Re: Xen for Windows(Was:vmware 5.0)

these are good reasons and bring to mind a question.  why don't we
define a generic microkernel that all these systems can use and not
have to go to all the tricks of VM?

i now that the usual definition for a microkernel is the part that
supports all the processes that really make up the OS. but if we had a
generic microkernel then people could write device drivers for that an
all the other OSs could use that.

i'm not holding my breath on the above, so next question.  is the structure
of windows device driver environments well known enough to build a
small `container' to use off-the-shelf windows drivers on plan 9?

  Brantley

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:04:34 -0400 Brantley Coile <brantley <at> coraid.com> wrote:
> i too am both curious as to the motivations for VM and completely open

My reasons:
1) I hate mucking with partitions - too much chance of zapping something important
by mistake, and they *always* end up being the wrong size, regardless of how much
planning I do... With a VM, the filesystems can be in normal files, which doesn't

tcs bug

well, somebody's got to do it. 

i guess i didn't think of using bio, having never had access before
p9p.

thanks, russ.

erik

Re: Xen for Windows(Was:vmware 5.0)

> these are good reasons and bring to mind a question.  why don't we
> define a generic microkernel that all these systems can use and not
> have to go to all the tricks of VM?

Mach?  OSKit?  Xen?

>  Brantley

Tim Newsham
http://www.lava.net/~newsham/

ndis-ulator for plan 9

McLone wrote:

> But not only this - i am unable to write drivers for some hardware
> because of closed specifications (nVidia, various WiFi, Adaptecs etc).

speaking of this:

if anybody wanted to port the bsd ndis-ulator to plan 9, or use it as a 
model for a Plan 9 driver, it would be a HUGE service, and would get us 
tons of drivers.

ron

Re: ndis-ulator for plan 9

Ron,
I'm going to regret this, but I'm gonna trust that you're right and go 
take a look at it
(unless someone else steps up to the plate/wicket).

I'm not going to even announce it, let alone discuss it,
I'm going to take a look at how much work is involved and either start 
doing it or not.

If I even mention I'm doing it, there will be a flood of "windoze 
sukz", "is it GPLed?"
and "driver X won't work so it ain't worth doing" messages to distract 
me.

Do you happen to know anything about the beast to get me started?

Cheers,
     Dave.

On 1 Sep 2005, at 04:59, Ronald G Minnich wrote:

> McLone wrote:
>
>> But not only this - i am unable to write drivers for some hardware
>> because of closed specifications (nVidia, various WiFi, Adaptecs etc).
>
> speaking of this:
>
> if anybody wanted to port the bsd ndis-ulator to plan 9, or use it as 
> a model for a Plan 9 driver, it would be a HUGE service, and would get 

Re: ndis-ulator for plan 9

On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 08:31:49AM +0100, Dave Lukes wrote:
> Ron,
> I'm going to regret this, but I'm gonna trust that you're right and go 
> take a look at it
> (unless someone else steps up to the plate/wicket).
> 
> I'm not going to even announce it, let alone discuss it,
> I'm going to take a look at how much work is involved and either start 
> doing it or not.
> 
> If I even mention I'm doing it, there will be a flood of "windoze 
> sukz", "is it GPLed?"
> and "driver X won't work so it ain't worth doing" messages to distract 
> me.
> 
> Do you happen to know anything about the beast to get me started?
> 
> Cheers,
>     Dave.

Yes. Both Linux and Solaris have used Bill Paul's FreeBSD
work to get `Project Evil' running in these operating systems.
Take a look around at:

/sys/dev/if_ndis/*
/sys/compat/ndis/*
/usr/src/usr.sbin/ndiscvt/*

in the FreeBSD source repository for more info :)

Re: ndis-ulator for plan 9

there was a thread sometime ago regarding "caged drivers"
and Dave Presotto had some thoughts on it.

On 9/1/05, Devon H. O'Dell <dodell <at> offmyserver.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 08:31:49AM +0100, Dave Lukes wrote:
> > Ron,
> > I'm going to regret this, but I'm gonna trust that you're right and go
> > take a look at it
> > (unless someone else steps up to the plate/wicket).
> >
> > I'm not going to even announce it, let alone discuss it,
> > I'm going to take a look at how much work is involved and either start
> > doing it or not.
> >
> > If I even mention I'm doing it, there will be a flood of "windoze
> > sukz", "is it GPLed?"
> > and "driver X won't work so it ain't worth doing" messages to distract
> > me.
> >
> > Do you happen to know anything about the beast to get me started?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >     Dave.
> 
> Yes. Both Linux and Solaris have used Bill Paul's FreeBSD
> work to get `Project Evil' running in these operating systems.
> Take a look around at:
> 
> /sys/dev/if_ndis/*
> /sys/compat/ndis/*

acme core

russ, sorry i didn't see your reply until
just now and since that was in a source directory,
i think "make clean" reaped it.

erik

Re: ndis-ulator for plan 9

Dave Lukes wrote:

> Do you happen to know anything about the beast to get me started?
> 

no, I only know that both linux and freebsd, at least, support windoze 
drivers in the kernel. This has been useful for wireless cards.

ron

Re: ndis-ulator for plan 9

On 9/1/05, Ronald G Minnich <rminnich <at> lanl.gov> wrote:
> This has been useful for wireless cards.
aren't Theo's campaign for open specs is more wise move?

AFAIK, NDISulator is tied very closely with FreeBSD 5 kernel.
Porting it = alot of work, that's for sure. But it is useable.
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