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Ole Guldberg Jensen | 1 Mar 07:53

Re: Stepping up to the portmgr challenge!


On Feb 28, 2005, at 11:26 PM, Rob Braun wrote:
> What I do have a problem with is making the rules
> without input or discussion, claiming they will not change, and then
> violating them when it suits your purposes.
>

I sorry you feel this way - I don't really think its true.

> I would also like to point out that Ole:
> - is on current portmgr

Yes.

> - has either made all the rules for the election or is at the very 
> least
> portmgr's mouthpiece for the election (there is no way for non-portmgr
> to differentiate)

I read the list, and try to listen to what is being said, by you and 
everyone else.

> - has been officiating over this election and as such is the sole 
> person
> responsible for enforcement of the rules he and/or portmgr has made.

I have announced it, and played a role in all this mess. But far from 
the sole person responsible.

> - is a candidate in the election he is running
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Kevin Van Vechten | 1 Mar 10:01

Re: Stepping up to the portmgr challenge!

I don't want to see another post questioning Rob's motives or impugning 
his character, I've seen far too many already.  Rob's question was 
entirely in-line with his official duties at OpenDarwin.  I think we 
all need to take a step back and remind ourselves of what Rob has 
contributed to this project.  I don't care how many Portfiles he's 
written, or how many lines of Tcl base, Rob has contributed more time 
and effort to sustaining OpenDarwin than anyone.  And after all, 
OpenDarwin is what DarwinPorts calls home.  Rob kept the dream alive, 
and continues to do so.  Today on IRC Rob was asked why he cares, as if 
he needed to defend his involvement in the project.  I was appalled.  I 
really don't know anyone else who cares so fundamentally deeply about 
the success of this project and OpenDarwin as a whole.  Maybe his 
concerns aren't always expressed in rosy optimism, maybe they're 
sometimes expressed in bleak pragmatism, but perhaps that's exactly 
what we need.

- Kevin
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Jordan Hubbard | 1 Mar 11:04

Re: Stepping up to the portmgr challenge!

Kevin,

I commend you for sticking up for Rob and what you think is right, I 
really do, but I think you go just a little too far in your defense 
here.  Perhaps I'm reading too much into your first sentence, but read 
literally it sounds almost totalitarian.

This is an open source project that Rob and everyone else is a part of 
and, whether or not you or anyone else likes the fact, disagreements 
will be public and sometimes even personal in nature.  Having a thick 
skin and the ability to handle disagreement with one's most cherished 
views are simply prerequisites to having any longevity at all in such 
an environment and if you are at all inclined to doubt me here, simply 
go try hanging out as a Linux, *BSD or GNOME/KDE/whatever developer for 
awhile.  You'll quickly find that those environments can be, if 
anything,  even more hostile than this one on any number of occasions 
and getting that factor somehow subtracted out of such human 
interaction is about as practical as wishing for World Peace.  Ain't 
gonna happen anytime soon.

I take special pains to make this point because I think a lot of the 
reason we're having such prolonged difficulty during this period is due 
in large part to the fact that most opendarwin developers are 
comparatively new to the "free-form collaborative development" model 
opendarwin and all other open source projects have.  This assertion is 
proven empirically each and every time somebody *freaks out* here in 
email or IRC on what would otherwise be be considered minor points of 
disagreement in any other project and quickly gotten past.

So I and other people have questioned Rob's motives (not sure where his
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Ian Eiloart | 1 Mar 11:32
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Re: Stepping up to the portmgr challenge!


--On March 1, 2005 01:01:42 -0800 Kevin Van Vechten <kevin <at> opendarwin.org> 
wrote:

> Rob kept the dream alive, and continues to do so.  Today on IRC
> Rob was
> asked why he cares, as if he needed to defend his involvement in the
> project.  I was appalled.  I really don't know anyone else who cares
> so fundamentally deeply about the success of this project and > 
OpenDarwin as a whole.

Really? On 17 Feb, Rob said this:

<quote>
But, since this email is more about me than darwinports, we'll
move on to my interest in living and dying.  You are again correct
that I have little interest in whether darwinports lives or dies.
</quote>

Since reading that, I've always wondered why he even bothered reading the 
list. If he answered that question with something reasonable - like that 
the project impacts on his life in some way - then I'd give his posts some 
credence. However, at this point he hasn't done that, so I don't.

I really hope that there are people on the project who care about 
darwinports a lot more than that paragraph would suggest.

--

-- 
Ian Eiloart
Servers Team
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Keith J. Schultz | 1 Mar 13:15
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Re: Stepping up to the portmgr challenge!

Hi Everbody,

	I have not followed this, but from what I have read so
	far all I can say is: Geeee Wiszzzzzzzzz!

	As I see it the people picking on Rob have a ego
	problem.

	Robs ego is quite normal. Why should he care if
	darwinports lives or dies! I use it, but do not care!
	If it is not there I will find something else.

	Rob does what he can and states what he find correct.
	Just like what everybody else does.

	darwinports is a group project and lies and dies
	with the groups ability to work together as a
	whole. You do not need to like what the others	
	are doing, but you need to work together and not
	try to hackle someone out of the project for
	his views and action with which you disagree.

	I have seen enough projects go down the drain
	by such members!!

	So as somebody has said in this thread already
	lets get to code hacking.

		Keith.
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Ian Eiloart | 1 Mar 13:36
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Re: Stepping up to the portmgr challenge!


--On March 1, 2005 13:15:43 +0100 "Keith J.Schultz" <schultzk <at> uni-trier.de> 
wrote:

> 	Robs ego is quite normal. Why should he care if
> 	darwinports lives or dies!

No reason why he should care - but his "contributions" might be more useful 
if he did. I just don't understand why he spends so much effort on a 
project he claims he doesn't care about.

> I use it, but do not care!
> 	If it is not there I will find something else.
>
> 	Rob does what he can and states what he find correct.
> 	Just like what everybody else does.
>

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-- 
Ian Eiloart
Servers Team
Sussex University ITS
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Dan Villiom Podlaski Christiansen | 1 Mar 16:18

Re: How to make a change in source code take effect?

Hazael Maldonado Torres wrote:

> I am wondering how is the best way to recompile/rebuild/reinstall a 
> package after I make a change in the source code. I have already 
> installed glib 2.6 and I found an error. I corrected it at 
> dports/devel/glib2/work/glib-2.6.0/glib/goption.c file, know I want to 
> recompile this package and install it. How can I do this in the 
> easiest way? 

The easiest way is to extract your change to a patch, and edit the 
portfile as specified in the guide[1]. Other than that, I'd suggest you 
update your ports tree - the glib2 port is at version 2.6.2 now.

- Dan

[1] http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/docs/ch05s07.html
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Kevin Van Vechten | 1 Mar 18:29

Re: Stepping up to the portmgr challenge!

There's absolutely nothing totalitarian about it.  I don't want to see 
this line of questioning continue.  If it does, it doesn't mean I'll be 
going around putting tape over people's mouths, it means I'll be 
unsubscribing myself from the list.

Still I'm amazed how some on this list are treating someone who has 
invested so much time in the infrastructure that they're so willing to 
take advantage of.

- Kevin

On Mar 1, 2005, at 2:04 AM, Jordan Hubbard wrote:

> I commend you for sticking up for Rob and what you think is right, I 
> really do, but I think you go just a little too far in your defense 
> here.  Perhaps I'm reading too much into your first sentence, but read 
> literally it sounds almost totalitarian.
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Anthony M. Agelastos | 2 Mar 06:48
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pnmtotiff & missing libnetpbm.dylib

Hello everyone,

I have the pnmtotiff utility installed from who knows what (I assume 
netpbm) and it is not working for me; here is the error I get when I 
use it on a pnm file that was newly created from sane (I should also 
note that ImageMagick had no problems with this file and converting it 
to TIFF, so the file itself is fine):

dyld: pnmtotiff can't open library: /opt/local/lib/libnetpbm.dylib  (No 
such file or directory, errno = 2)
Trace/BPT trap

My system and DP are fully up-to-date. I even reinstalled netpbm and it 
did not fix the issue (when upgrading, I was sure to do the sudo port 
clean --all netpbm). In case it helps, below is what I have installed. 
Thanks again for your help.

   anacron 2.3_2 (active)
   aquaterm 1.0.b2_0 (active)
   auctex 11.54_0 (active)
   bitchx 1.1_0 (active)
   bzip2 1.0.2_4 (active)
   cdrdao 1.1.9_0 (active)
   cdrtools 2.01_0 (active)
   clamav 0.83_0 (active)
   DarwinPortsStartup 1.0_1 (active)
   dejagnu 1.4.4_0 (active)
   emacs 21.3.50_0+carbon (active)
   fftw-3 3.0.1-fma_2 (active)
   fortune 4.6.2-RELEASE_3 (active)
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Andre Stechert | 2 Mar 07:56

log4cpp,gsoap,xmlwrapp,spread

Hi,

First of all, excuse me for being a noob.  I'm very familiar with Linux 
and a big fan of Gentoo/Portage, but DarwinPorts is so far ahead on the 
Mac it was the only sane choice, but one with which I am utterly 
unfamiliar.

I'm in the process of building Portfiles for log4cpp, gsoap, xmlwrapp, 
and spread and I'd like to make sure I'm doing things right before 
submitting tickets to Bugzilla.

The Portfiles for log4cpp and gsoap were pretty straightforward to 
build.  Only two minor questions on log4cpp:

(1) log4cpp can be built with dependencies to doxygen (which then links 
to graphviz, etc.).  All this is does is generate docs locally.  This 
seems like a lot of extra dependency for a minor benefit, so I disabled 
the option in the Portfile.  Is this within the norm for DarwinPorts?

(2) log4cpp feels like it goes in "devel".  Does that sound right?

The Portfile for xmlwrapp is a little trickier.  In particular, the 
package uses a configure.pl script that generates Makefiles for the 
build phase.  I haven't been able to find a way to override the use of 
automake/autoconf/configure between the extract phase and the build 
phase.  Any suggestions on how to approach this problem?

spread may be a lost cause because it requires registration to download 
the source.  Is there a usual way to handle this or is it the right 
time to punt?
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