environment variables in there to use in termrc, 
termrc.local and cpurc

I have a plan9.ini menu that sets ip=10.0.0.9 or 192.168.9.9 or DHCP 
which I then use in termrc.local to choose how to use ip/ipconfig


Gmane